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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jul 8, 2019 20:35:24 GMT
No, MCU Spider-Man is nothing like the comic book Spider-Man. 1st, in the comics, Peter's motivation for being a hero is because he learned from letting the thief who killed Uncle Ben get away that "with great power comes great responsibility". MCU Peter hasn't learned that all at. MCU Peter's entire motivation for being a "hero" is just to show off and not because of any "great responsibility". Peter is told a fire monster is going to attack Prague, but Peter doesn't give a shit about going to Prague to help save people and only wants to go to Paris so he can give Michelle aka Mary Jane the dahlia. Also, when Peter is given a powerful new toy, EDITH, Peter once again demonstrates that he doesn't give a shit about "great responsibility" by using EDITH in the most irresponsible way he could think of - to order a killer drone to attack a fellow classmate just so he could eliminate his competition for a girl. 2nd, in the comics, Peter works as a free-lance photographer for J. Jonah Jameson and the Daily Bugle. So how is MCU Peter Parker ever going to get hired by J. Jonah Jameson now that Jameson knows Peter is Spider-Man? DC-Fan , your post contains spoilers for Spider Man: Far From Home, please be courteous to other users who have not seen the film yet. He's lucky I've seen the movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 9, 2019 0:33:35 GMT
I see DC-Fan is getting owned again,
*Grabs popcorn*
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 9, 2019 19:51:02 GMT
Spidey 1 Spidey 2 ASM1 ASM2 Spidey 3 Homecoming Far from home
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 9, 2019 21:46:09 GMT
Spidey 1 Spidey 2 ASM1 ASM2 Spidey 3 Homecoming Far from home Um, why did you see Far From Home when you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies? Boggles the mind...Truly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 21:54:28 GMT
No one breaks with the idea that Spider-Man 2 is the perfect Spider-Man film even though Otto Octavius, as presented, isn't very much like his comic book counterpart. Interesting... Interesting? Not really. It's a god damn amazing film. A classic in every sense.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 9, 2019 23:36:12 GMT
Spidey 1 Spidey 2 ASM1 ASM2 Spidey 3 Homecoming Far from home Um, why did you see Far From Home when you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies? Boggles the mind...Truly. This is quite the conundrum. Our mutual friend is either lying about seeing Far From Home and, simply put it at the bottom of his list out of spite or, he did see it, despite being a vocal opponent of the MCU's Spider-Man. He's either trying to fool himself or us and, it is difficult to tell which is more pitiful.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 9, 2019 23:41:05 GMT
No one breaks with the idea that Spider-Man 2 is the perfect Spider-Man film even though Otto Octavius, as presented, isn't very much like his comic book counterpart. Interesting... Interesting? Not really. It's a god damn amazing film. A classic in every sense. It was interesting enough to garner a reply so, there's that. It's a classic alright - of the somewhat musty variety. You say calamari and I say Mata Hari.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 4:25:36 GMT
Interesting? Not really. It's a god damn amazing film. A classic in every sense. It was interesting enough to garner a reply so, there's that. It's a classic alright - of the somewhat musty variety. You say calamari and I say Mata Hari. If "Doc Ock isn't exactly like he is in the comics (even though he mostly is)" is your worst complaint then I'd say that's high praise. I can say the same thing about 90% of all on screen comic book movie villains. And that absolutely includes Vulture. A Vulture that isn't bald?! Well, I never!
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 10, 2019 10:19:07 GMT
Spidey 1 Spidey 2 ASM1 ASM2 Spidey 3 Homecoming Far from home Um, why did you see Far From Home when you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies? Boggles the mind...Truly. I feel obligated to tell the public its a bad movie. I didnt lose anything tho
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 10, 2019 14:21:53 GMT
It was interesting enough to garner a reply so, there's that. It's a classic alright - of the somewhat musty variety. You say calamari and I say Mata Hari. If "Doc Ock isn't exactly like he is in the comics (even though he mostly is)" is your worst complaint then I'd say that's high praise. I can say the same thing about 90% of all on screen comic book movie villains. And that absolutely includes Vulture. A Vulture that isn't bald?! Well, I never! I'm not saying the MCU characters are exactly like their comic book counterparts. I'm saying that the Raimi film villains are not exactly like their comic book counterparts (including Doc Ock) but, everyone feels those films are untouchable classics.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 10, 2019 15:29:03 GMT
Um, why did you see Far From Home when you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies? Boggles the mind...Truly. I feel obligated to tell the public its a bad movie. I didnt lose anything tho You didn't really answer my question - if you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies what were you doing seeing Far From Home? "I feel obligated to tell the public its a bad movie" well it looks like said public isn't interested in what you think and are going to see the movie anyway, and based on scores and box office they seem to think quite differently than you do about it. And from "I didn't lose anything tho" are you implying that someone else paid for your ticket or that you watched it by other means(sneaking in, bootleg copy, etc.)? Either way, you're a hypocrite because you say you hate most things Marvel Studios yet here you were seeing another one, and don't act like there aren't other movies to see this summer season.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 10, 2019 16:33:56 GMT
I feel obligated to tell the public its a bad movie. I didnt lose anything tho You didn't really answer my question - if you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies what were you doing seeing Far From Home? " I feel obligated to tell the public its a bad movie" well it looks like said public isn't interested in what you think and are going to see the movie anyway, and based on scores and box office they seem to think quite differently than you do about it. And from "I didn't lose anything tho" are you implying that someone else paid for your ticket or that you watched it by other means(sneaking in, bootleg copy, etc.)? Either way, you're a hypocrite because you say you hate most things Marvel Studios yet here you were seeing another one, and don't act like there aren't other movies to see this summer season. That's an interesting pastime and, when I say interesting, I mean as in totally pathetic. I wonder if our mutual friend also feels obligated to go to bad restaurants, eat their bad food and then notify the public? He lost nothing other than the ticket price, the time spent watching the bad movie, and the hours it likely took him to generate his weak one-liner review. His most significant loss, of course, was his dignity when you annihilated his stupid justification. I feel obligated to let the public know that you wrecked him - well done.
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Post by bud47 on Jul 10, 2019 17:10:46 GMT
You didn't really answer my question - if you didn't like Homecoming and the majority of Marvel Cinematic Universe movies what were you doing seeing Far From Home? " I feel obligated to tell the public its a bad movie" well it looks like said public isn't interested in what you think and are going to see the movie anyway, and based on scores and box office they seem to think quite differently than you do about it. And from "I didn't lose anything tho" are you implying that someone else paid for your ticket or that you watched it by other means(sneaking in, bootleg copy, etc.)? Either way, you're a hypocrite because you say you hate most things Marvel Studios yet here you were seeing another one, and don't act like there aren't other movies to see this summer season. That's an interesting pastime and, when I say interesting, I mean as in totally pathetic. I wonder if our mutual friend also feels obligated to go to bad restaurants, eat their bad food and then notify the public? He lost nothing other than the ticket price, the time spent watching the bad movie, and the hours it likely took him to generate his weak one-liner review. His most significant loss, of course, was his dignity when you annihilated his stupid justification. I feel obligated to let the public know that you wrecked him - well done. Sounds like we have another Charzhino on our hands here. Someone that feels obligated to see these movies, no matter how much they hate them, out of some obligation to the overall genre. Then they can come here and complain and be part of the conversation, while hoping that their voice can somehow affect change in the overall public opinion about the film.
In the end though, the only real result is that the movie they hated seeing so much ended up stealing their money and their time and causing nothing but frustration. Way to fight the power I guess.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 10, 2019 18:00:43 GMT
1. Spider-Man 2 2. Spider-Man 3. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse 4. Spider-Man: Far From Home 5. Spider-Man: Homecoming 6. The Amazing Spider-Man 7. Spider-Man 3 8. The Amazing Spider-Man 2
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 10, 2019 18:03:59 GMT
That's an interesting pastime and, when I say interesting, I mean as in totally pathetic. I wonder if our mutual friend also feels obligated to go to bad restaurants, eat their bad food and then notify the public? He lost nothing other than the ticket price, the time spent watching the bad movie, and the hours it likely took him to generate his weak one-liner review. His most significant loss, of course, was his dignity when you annihilated his stupid justification. I feel obligated to let the public know that you wrecked him - well done. Sounds like we have another Charzhino on our hands here. Someone that feels obligated to see these movies, no matter how much they hate them, out of some obligation to the overall genre. Then they can come here and complain and be part of the conversation, while hoping that their voice can somehow affect change in the overall public opinion about the film.
In the end though, the only real result is that the movie they hated seeing so much ended up stealing their money and their time and causing nothing but frustration. Way to fight the power I guess.
But it's not about some overall obligation to the integrity of the genre. This is about spite and pettiness. If you had a legitimate compulsion to evaluate these movies and, engage in open and respectful discourse, you'd probably seek formal education and a more widely assessable platform to disseminate your ideas. This isn't about that, this is about needling members of another fandom you don't like just because you have the time and the requisite sense of self-entitlement needed to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 18:10:49 GMT
If "Doc Ock isn't exactly like he is in the comics (even though he mostly is)" is your worst complaint then I'd say that's high praise. I can say the same thing about 90% of all on screen comic book movie villains. And that absolutely includes Vulture. A Vulture that isn't bald?! Well, I never! I'm not saying the MCU characters are exactly like their comic book counterparts. I'm saying that the Raimi film villains are not exactly like their comic book counterparts (including Doc Ock) but, everyone feels those films are untouchable classics. Then I'm not quite sure I see your point. Many people, myself included, feel that MCU films like Avengers and Civil War are also untouchable classics. Superman (78) and Batman Begins and TDK are also untouchable classics in my book. It's not about being anti-MCU, or any film being perfectly or imperfectly adapted from the source material. Spiderman 2 is faithful to the characters in more ways then it's not. And no one can say that the new Holland films are more faithful to their villains, because they certainly aren't.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 10, 2019 18:43:52 GMT
I'm not saying the MCU characters are exactly like their comic book counterparts. I'm saying that the Raimi film villains are not exactly like their comic book counterparts (including Doc Ock) but, everyone feels those films are untouchable classics. Then I'm not quite sure I see your point. Many people, myself included, feel that MCU films like Avengers and Civil War are also untouchable classics. Superman (78) and Batman Begins and TDK are also untouchable classics in my book. It's not about being anti-MCU, or any film being perfectly or imperfectly adapted from the source material. Spiderman 2 is faithful to the characters in more ways then it's not. And no one can say that the new Holland films are more faithful to their villains, because they certainly aren't. My point, to be clear is, I think Spider-Man 2 is way overdue for serious re-evaluation within the modern context instead of being taken as an unimpeachable classic by default. This isn't about Raimi vs. MCU films. It's about challenging assumptions that have gone unchallenged for quite some time. Spider-Man 2 sits at the top of the list of Spider-Man films because no subsequent movie has come along to dethrone it, not because it is beyond reproach (which it isn't). These are two separate but admittedly closely related concepts.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 10, 2019 19:11:32 GMT
1. Spider-Man 2 2. Spider-Man 6. Far From Home 7. Homecoming The rest are 3 through 5. I’d rank 3 Dev Adam just ahead of Far From Home.
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Post by bud47 on Jul 10, 2019 19:31:37 GMT
Sounds like we have another Charzhino on our hands here. Someone that feels obligated to see these movies, no matter how much they hate them, out of some obligation to the overall genre. Then they can come here and complain and be part of the conversation, while hoping that their voice can somehow affect change in the overall public opinion about the film.
In the end though, the only real result is that the movie they hated seeing so much ended up stealing their money and their time and causing nothing but frustration. Way to fight the power I guess.
But it's not about some overall obligation to the integrity of the genre. This is about spite and pettiness. If you had a legitimate compulsion to evaluate these movies and, engage in open and respectful discourse, you'd probably seek formal education and a more widely assessable platform to disseminate your ideas. This isn't about that, this is about needling members of another fandom you don't like just because you have the time and the requisite sense of self-entitlement needed to do so. I agree, but that's what they commonly use as their reasoning. I think we all know why they really do it.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 10, 2019 20:03:38 GMT
Not that I am agreeing with it, but I think this might be the re-evaluation that the originally Raimi Movies that Lord Death Man is asking for.
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