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Post by clusium on Jul 11, 2019 13:55:50 GMT
....Perhaps, yes, I did answer in a way that is not understood. I think that BOTH the Mansons & Polanski are very awful,evil people, albeit in different ways. The difference is, the Mansons ARE serving time for their horrible crimes, but, Polanski got away with it, when he flew away to Europe. The irony is, if he had done his sentence, he would have been out of jail right now, whereas the Mansons are in prison right down to this very day (as they should be). Charles Manson himself, died in prison (as again, he should).... It is because you DO NOT understand the context of it, but will deflect to make something out to be what you want it to be, not what it is. This is typical of religious folk too, due to their belief and delusions in a sky fairy.
What sentence was it that Polanski was supposed to have done? Do you know why he fled? Do you know that the justice system, which failed in its own delivery of justice, did not really want Polanski to show up due to the unethical legal behavior of the presiding Judge Rittenband? His handling of the case and his reaching over the bench after the fact of the plea deal with his absurd claims about a sentence he was going to inflict upon Polanski and renege on the plea deal, could have had him disbarred. All they can get Polanski for now is perverting the course of justice by not showing up, which would have just opened up a new can of worms anyway, which would have made things even more convoluted. The point is, where justice regarding Polanski is concerned, it perverted and imploded upon itself.
Even if Polanski did somehow end up serving a longer sentence for some corrupt legal reason, it wouldn't have been for very long and people such as yourself would still hate upon him and want to flay him, something that his poor little play hard victim is very much opposed too anyway. If she can forgive him, why can't you?
She was an exploited girl, by her mother, Polanski and the media, but she was not and is not damaged goods and had it gone to trial, her own sexual experiences would have come to light with "other" older men, her sexual relationship with her 19yr old bf and if Polanski was being vilified, did they—including her gold-digging mother—need to be hauled up as well?
He was supposed to do the full 90 days. He should not have fled justice. As for continuing to hate upon him, I would probably do so because of the other revelations that are now coming to light, that Sandra Geimer was not his only young victim. Actually, its now coming to light that sexual abuse, is very, very common in Hollywood, & the entertainment industry in general. The reason I can't forgive him, is because he has done nothing to me, for me to forgive. She had been sexually abused by other men. They should have gone to prison also.
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Post by Isapop on Jul 11, 2019 16:54:00 GMT
Evidence please and why have the teachings been distorted by the CC? 2) From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: " 2356: Rape is the forcible violation of sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It can cause grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." So the Church clothes itself in these sheeplike words. But once you look beneath the clothing you see that their actions were those of the ferocious wolves, exactly as Jesus warned his followers to watch out for (Matt 7:15). How is anyone without a long indoctrination of unbreakable loyalty to the CC to see this any differently?
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 12, 2019 0:07:19 GMT
Bollocks! This is what you said: If dirtypillows indicated that he should, you are then indicating that he shouldn't. If you oppose pedophilia, you wouldn't be a Catholic. Stop with your lies. No I'm not indicating that he shouldn't. He/she said that he/she found Polanski beyond reproach, despite being convicted of statutory rape, simply because he was a Holocaust survivor & the murder of his wife & unborn child.And for the record, it is precisely because I am a devout Catholic, that I oppose pedophilia. The fact that you posted such an ignorant statement just goes to show you do know jack about the Catholic Church, Bigot. "simply"? The Holocaust is simple to you? really?
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 12, 2019 0:09:49 GMT
No I'm not indicating that he shouldn't. He/she said that he/she found Polanski beyond reproach, despite being convicted of statutory rape, simply because he was a Holocaust survivor & the murder of his wife & unborn child.And for the record, it is precisely because I am a devout Catholic, that I oppose pedophilia. The fact that you posted such an ignorant statement just goes to show you do know jack about the Catholic Church, Bigot. "simply"? The Holocaust is simple to you? really? And what does being Catholic have to do with being an anti-pedophile, anyway? Are you saying that if you weren't Catholic, you would not oppose pedophilia? That's a pretty backwards way to see yourself.
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Post by clusium on Jul 12, 2019 0:14:16 GMT
No I'm not indicating that he shouldn't. He/she said that he/she found Polanski beyond reproach, despite being convicted of statutory rape, simply because he was a Holocaust survivor & the murder of his wife & unborn child.And for the record, it is precisely because I am a devout Catholic, that I oppose pedophilia. The fact that you posted such an ignorant statement just goes to show you do know jack about the Catholic Church, Bigot. "simply"? The Holocaust is simple to you? really? No. Why, is the Holocaust simple to you? 
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 12, 2019 0:19:18 GMT
"simply"? The Holocaust is simple to you? really? No. Why, is the Holocaust simple to you? Good. I was beginning to think you were just an asshole. Now I know better.
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Post by goz on Jul 12, 2019 0:26:05 GMT
No. Why, is the Holocaust simple to you? Good. I was beginning to think you were just an asshole. Now I know better. Catholic arseholes are usually cleaner and often purified by holy water! ..unlike the little boys'!
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 12, 2019 0:27:57 GMT
Good. I was beginning to think you were just an asshole. Now I know better. Catholic arseholes are usually cleaner and often purified by holy water! ..unlike the little boys'! That's weird. As soon as I read your post, I saw the scene from "The Exorcist" where the drunk old priest says "hey father, can you help an old altar boy?"
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Post by clusium on Jul 12, 2019 0:30:22 GMT
No. Why, is the Holocaust simple to you? Good. I was beginning to think you were just an asshole. Now I know better. And what does that make you? Do you consider yourself an asshole?
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Post by goz on Jul 12, 2019 0:33:20 GMT
Catholic arseholes are usually cleaner and often purified by holy water! ..unlike the little boys'! That's weird. As soon as I read your post, I saw the scene from "The Exorcist" where the drunk old priest says "hey father, can you help an old altar boy?" Well, it certainly puts a new meaning on the old carol... "Oh cum, all ye faithful!"
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Jul 12, 2019 0:47:22 GMT
Catholics love it when priests rape children. God raped Mary when she was a child, so it's just a fulfilment of the divine, in their minds.
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Post by goz on Jul 12, 2019 5:47:56 GMT
Catholics love it when priests rape children. God raped Mary when she was a child, so it's just a fulfilment of the divine, in their minds. That is harsh. Are you suggesting that all those nasty pervoid priests say to themselves "If it was good enough for God it is good enough for me"? as they bugger a little boy or rape a little girl?
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Post by kls on Jul 12, 2019 11:28:53 GMT
Catholics love it when priests rape children. God raped Mary when she was a child, so it's just a fulfilment of the divine, in their minds. B.S. I consider that among the most foul things someone can do. And how did God rape Mary?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 13, 2019 4:21:25 GMT
Yes, well I think the CC has had enough time on this planet as an institution to live up to its own teachings and has failed miserably. Time for it to dissipate. No, it is not. The Catholic Church stays, whether you like it or not. Nothing won't stop it from being constantly maligned and ridiculed though.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 13, 2019 4:35:00 GMT
Evidence please and why have the teachings been distorted by the CC? 1)The Very Words Of Christ Himself: St. Matthew chapter 18,verse 9: " If anyone causes any of these little ones who believe in Me, to stumble, it is better for them to have a large milestone tied around their necks, and drowned in the depths of the sea."2) From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: " 2356: Rape is the forcible violation of sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It can cause grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." So why does it take the bible to be the final word on rape? You do realize that Polanski refused to plead guilty to a rape charge? The evidence to convict of "rape", was not considered strong enough to convict either. Polanski actually did Geimer and her mother a huge favor as well by not going to trial and pleading guilty to sex with a minor.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 13, 2019 4:42:05 GMT
 It is because you DO NOT understand the context of it, but will deflect to make something out to be what you want it to be, not what it is. This is typical of religious folk too, due to their belief and delusions in a sky fairy.
What sentence was it that Polanski was supposed to have done? Do you know why he fled? Do you know that the justice system, which failed in its own delivery of justice, did not really want Polanski to show up due to the unethical legal behavior of the presiding Judge Rittenband? His handling of the case and his reaching over the bench after the fact of the plea deal with his absurd claims about a sentence he was going to inflict upon Polanski and renege on the plea deal, could have had him disbarred. All they can get Polanski for now is perverting the course of justice by not showing up, which would have just opened up a new can of worms anyway, which would have made things even more convoluted. The point is, where justice regarding Polanski is concerned, it perverted and imploded upon itself.
Even if Polanski did somehow end up serving a longer sentence for some corrupt legal reason, it wouldn't have been for very long and people such as yourself would still hate upon him and want to flay him, something that his poor little play hard victim is very much opposed too anyway. If she can forgive him, why can't you?
She was an exploited girl, by her mother, Polanski and the media, but she was not and is not damaged goods and had it gone to trial, her own sexual experiences would have come to light with "other" older men, her sexual relationship with her 19yr old bf and if Polanski was being vilified, did they—including her gold-digging mother—need to be hauled up as well?
He was supposed to do the full 90 days. He should not have fled justice. As for continuing to hate upon him, I would probably do so because of the other revelations that are now coming to light, that Sandra Geimer was not his only young victim. Actually, its now coming to light that sexual abuse, is very, very common in Hollywood, & the entertainment industry in general. The reason I can't forgive him, is because he has done nothing to me, for me to forgive. She had been sexually abused by other men. They should have gone to prison also. Her name is Samantha, not Sandra. You can't even get that right. So you don't need to forgive him, so that then gives you a pass to vilify and condemn him, when his 'actual' victim feels totally opposite to how you feel. I think you need to quit while you are ahead.
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Post by clusium on Jul 13, 2019 4:51:07 GMT
1)The Very Words Of Christ Himself: St. Matthew chapter 18,verse 9: " If anyone causes any of these little ones who believe in Me, to stumble, it is better for them to have a large milestone tied around their necks, and drowned in the depths of the sea."2) From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: " 2356: Rape is the forcible violation of sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It can cause grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." So why does it take the bible to be the final word on rape? You do realize that Polanski refused to plead guilty to a rape charge? The evidence to convict of "rape", was not considered strong enough to convict either. Polanski actually did Geimer and her mother a huge favor as well by not going to trial and pleading guilty to sex with a minor. Same reason as it takes the Bible to be the final word on murder as well. So, what's your point (regarding the fact that Polanski wouldn't plead guilty)?
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Post by clusium on Jul 13, 2019 4:52:44 GMT
He was supposed to do the full 90 days. He should not have fled justice. As for continuing to hate upon him, I would probably do so because of the other revelations that are now coming to light, that Sandra Geimer was not his only young victim. Actually, its now coming to light that sexual abuse, is very, very common in Hollywood, & the entertainment industry in general. The reason I can't forgive him, is because he has done nothing to me, for me to forgive. She had been sexually abused by other men. They should have gone to prison also. Her name is Samantha, not Sandra. You can't even get that right. So you don't need to forgive him, so that then gives you a pass to vilify and condemn him, when his 'actual' victim feels totally opposite to how you feel. I think you need to quit while you are ahead. So sue me. I got her first name wrong.  I don't need to forgive the Manson family either.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 13, 2019 4:53:58 GMT
So why does it take the bible to be the final word on rape? You do realize that Polanski refused to plead guilty to a rape charge? The evidence to convict of "rape", was not considered strong enough to convict either. Polanski actually did Geimer and her mother a huge favor as well by not going to trial and pleading guilty to sex with a minor. Same reason as it takes the Bible to be the final word on murder as well. So, what's your point (regarding the fact that Polanski wouldn't plead guilty)? The bible is not the final word and context, because the majority of people are NOT believers— something you fail to grasp in your simplemind—and context appears to be something you were born to not understand, let alone being blessed with NO common sense. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 13, 2019 4:54:54 GMT
Her name is Samantha, not Sandra. You can't even get that right. So you don't need to forgive him, so that then gives you a pass to vilify and condemn him, when his 'actual' victim feels totally opposite to how you feel. I think you need to quit while you are ahead. So sue me. I got her first name wrong. I don't need to forgive the Manson family either. So don't sweat it then.
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