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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 11, 2017 22:00:43 GMT
First off, YES I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE MCU, in any official capacity.
But here's the deal, I've put up a list of reasons and counters to the most common objections to the idea below, and on a personal note, I actually thought it was a pretty good effort, especially when you consider that it was a part of the era where they were testing new styles and ideas for comic book films. I thought this one was fun, and I simply like including it. So how about that list.
1. The MCU official film Incredible Hulk, was actually filmed from a modified version of the script that was a sequel to Hulk '03. 2. The fact that it began as a sequel is still apparent as the story begins with Bruce still in South America where we last saw him at the end of Hulk '03, Ross still hunting him, and Betty still missing him. 3. Many will point out that his origin is different, but is it? I mean sure a bit, but both get their powers from Lab accidents, and the MCU film brushes over the origin from Hulk's perspective, who Banner later admits that he doesn't remember things clearly while in hulk form. Your memories are almost all inaccurate when compared to the actual events that took place, so I simply don't care too much that the origin is only slightly different. 4. I also hear Talbot died a lot, but did he? Watch the film again, in Hulk '03 we never actually see the character die. Sure a bomb goes off behind him and he cartoonishly flies toward the camera implying his death, but we never actually know that he died, and so Talbot showing up in Agents of Shield, really isn't a problem in my book. 5. Absorbing Man wasn't in Hulk '03 either. A new character with the same power set was, but we know it wasn't Carl Creel, so I really don't see any contradiction here. 6. Speaking of his father, in Hulk '03, his Hulk power was a result of carrying on an alteration to his blood passed on by his father. But nothing about that is contradicted in Incredible Hulk. We see him performing experiments on himself, and that part of what turned him was a new super soldier syrum, but it doesn't say the syrum alone is what turned him. We also don't know in Hulk '03 that Ross wasn't already aware of and behind what Banner was working on. On top of that, Blonsky only greens up after he gets some of Banner's blood, and not from the syrum. I agree that there appears to be some level of difference, but it's still one that can be reconciled. 7. In Incredible Hulk, Ross says that Betty had never seen Bruce as the Hulk. Actually I'm not sure that he says that at all. He says "now gshe'll see", but that doesn't really mean she had never seen the Hulk before. It may have just as easily been saying she would see him get out of control and start agreeing with her father that he does need to be taken down. 8. And yeah he could change sizes with anger before, but perhaps that was just an early side effect? I mean in the comics he was originally grey, but we don't hold the change to green against him. So I can totally accept that he's simply one size fits all at this point, whereas he wasn't at the very beginning.
So all in all, I still enjoy Hulk '03, I like Bana and especially my girl Jennifer Connelly. Their performance together was great I felt as was Nick Nolte's. The part at the end where it hold's still on his eyes as he walks toward his final giant electric encounter with Bruce was fantastic. I loved that whole bit, and although I am aware that it doesn't completely seamlessly fit, there are no real contradictions and I enjoy watching it as the origin for the MCU hulk.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 11, 2017 22:33:37 GMT
You're not the only one, i know others who like to put it in the MCU. I actually use to hate the film, but over time i started to like it. Honestly i wouldn't mind Ang Lee doing another Comic Book film, especially a MCU film.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 5:21:32 GMT
You're not the only one, i know others who like to put it in the MCU. I actually use to hate the film, but over time i started to like it. Honestly i wouldn't mind Ang Lee doing another Comic Book film, especially a MCU film. I was always curious about the hate for it. To me a lot of things like the fight with the dogs, seemed like one of those things people bandwagon complained about when there was nothing really wrong with it. He ripped open a pit bull, I mean, I was cool with that. The tank fight was great. His father's absorption powers were cool. I'm glad you've warmed up to it.
What specifically do you like now that you didn't like before?
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Post by misstique on Apr 12, 2017 5:44:04 GMT
I actually don't include either of the Hulk movies in my MCU collection.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 5:48:56 GMT
I actually don't include either of the Hulk movies in my MCU collection. Always great to meet a fan
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Post by miike80 on Apr 12, 2017 7:33:49 GMT
I actually like it better than TIH
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 12, 2017 14:20:18 GMT
I actually like it better than TIH TBH so do I. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I genuine like Hulk '03. It's one of those I never understood people getting down about. For me there's a difference between saying something is bad, and recognizing that it isn't the absolute greatest. YES, I get that it's not the best comic film ever, but I don't see anything bad about it. The bandwagon "it's bad" always seemed weird to me.
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Post by miike80 on Apr 12, 2017 14:25:02 GMT
I actually like it better than TIH TBH so do I. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I genuine like Hulk '03. It's one of those I never understood people getting down about. For me there's a difference between saying something is bad, and recognizing that it isn't the absolute greatest. YES, I get that it's not the best comic film ever, but I don't see anything bad about it. The bandwagon "it's bad" always seemed weird to me. The hate seems really weird to me too. I also like it. And to be honest the worst Ang Lee movie has a great chance of being better than the best Louis Letterier movie
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 12, 2017 15:56:07 GMT
You're not the only one, i know others who like to put it in the MCU. I actually use to hate the film, but over time i started to like it. Honestly i wouldn't mind Ang Lee doing another Comic Book film, especially a MCU film. I was always curious about the hate for it. To me a lot of things like the fight with the dogs, seemed like one of those things people bandwagon complained about when there was nothing really wrong with it. He ripped open a pit bull, I mean, I was cool with that. The tank fight was great. His father's absorption powers were cool. I'm glad you've warmed up to it.
What specifically do you like now that you didn't like before?
Honestly i don't remember what it was i didn't like. I just recently rewatched Hulk for the first time since 2003, maybe i thought it was slow and boring? I was a teenager than.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 12, 2017 19:54:40 GMT
I'm fine with the Ang Lee movie being loosely considered part of the MCU canon if it enhances your enjoyment of the other films. I also prefer the 03 movie to TIH, as a matter of personal choice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 20:33:37 GMT
I never hated The Hulk (2003), and I tangentially connect to TIH. I can take it or leave it as an unofficial part of the MCU. There's technically nothing that contradicts the MCU too much.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 13, 2017 14:34:04 GMT
BANAAAAAA. I still enjoy this movie. Hard to consider it connected though. Felt it did Hulk better justice than Norton's 'film'.
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Post by Jerk on Apr 13, 2017 16:18:54 GMT
This is why I dont think the continuity issues in the x-men franchise are that big of a deal. It doesnt matter that the continuity is inconsistant in large franchises. I feel the same about Hulk 03 and the incredible hulk the continuity doesnt exactly line up, there are minor inconsistencies that don't really matter and can be ignored.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 13, 2017 17:20:22 GMT
This is why I dont think the continuity issues in the x-men franchise are that big of a deal. It doesnt matter that the continuity is inconsistant in large franchises. I feel the same about Hulk 03 and the incredible hulk the continuity doesnt exactly line up, there are minor inconsistencies that don't really matter and can be ignored. I concur, re: the FoX-Men films. More importantly, your avatar is FUCKING awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 3:27:34 GMT
This is why I dont think the continuity issues in the x-men franchise are that big of a deal. It doesnt matter that the continuity is inconsistant in large franchises. I feel the same about Hulk 03 and the incredible hulk the continuity doesnt exactly line up, there are minor inconsistencies that don't really matter and can be ignored. I feel it depends on the franchise. In the case of the MCU, where keeping a tight continuity is one of their goals, any continuity issues they do have naturally become more noticeable.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 14, 2017 3:30:38 GMT
I do consider Ang Lee's Hulk and TIH to be loose continuations.
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Post by filmfan95 on Apr 14, 2017 3:39:00 GMT
I thought the film was okay. And I believe that canon is up to the individual fan anyway, rather than the people who wrote the movies. So ts fine for you to include this film.
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Post by Jerk on Apr 14, 2017 6:35:17 GMT
This is why I dont think the continuity issues in the x-men franchise are that big of a deal. It doesnt matter that the continuity is inconsistant in large franchises. I feel the same about Hulk 03 and the incredible hulk the continuity doesnt exactly line up, there are minor inconsistencies that don't really matter and can be ignored. I feel it depends on the franchise. In the case of the MCU, where keeping a tight continuity is one of their goals, any continuity issues they do have naturally become more noticeable. Ah yes, the age old hypocrisy it's ok for the franchise I like but not for the franchise I don't like.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 14, 2017 11:41:14 GMT
I thought the film was okay. And I believe that canon is up to the individual fan anyway, rather than the people who wrote the movies. So ts fine for you to include this film. I strongly believe this as well. Really good point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 19:09:39 GMT
It's a great movie, no idea why so many seem to dislike it. It's slow, that's true, but the Hulk story is easily the more tragic story of Marvel, or rather, it's easier to turn it into a viable tragedy. And Ang Lee did a good job of that.
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