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Post by merh on Jul 13, 2019 15:09:21 GMT
Well he does now, the whole world knows his identity and thinks he's a murderer. But MCU will probably retcon that in the next movie. They've already completely ignored the fact that Bucky murdered 2 innocent civilians and is a fugitive from the law and ignored the fact that Cap is also a fugitive from the law after aiding and abetting Bucky to flee from the law. We have a soldier (Gallagher?) just found innocent of murdering a young man. His attorney is now trying to overturn the thing he was found guilty of-taking a trophy shot of the victim-because that conviction got him tossed out of the service at a reduced rank & affected his future benefits he would otherwise receive Seems to happen all the time.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 13, 2019 19:55:23 GMT
But MCU will probably retcon that in the next movie. They've already completely ignored the fact that Bucky murdered 2 innocent civilians and is a fugitive from the law and ignored the fact that Cap is also a fugitive from the law after aiding and abetting Bucky to flee from the law. We have a soldier (Gallagher?) just found innocent of murdering a young man. His attorney is now trying to overturn the thing he was found guilty of-taking a trophy shot of the victim-because that conviction got him tossed out of the service at a reduced rank & affected his future benefits he would otherwise receive Seems to happen all the time. The difference between the 2 is that Bucky was under mind control. Something that DC-Fan likes to conveniently forget. But we'll allow something like Batman gunning down a bunch of guys transporting and guarding something that rightfully belongs to their boss.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 17:50:36 GMT
There’s been a bizarre hate culture on the Raimi trilogy since the TASM films. People just love what’s shiny and new I guess
You’re free to enjoy whatever films you want, but no need to tear down older ones
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Post by Vassaggo on Jul 15, 2019 18:12:38 GMT
There’s been a bizarre hate culture on the Raimi trilogy since the TASM films. People just love what’s shiny and new I guess You’re free to enjoy whatever films you want, but no need to tear down older ones No need to tear down the older. It would be prudent to revisit your favorites every once in a while to see if it holds up. I look at older movies with 2 POV. One as a product of the time it was made. You can't compare Superman 1 and 2 with the same eye that you would look at a movie from 2019 for subtext, effects, etc. It's a product of the time it was made. I also try to divorce myself from the Nostalgia in my POV. Now this is only when I am in the mood to judge a film. If I am just watching it to enjoy it I'll just watch it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 15, 2019 18:20:25 GMT
It all evens out though. It's usually younger fans that try to tear down the old to validate the new, while older fans often refuse to accept any incarnation of a character other than the one they grew up with.
Personally, I still enjoy Nolan and Burton's Batfilms. I enjoy the Raimi Spidey (1 & 2 at least) as well as MCU Spidey. I never saw TASM films because they looked terrible, not because I thought the character couldn't be done better than Raimi.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 16, 2019 20:05:06 GMT
It’s pretty absurd. The first two Raimi films remain excellent.
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Post by kleinreturns on Jul 17, 2019 22:39:10 GMT
I still prefer Spiderman 1 to Spiderman 2.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 18, 2019 0:37:34 GMT
I'm sorry but Homecoming FFH have nothing on the Raimi movies or even the first ASM movie Mcu spiderman will never top the Raimi or ASM movies Spiderman
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 23, 2019 15:56:00 GMT
But MCU will probably retcon that in the next movie. No they've already said the next one will revolve around it. But will that just consist of them showing the world that Mysterio's video footage was doctored and then the whole thing is forgotten. Or will they actually show the consequences of the whole world knowing Spider-Man's identity? In the post-credit scene for Homecoming, when Vulture went to prison, the other inmates thought Vulture knew Spider-Man's identity and wanted Vulture to tell them who Spider-Man is. Now that they know who Spider-Man is, will they put a contract out on Aunt May or Peter's friends like Ned and MJ aka Mary Jane? Will social services take Peter away from Aunt May for child endangerment (letting her under-age nephew dress up as a vigilante and fight against dangerous criminals) and put Peter in a foster home? Or will MCU retcon it and just ignore those consequences like how they ignored the fact that Bucky murdered 2 innocent civilians and is a fugitive from the law and ignored the fact that Cap is also a fugitive from the law after aiding and abetting Bucky to flee from the law?
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Post by scabab on Jul 23, 2019 23:19:55 GMT
Or will MCU retcon it and just ignore those consequences like how they ignored the fact that Bucky murdered 2 innocent civilians and is a fugitive from the law and ignored the fact that Cap is also a fugitive from the law after aiding and abetting Bucky to flee from the law? Those two things were referred to directly in Infinity War, Captain America was still on the run and Ross wanted him arrested. Winter Soldier was also being hidden away in Wakanda so that's wrong. So no, they obviously won't retcon it, as again, they clearly said that's what the story would be about.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 24, 2019 1:38:06 GMT
Or will MCU retcon it and just ignore those consequences like how they ignored the fact that Bucky murdered 2 innocent civilians and is a fugitive from the law and ignored the fact that Cap is also a fugitive from the law after aiding and abetting Bucky to flee from the law? Those two things were referred to directly in Infinity War, Captain America was still on the run and Ross wanted him arrested. Winter Soldier was also being hidden away in Wakanda so that's wrong. So no, they obviously won't retcon it, as again, they clearly said that's what the story would be about. Oh dear, dcfan went to all the bother of resurrecting this old threat, only to get immediately stomped. Yeah, that's pretty funny!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 24, 2019 3:00:00 GMT
Or will MCU retcon it and just ignore those consequences like how they ignored the fact that Bucky murdered 2 innocent civilians and is a fugitive from the law and ignored the fact that Cap is also a fugitive from the law after aiding and abetting Bucky to flee from the law? no, they obviously won't retcon it, as again, they clearly said that's what the story would be about. So in the next Spider-Man movie, we can expect social services to take Peter away from Aunt May for child endangerment (letting her under-age nephew dress up as a vigilante and fight against dangerous criminals) and put Peter in a foster home and we can also expect criminals to put out a contract on Aunt May or Ned or MJ aka Mary Jane as a way to strike back at Spider-Man?
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Post by scabab on Jul 24, 2019 6:48:14 GMT
So in the next Spider-Man movie, we can expect social services to take Peter away from Aunt May for child endangerment (letting her under-age nephew dress up as a vigilante and fight against dangerous criminals) and put Peter in a foster home and we can also expect criminals to put out a contract on Aunt May or Ned or MJ aka Mary Jane as a way to strike back at Spider-Man? Potentially, they've had villains go after Peter Parkers loved ones in the other movies in the same way. Dunno what they'll do with Aunt May.
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