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Post by The Lost One on Apr 13, 2017 7:04:14 GMT
Except bestiality harms animals. LGBTQ don't harm anyone. And straight people eat food just like LGBTQ people, so it should be LGBTQS. Huh? Do straight people suffer homophobic abuse for eating food? |
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 13, 2017 8:12:21 GMT
pedophiles have more in common with LGB than T does..just like LGB they cant help who they are attracted to.. LGB and T people all want to live in line with how they feel. You can't allow a paedophile that since it would involve child abuse. The best you can offer a paedophile is help for him/her to resist his/her compulsions ie the complete opposite approach to the one taken with lgbt people. |
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 13, 2017 9:04:33 GMT
LGB and T people all want to live in line with how they feel. You can't allow a paedophile that since it would involve child abuse. The best you can offer a paedophile is help for him/her to resist his/her compulsions ie the complete opposite approach to the one taken with lgbt people. ahh ok i didnt realize LGBT discriminated against gays/etc that resisted their desires...i always thought they were out their fighting for all gays. lesbians. bisexuals but its really just the ones that want to act on their desire. You're misunderstanding. The LGBT community campaigns (amongst other things) for the freedom to act in accordance with your desires if you so wish and you're not hurting anyone else. This obviously can't be applied to paedophiles or those into bestiality since acting in accordance with their desires would invariably involve hurting someone else. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 13, 2017 9:06:25 GMT
if it is about bigotry then, then why aren't Muslims and blacks included in this then? It's about a specific kind of bigotry - homophobic. Homophobes lump transgender people in with the LGB people and so we should unite against them. And don't forget a lot of the hostility towards LGB people is they don't fit with the traditional gender norm of being attracted to the opposite sex. So in summary: -A lot of T people are LGB. -A lot of T people are lumped in with the LGB people by the traditional enemies of the LGB. -Both LGB and T people have that they do not stick to the expected gender norms in common. None of these are true of Muslims and blacks, but of course many LGBTQ movements support all persecuted minorities. And yeah there are differences between T people and LGB people. There are also differences between L, G and B people. Who cares? They're more effective at fighting prejudice that affects all of them if working together. LGBT should not be fighting against bigotry and bigotry comes in all forms, not just sexualities. It should not be compartmentalized. LGB should be about embracing the nature of homosexuality within ones being. TG is about genital mutilation and is a mental disorder. They are not embracing their sexuality, but full of self-loathing for the body they are born into. Homosexuals can be conditioned to be self-loathing on self-worth level by societies conditioning, but the majority of gay people do love and appreciate their own gender and embrace their gender. I don't care to belong to a community that is misrepresenting themselves by claiming to be tolerant of something like T and Q, that is ultimately being degrading to them. Q is self-deprecating and this is also an insult used by straight people who take things for granted and have much to learn. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 13, 2017 9:23:05 GMT
Except bestiality harms animals. LGBTQ don't harm anyone. LGBTQ are no more saints, than the hetero community. This is the same as many females claim to be over males, that they are so special and precious and nurturing as a gender, that they can lead the way. It is all a delusion. A persons attributes, attitudes and behaviors should not be defined by their sexuality or gender. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 13, 2017 9:25:49 GMT
pedophiles have more in common with LGB than T does..just like LGB they cant help who they are attracted to.. And a straight person can't help who they are attracted to either, so does that make them just as much in line with pedophiles? It is not an appropriate analogy. |
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 13, 2017 9:41:19 GMT
TG is about genital mutilation Except many TG people never get genital surgery and many that do do it for pragmatic reasons like being able to cut down on hormone ingestion or so they can change their details on their certificates or so they can get married etc. Of course many do have a problem with the genitals they were born with but this is an aspect of the transgender phenomenon, not the definition. Except the psychiatric consensus is that it is not. Gender dysphoria is defined by the UK National Health Service (and most western health experts agree here) as "a discomfort caused by a mismatch between biological sex and gender identity". It is not considered a delusion to think there is a mismatch, but it is acknowledged as discomforting to some people. Transitioning removes the discomfort. As so again you're going against the psychiatric consensus and buying into the unsubstantiated "trans people are just gay people who can't come to terms with it" myth? The only issue with Q is the name "Queer". Which is why some people prefer to say it stands for Questioning. But as a group, there is no issue with admitting people who are not quite sure where they slot in within LGBT or maybe don't quite fit any of them. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 13, 2017 10:58:30 GMT
And a straight person can't help who they are attracted to either, so does that make them just as much in line with pedophiles? It is not an appropriate analogy. no being straight is the norm and LGB like pedophilia is a deviance from the norm.. Being straight is the accepted norm of a societal construct only. What is normal per-se anyway and pedophilia is not a sexuality, but a behavior of people who are not able to control their impulses for what they desire. Sex with consenting adults, regardless of gender, is not deviant in any form or manner, only to those that are ignorant. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 13, 2017 22:45:23 GMT
Being straight is the accepted norm of a societal construct only. What is normal per-se anyway and pedophilia is not a sexuality, but a behavior of people who are not able to control their impulses for what they desire. Sex with consenting adults, regardless of gender, is not deviant in any form or manner, only to those that are ignorant. ...the reason LGBT needs the LGBT is because they are in the minority right? so not the norm... what you say about pedophilia is exactly the kind of thing other bigots have said about gay/lesbian for centuries  I agree that most humans are conditioned to act as though heterosexuality is normal. This is a common perception and a controlling and brainwashing program that promotes breeding, consuming and serving. This is how the heterosexist status quo wants to function to keep itself intact. Sexuality is innate, yet most people are under the belief that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong. Either way, nature or nurture, it is the fault of heterosexuals, they are the breeders so will just have to get over it. There are also LGBT, that do not need or care about the LGBT community. Bigotry or ignorance regarding homosexuality also appears to be an innate aspect of many people, but that just comes back to societal conditioning again. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 15, 2017 9:51:49 GMT
I agree that most humans are conditioned to act as though heterosexuality is normal. This is a common perception and a controlling and brainwashing program that promotes breeding, consuming and serving. This is how the heterosexist status quo wants to function to keep itself intact. Sexuality is innate, yet most people are under the belief that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong. Either way, nature or nurture, it is the fault of heterosexuals, they are the breeders so will just have to get over it. There are also LGBT, that do not need or care about the LGBT community. Bigotry or ignorance regarding homosexuality also appears to be an innate aspect of many people, but that just comes back to societal conditioning again. supposedly people cant help who are attracted to so heterosexuality being the most common (by far) means its the norm...nothing to do with being conditioned its just a fact most people are straight so that would be the norm and LGB and P all deviate from the norm  It is only the 'accepted' norm, because of conditioning and what is the majority. Sexuality is innate and nothing really deviates from what is the 'norm'— your norm, their norm, my norm, who's norm?—because each norm for each individual would be a different experience or perception. For a gay person, being sexually attracted to the same gender is the norm for them. Please also know, that both heterosexuals and homosexuals can be pedophiles. This is a NOT a sexuality, but a deviation of the "misuse" of sexuality, just like bestiality. Since there are more heterosexuals, there would be a majority of heterosexual pedophiles, so that means there are more deviants that are straight. Fact! |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 16, 2017 9:07:33 GMT
its the accepted norm because most people are straight...talk individual norm all you want but it has nothing to do with what we are talking about..being straight is the norm because most people are straight.. thanks..you just explained why pedophiles belong with LGB more than T..they just like the others deviate from the norm..pedos can be either hetero or homo..buuuuut a pedos thing has to do with sexual attraction while being trans doesnt have to have anything to do with who they are attracted to..which is why i say P has more in common with LBG than T does  Being straight is the PROJECTED norm. I don't think you would be able to give a cohesive explanation, due to what is coming across as prejudice and bigotry of homosexuality. Sexuality is just sexuality and it just is. It is humans that are dictating what is right and wrong and that is where your denial and conceit lies. It is the MISUSE of sexuality that creates what could be considered deviant behavior. Pedophilia is misuse of sexuality, and a person's natural sexual orientation has nothing to do with somebody that likes to diddle kids. Same with beastiality. Another legal consenting person, having sex with another legal consenting person IS NOT misusing sexuality. T is gender confusion and does not belong with LGB or P. Are you getting it now? |
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Post by nausea on Apr 16, 2017 18:14:32 GMT
yeah that's how I feel when I bump into a buzz feed video.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 17, 2017 1:46:19 GMT
going to say it again being straight is the norm because that is what most people are..LGB all deviate from this norm. a pedophile who has never acted on their urges is no worse than a homosexual...neither can help who they are attracted to it just is what it is.. P fits in with LGB because none of these people can help who they are attracted to..P just has the problem of their attraction (if acted upon) being a crime..other than that its just people attracted to something that isnt the norm. imagine it snowing in florida (has happened and could happen again) and some guy is running around telling people this is normal saying it not snowing was just the projected norm  You are playing devil's advocate and all you are doing expressing is your confounded bigotry and ignorance. We know that heterosexuals can't help being attracted to the opposite gender, which is the projected and conditioned norm, and I hate to rain on your parade, but the norm as you see it is inferior. Poor schmo! Why don't you just come out and admit that you are homophobic and have scorn and disdain for homosexuality. At least that way you will be being honest and sincere and then you might get given more credence. |
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Apr 17, 2017 7:46:18 GMT
You are playing devil's advocate and all you are doing expressing is your confounded bigotry and ignorance. We know that heterosexuals can't help being attracted to the opposite gender, which is the projected and conditioned norm, and I hate to rain on your parade, but the norm as you see it is inferior. Poor schmo! Why don't you just come out and admit that you are homophobic and have scorn and disdain for homosexuality. At least that way you will be being honest and sincere and then you might get given more credence. no bigotry...maybe you are overly sensitive? im just stating reasons who P belongs with LGB more than T does..and explaining what the word normal means. normal is normal not because we pretend its normal but because most times thats the way it is...things can deviate from the norm and that doesnt make them bad..that are just different from the norm P is about age, T is gender.. I don't see how either of them fit when the rest are about sexuality...  Again you keep repeating that it isn't the "norm". Normal is pretty subjective. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 17, 2017 8:45:33 GMT
no bigotry...maybe you are overly sensitive? im just stating reasons who P belongs with LGB more than T does..and explaining what the word normal means. normal is normal not because we pretend its normal but because most times thats the way it is...things can deviate from the norm and that doesnt make them bad..that are just different from the norm You are not stating any reason, other than what is coming from your own narrow, biased and limited perception. Who's norm, yours? Even for a P, their sexual desires would appear normal to them. You are refusing to acknowledge the difference between natural and innate sexuality and what is a"misuse" of sexuality and even mental illness regarding P and T. Please don't attempt to explain what "normal" is, when you are misguided. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 17, 2017 9:19:44 GMT
normal by the very definition of the word..are there as many homosexuals as there are heterosexual people? no. there for heterosexual would be the norm. we arent talking about a perceived version of normal we are talking about normal based on the very meaning of the word...you seem to be doing what you are accusing me of doing and warping what normal is It is a perception of normal only, and what is conditioned as being seen as normal. What is normal per se? You are projecting what the majority of society sees as normal and reading into that only. That is very limiting. You, yourself, are twisting around the meaning of normal, to give you some credibility for your half baked point. You are only skimming the surface due to what is programmed within you. Being a majority of a sexuality that takes things for granted, only gives them a head start by default. It is only a delusion to be seen as normal. It is also a self-serving and self-absorbed notion of what is thought of as normal. It is about controlling and constructing a society, that wants to keep the status quo intact. It is a biased and judgemental projection of innate aspects of a person's nature and telling them that they are wrong, for not being what is "promoted" as the normal sexuality. Breed, Consume, Serve. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 17, 2017 11:33:01 GMT
It is a perception of normal only, and what is conditioned as being seen as normal. What is normal per se? You are projecting what the majority of society sees as normal and reading into that only. That is very limiting. You, yourself, are twisting around the meaning of normal, to give you some credibility for your half baked point. You are only skimming the surface due to what is programmed within you. Being a majority of a sexuality that takes things for granted, only gives them a head start by default. It is only a delusion to be seen as normal. It is also a self-serving and self-absorbed notion of what is thought of as normal. It is about controlling and constructing a society, that wants to keep the status quo intact. It is a biased and judgemental projection of innate aspects of a person's nature and telling them that they are wrong, for not being what is "promoted" as the normal sexuality. Breed, Consume, Serve. are there as many homosexuals as there are heterosexual people? No, but what is your point? It might appear normal to have more heterosexuals than homosexuals, but it is only the "projected" normalcy. That is what you are not getting. How many males have homosexual tendencies that haven't acted out on them? We cannot know and they are bisexual and only acting out on heteronormalcy. It is what is easier to live life in a state of normalcy, but who's state is it really? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 17, 2017 12:16:40 GMT
No, but what is your point? It might appear normal to have more heterosexuals than homosexuals, but it is only the "projected" normalcy. That is what you are not getting. How many males have homosexual tendencies that haven't acted out on them? We cannot know and they are bisexual and only acting out on heteronormalcy. It is what is easier to live life in a state of normalcy, but who's state is it really? OK ^^ anyone that reads that can see which one of us is projecting. It is all a projection. As a homosexual being, I see heterosexuality as being the moral majority and that is what is perceived as "normalcy" by many many others. It is not my "normalcy", only what is being promoted as normalcy. What I am am told to perceive as normal, is it really? Just as what many could say about homosexuality, being "abnormal". Is it really? It just is, and I am not buying into what others may tell me is right and wrong. I attempt to live by my own instincts and feelings of what is an "appropriate" way to behave. What I project, is not what you or others may project or connect with. It is my own state of being and reality. It doesn't mean that it is, or needs to be seen as either normal or abnormal. It just is. How I may judge and condemn certain things is what is important and within all of us needs to be addressed as human beings. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 17, 2017 22:17:33 GMT
normal is normal by definition. straight is normal because most are but you not being "normal" isnt bad..im glad you acknowledge you were projecting and wish you all the best! The normal definition based on what the majority of others are telling others what should be or doing with their lives. If that's not a projection, what isn't. Sad that you can't acknowledge this. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Apr 18, 2017 12:33:54 GMT
The normal definition based on what the majority of others are telling others what should be or doing with their lives. If that's not a projection, what isn't. Sad that you can't acknowledge this. is it normal for it to snow in florida? It doesn't snow in Florida and the example you are using is a different dynamic and therefore redundant. Sexuality and conditioning and not to mention ignorance that you project is not the weather. |
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