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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 5, 2019 21:05:22 GMT
1st, that's for a jury to decide, not a tyrant like Steve Rogers to decide. 2nd, NO, "I was brainwashed" isn't a valid defense. Just ask Patty Hearst. Oh wait, you' re probably too young to remember Patty Hearst. That's the law. Bucky was mind-controlled which means he had no agency.
No, that's not the law. There's no law that says if someone commits a murder and claims they were brainwashed, then they shouldn't be charged with murder. What the law allows is if someone commits a murder, they're charged with murder, and they can present mitigating factors (such as "I was temporary insane" or "I was brainwashed") as a defense, but they would have to present expert witnesses to testify to that and it would be the jury who decides if it's true or false. No expert testimony was ever given that Bucky was brainwashed. Because Steve Rogers refused to allow Bucky to be tried in court by a jury of the people. Because Steve Rogers is a tyrant who believes that super-powered "heroes" shouldn't be judged by the people and shouldn't have to answer to the people.
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Post by poutinep on Jul 5, 2019 21:09:40 GMT
That's the law. Bucky was mind-controlled which means he had no agency.
No, that's not the law. There's no law that says if someone commits a murder and claims they were brainwashed, then they shouldn't be charged with murder. What the law allows is if someone commits a murder, they're charged with murder, and they can present mitigating factors (such as "I was temporary insane" or "I was brainwashed") as a defense, but they would have to present expert witnesses to testify to that and it would be the jury who decides if it's true or false. No expert testimony was ever given that Bucky was brainwashed. Because Steve Rogers refused to allow Bucky to be tried in court by a jury of the people. Because Steve Rogers is a tyrant who believes that super-powered "heroes" shouldn't be judged by the people and shouldn't have to answer to the people. Mind-control isn't real, dumb-dumb. Bucky would not be convicted, Alexander Pierce would be.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 5, 2019 21:11:19 GMT
No, that's not the law. There's no law that says if someone commits a murder and claims they were brainwashed, then they shouldn't be charged with murder. What the law allows is if someone commits a murder, they're charged with murder, and they can present mitigating factors (such as "I was temporary insane" or "I was brainwashed") as a defense, but they would have to present expert witnesses to testify to that and it would be the jury who decides if it's true or false. No expert testimony was ever given that Bucky was brainwashed. Because Steve Rogers refused to allow Bucky to be tried in court by a jury of the people. Because Steve Rogers is a tyrant who believes that super-powered "heroes" shouldn't be judged by the people and shouldn't have to answer to the people. Mind-control isn't real, dumb-dumb. Bucky would not be convicted, Alexander Pierce would be. If Bucky wouldn't have been convicted, then Steve should've allowed Bucky to be tried for his crimes by a jury of the people. But Steve refused to allow Bucky to be tried in court by a jury of the people. Because Steve Rogers is a tyrant who believes that super-powered "heroes" shouldn't be judged by the people and shouldn't have to answer to the people.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 5, 2019 21:13:23 GMT
LOL Tony literally said "I don't care. He killed my mom." and was trying to kill Bucky. So Steve was right. Because Tony was told unceremoniously by video when Bucky was in the immediate vicinity and Tony probably hadn’t slept for days. Also Tony wasn’t even aware that his parents were murdered let alone by Bucky. If Tony was told, by a friend within more genteel environment, which is what a friend with integrity would do ASAP, then Tony wouldn’t have found himself in the situation at the abandoned Siberian base. He could have processed it in time and I myself don’t believe that Tony would have murdered Bucky in response. You’re wrong about this. Cap IS an asshole. Agreed. poutinep just got owned!
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Post by poutinep on Jul 5, 2019 21:14:00 GMT
Mind-control isn't real, dumb-dumb. Bucky would not be convicted, Alexander Pierce would be. If Bucky wouldn't have been convicted, then Steve should've allowed Bucky to be tried for his crimes by a jury of the people. Given HYDRA's infiltration of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the government, letting Bucky stand trial would be a stupid, unnecessary risk.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jul 5, 2019 21:20:40 GMT
Of the two of us here, you're the troll, not me.
WRONG AGAIN!!! You're definitely the troll here. This coming from the biggest troll on the site? Honestly, the site would be a he'll of a lot better if you and Power Ranger would simply just go away.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2019 21:22:10 GMT
Steve Rogers only had enough information (via Zola in Winter Soldier) to convince himself that Hydra was responsible for the death of Tony Stark's parents. In that regard, he "knew" in his heart that they had been murdered.
He did not have enough information to reveal his suspicions to Tony Stark. Without conclusive evidence, what would be the point?
When Stark asked him if he knew, after seeing the video evidence, he answered honestly. He did not know that Bucky was involved in the murders. When Stark asked again, Rogers realized that this was not the time or place for a long drawn out self-serving explanation ... and after seeing the evidence, perhaps he should have known that the Winter Soldier would have been the Hydra agent involved. Once again he answered honesty. Yes.
If Steve Rogers was dishonest, he would have saved himself some grief and said, no. He didn't.
Thread destroyed. You're welcome!
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 5, 2019 21:28:25 GMT
Steve Rogers only had enough information (via Zola in Winter Soldier) to convince himself that Hydra was responsible for the death of Tony Stark's parents. In that regard, he "knew" in his heart that they had been murdered. He did not have enough information to reveal his suspicions to Tony Stark. Without conclusive evidence, what would be the point? When Stark asked him if he knew, after seeing the video evidence, he answered honestly. He did not know that Bucky was involved in the murders. When Stark asked again, Rogers realized that this was not the time or place for a long drawn out self-serving explanation ... and after seeing the evidence, perhaps he should have known that the Winter Soldier would have been the Hydra agent involved. Once again he answered honesty. Yes. If Steve Rogers was dishonest, he would have saved himself some grief and said, no. He didn't. Thread destroyed. You're welcome! Cap knew that they were murdered. Even IF he only suspected, he should have told Tony. Again, imagine if you were Tony. Only an untrustworthy person would condone Cap’s behaviour. |
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Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2019 21:34:19 GMT
Of the two of us here, you're the troll, not me.
WRONG AGAIN!!! You're definitely the troll here. Even the mods think DC-Fan is a troll. LOL!
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Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2019 21:42:25 GMT
Steve Rogers only had enough information (via Zola in Winter Soldier) to convince himself that Hydra was responsible for the death of Tony Stark's parents. In that regard, he "knew" in his heart that they had been murdered. He did not have enough information to reveal his suspicions to Tony Stark. Without conclusive evidence, what would be the point? When Stark asked him if he knew, after seeing the video evidence, he answered honestly. He did not know that Bucky was involved in the murders. When Stark asked again, Rogers realized that this was not the time or place for a long drawn out self-serving explanation ... and after seeing the evidence, perhaps he should have known that the Winter Soldier would have been the Hydra agent involved. Once again he answered honesty. Yes. If Steve Rogers was dishonest, he would have saved himself some grief and said, no. He didn't. Thread destroyed. You're welcome! Cap knew that they were murdered. There is nothing in the movies to indicate that Rogers "knew" with enough certainty to tell Stark about his suspicions. You don't tell someone that their parents were killed via a conspiracy unless you've got rock solid proof of it. Only an asshole would do something like that. Are you an asshole?
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 5, 2019 21:47:44 GMT
Cap knew that they were murdered. There is nothing in the movies to indicate that Rogers "knew" with enough certainty to tell Stark about his suspicions. You don't tell someone that their parents were killed via a conspiracy unless you've got rock solid proof of it. Only an asshole would do something like that. Are you an asshole? Cap should tell Tony what he knows and how he knows. Tony isn’t stupid. Let him judge for himself. Or be an asshole. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2019 21:51:49 GMT
OP is so obviously butthurt about this topic that he's probably unable to walk straight.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2019 0:43:17 GMT
Cap knew that they were murdered. There is nothing in the movies to indicate that Rogers "knew" with enough certainty to tell Stark about his suspicions. Other than the fact that Rogers said "Yes" when Stark asked him point blank "Did you know?". It's just hypocrisy when MCU fans say "Well, Banner said this about time travel so we should believe it's true" but then say "Well, even though Rogers admitted to Stark that he knew Bucky murdered Stark's parents, we shouldn't believe it's true". Also, it's pretty suspicious how poutinep was getting owned in this thread and suddenly King Kong Brady comes to poutinep's defense, confirming once again that poutinep and King Kong Brady are the same user with multiple sock accounts. Did you forget which account you were posting under? LOL!!!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2019 0:47:37 GMT
WRONG AGAIN!!! You're definitely the troll here. This coming from the biggest troll on the site? Honestly, the site would be a he'll of a lot better if you and Power Ranger would simply just go away. So you're against people having dissenting opinions and you want this site to be just an MCU fan site only with censorship against any critical or dissenting opinions.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 6, 2019 0:48:10 GMT
There is nothing in the movies to indicate that Rogers "knew" with enough certainty to tell Stark about his suspicions. Other than the fact that Rogers said "Yes" when Stark asked him point blank "Did you know?". It's just hypocrisy when MCU fans say "Well, Banner said this about time travel so we should believe it's true" but then say "Well, even though Rogers admitted to Stark that he knew Bucky murdered Stark's parents, we shouldn't believe it's true". Also, it's pretty suspicious how poutinep was getting owned in this thread and suddenly King Kong Brady comes to poutinep's defense, confirming once again that poutinep and King Kong Brady are the same user with multiple sock accounts. Did you forget which account you were posting under? LOL!!! Cap never said he knew that it was Bucky who killed Stark's parents. You'd know this if you watched the movie. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2019 0:55:44 GMT
Other than the fact that Rogers said "Yes" when Stark asked him point blank "Did you know?". It's just hypocrisy when MCU fans say "Well, Banner said this about time travel so we should believe it's true" but then say "Well, even though Rogers admitted to Stark that he knew Bucky murdered Stark's parents, we shouldn't believe it's true". Also, it's pretty suspicious how poutinep was getting owned in this thread and suddenly King Kong Brady comes to poutinep's defense, confirming once again that poutinep and King Kong Brady are the same user with multiple sock accounts. Did you forget which account you were posting under? LOL!!! Cap never said he knew that it was Bucky who killed Stark's parents. You'd know this if you watched the movie. Stark (after watching video of Bucky murdering his parents) to Rogers: "Don't bullshit me! Did you knw?" Rogers: "Yes". What part of "Yes" do you not understand? Rogers admitted that he knew Stark's parents were murdered. Yet he didn't think it was necessary to tell Stark that he knew his parents were murdered? And like I said, it's just hypocrisy when MCU fans say "Well, Banner said this about time travel so we should believe it's true" but then say "Well, even though Rogers admitted to Stark that he knew Stark's parents were murdered, we shouldn't believe it's true".
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 6, 2019 1:13:23 GMT
Cap never said he knew that it was Bucky who killed Stark's parents. You'd know this if you watched the movie. Stark (after watching video of Bucky murdering his parents) to Rogers: "Don't bullshit me! Did you knw?" Rogers: "Yes". What part of "Yes" do you not understand? Rogers admitted that he knew Stark's parents were murdered. Yet he didn't think it was necessary to tell Stark that he knew his parents were murdered? And like I said, it's just hypocrisy when MCU fans say "Well, Banner said this about time travel so we should believe it's true" but then say "Well, even though Rogers admitted to Stark that he knew Stark's parents were murdered, we shouldn't believe it's true". After said exchange, Cap then says, "I did not know it was him." You really should watch these movies first before commenting about them you know. So like I said, Cap never said he knew it was Bucky who killed the Starks... something that you were claiming. DC-Fan just got owned! |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2019 1:15:50 GMT
Stark (after watching video of Bucky murdering his parents) to Rogers: "Don't bullshit me! Did you knw?" Rogers: "Yes". What part of "Yes" do you not understand? Rogers admitted that he knew Stark's parents were murdered. Yet he didn't think it was necessary to tell Stark that he knew his parents were murdered? And like I said, it's just hypocrisy when MCU fans say "Well, Banner said this about time travel so we should believe it's true" but then say "Well, even though Rogers admitted to Stark that he knew Stark's parents were murdered, we shouldn't believe it's true". After said exchange, Cap then says, "I did not know it was him." You really should watch these movies first before commenting about them you know. And then Stark said "Don't bullshit me! Did you know?" and Rogers said "Yes". What part of "Yes" do you not understand?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 6, 2019 1:35:45 GMT
After said exchange, Cap then says, "I did not know it was him." You really should watch these movies first before commenting about them you know. And then Stark said "Don't bullshit me! Did you know?" and Rogers said "Yes". What part of "Yes" do you not understand? And Cap admitted he knew Starks parents were killed. But he clarified that he didn't know it was Bucky who did it. Which means you still lied. DC-Fan just got owned! |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2019 1:53:44 GMT
And then Stark said "Don't bullshit me! Did you know?" and Rogers said "Yes". What part of "Yes" do you not understand? And Cap admitted he knew Starks parents were killed. Power Ranger is 100% correct. Rogers is an asshole.
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