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Post by Ass_E9 on Jul 14, 2019 23:56:26 GMT
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 15, 2019 0:49:42 GMT
Just more politically correct BS (from the left) with changing the sex/race of Bond. if that happens... the James Bond series is completely dead. it would be unwise for them to cater to all of the political BS lately and keeps James Bond as James Bond. but personally I don't take those articles claims too seriously as changing Bond from white to black is bad enough but to change from male to female would be that much further off-the-rails. they are better off starting something new and leave 007 to James Bond otherwise they are simply taking things too far. or maybe have them start a spin off character tied to the James Bond world etc as then they could have a non-white lead and possibly even change to female etc. but you still want to keep the core James Bond movies going every few years or so. bottom line... you just don't screw with a established series like James Bond as the character must be white and be male (this really goes without saying). any variation of that is just more politically correct BS from the left pushing their diversity BS for the sake of being diverse than it actually being of benefit/value. Popeye DoyleBut I would not take those people seriously. James Bond is too big of a character to screw with. let those who whine about it whine, I could not care less as you just don't screw with a iconic character like James Bond.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 15, 2019 1:02:24 GMT
So Daniel Craig's James Bond in name only has already retired after 3 origin stories and a crappy Spectre movie. I don't care who the new 007 is. The problem is there should not be a new 007!
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 15, 2019 1:08:22 GMT
Also: www.imdb.com/title/tt0081447 (and note--not a big studio film--Cleopatra Jones WAS a Warner Bros film) The fact is that the media owners see film as a message delivery system and agitprop material. This is their sole motivation. They are not thinking about new audiences or increasing revenues. It is strictly political. The name 007 is what matters here--they are sending the message that anyone can assume James Bond's role. That's the agitprop message.
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Post by Harmless elf on Jul 15, 2019 1:17:52 GMT
If you have an issue with this you are a racist and a sexist it's that simple.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jul 15, 2019 1:20:01 GMT
Personally I only want to see Bond as 007.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2019 1:28:19 GMT
Something I've always wondered about Hollywood politics: If their goal is truly diversity, why do they almost always change the character's race to black only? Can we not cast a British Indian or British Asian for 007?
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 15, 2019 1:45:02 GMT
Something I've always wondered about Hollywood politics: If their goal is truly diversity, why do they almost always change the character's race to black only? Can we not cast a British Indian or British Asian for 007? Probably because black people are the least represented race in film. Asians have Asian cinema and Indians have Bollywood etc. And it all goes back to slavery in the U.S. Yes, all minorities have been very poorly treated in the past but none as widely known as black history in this country. Then there are the Native Americans, but everyone likes to pretend that never happened.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2019 1:53:39 GMT
Something I've always wondered about Hollywood politics: If their goal is truly diversity, why do they almost always change the character's race to black only? Can we not cast a British Indian or British Asian for 007? Probably because black people are the least represented race in film. Asians have Asian cinema and Indians have Bollywood etc. And it all goes back to slavery in the U.S. Yes, all minorities have been very poorly treated in the past but none as widely known as black history in this country. Then there are the Native Americans, but everyone likes to pretend that never happened. Huh? Black people dominate international sports and have a good deal of representation in the music industry. Majority of non-white roles in Hollywood movies go to blacks. If you're really looking for least representation in movies, I think that would go to Southeast Asians or middle Easterners. Maybe even Latinos.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 15, 2019 2:07:17 GMT
Probably because black people are the least represented race in film. Asians have Asian cinema and Indians have Bollywood etc. And it all goes back to slavery in the U.S. Yes, all minorities have been very poorly treated in the past but none as widely known as black history in this country. Then there are the Native Americans, but everyone likes to pretend that never happened. Huh? Black people dominate international sports and have a good deal of representation in the music industry. Majority of non-white roles in Hollywood movies go to blacks. If you're really looking for least representation in movies, I think that would go to Southeast Asians or middle Easterners. Maybe even Latinos. I said in film. I was just taking a guess at the reason btw. I wasn't stating facts. The difference I think is that Middle Eastern people and Southeast Asian people aren't as big a part of U.S. history, as far as I'm aware. I really think the main reason goes back to black history in the U.S. It also doesn't seem like Latinos and the other minorities care as much about representation in Hollywood movies.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2019 2:13:21 GMT
Huh? Black people dominate international sports and have a good deal of representation in the music industry. Majority of non-white roles in Hollywood movies go to blacks. If you're really looking for least representation in movies, I think that would go to Southeast Asians or middle Easterners. Maybe even Latinos. I said in film. I was just taking a guess at the reason btw. I wasn't stating facts. The difference I think is that Middle Eastern people and Southeast Asian people aren't as big a part of U.S. history, as far as I'm aware. I really think the main reason goes back to black history in the U.S. It also doesn't seem like Latinos and the other minorities care as much about representation in Hollywood movies. Well yeah, in film blacks are the next most represented race after whites in terms of Hollywood movies. And yes, other minorities don't really complain much. I just wish these studios would stop calling it "diversity" if the only two races they keep trying to represent are whites and blacks.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 15, 2019 2:20:02 GMT
I said in film. I was just taking a guess at the reason btw. I wasn't stating facts. The difference I think is that Middle Eastern people and Southeast Asian people aren't as big a part of U.S. history, as far as I'm aware. I really think the main reason goes back to black history in the U.S. It also doesn't seem like Latinos and the other minorities are as much about representation in Hollywood movies. Well yeah, in film blacks are the next most represented race after whites in terms of Hollywood movies. And yes, other minorities don't really complain much. I just wish these studios would stop calling it "diversity" if the only two races they keep trying to represent are whites and blacks.Oh, I agree with that if we are only taking Hollywood movies into account. At the same time though it makes sense that the focus would go to the people who shout the loudest, ie. feminists and black people. In Hollywood movies black people are the second most represented after white people, but I was taking all movies into account, which is why I brought up Asian cinema and Bollywood. Worldwide they have a lot of representation, with thousands of movies with casts consisting of entirely Asian and Indian casts.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2019 2:31:41 GMT
Well yeah, in film blacks are the next most represented race after whites in terms of Hollywood movies. And yes, other minorities don't really complain much. I just wish these studios would stop calling it "diversity" if the only two races they keep trying to represent are whites and blacks.Oh, I agree with that if we are only taking Hollywood movies into account. At the same time though it makes sense that the focus would go to the people who shout the loudest, ie. feminists and black people. In Hollywood movies black people are the second most represented after white people, but I was taking all movies into account, which is why I brought up Asian cinema and Bollywood. Worldwide they have a lot of representation, with thousands of movies with casts consisting of entirely Asian and Indian casts. Nothing really for me to disagree with here. Just that since we're talking about James Bond which is a Hollywood film, it felt more proper to limit the discussion to Hollywood films. After all, you don't hear a lot of cries for more diversity in Bollywood or Asian films. ;P
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 15, 2019 2:39:19 GMT
Oh, I agree with that if we are only taking Hollywood movies into account. At the same time though it makes sense that the focus would go to the people who shout the loudest, ie. feminists and black people. In Hollywood movies black people are the second most represented after white people, but I was taking all movies into account, which is why I brought up Asian cinema and Bollywood. Worldwide they have a lot of representation, with thousands of movies with casts consisting of entirely Asian and Indian casts. Nothing really for me to disagree with here. Just that since we're talking about James Bond which is a Hollywood film, it felt more proper to limit the discussion to Hollywood films. After all, you don't hear a lot of cries for more diversity in Bollywood or Asian films. ;P Yeah, I get that. I try to look at things from every angle though.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 15, 2019 6:24:51 GMT
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 15, 2019 6:30:14 GMT
If you have an issue with this you are a racist and a sexist it's that simple. 
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 15, 2019 6:32:36 GMT
Sounds like an interesting idea. 
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Post by Isapop on Jul 15, 2019 8:28:04 GMT
MI6 should retire his number. They do it in sports all the time.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Jul 15, 2019 11:48:28 GMT
People need to get a grip. (Sigh...)
Bond will have his Double-0 number back by the end of the film. Apparently, B25 will start with him retired from the secret service... but be called back to duty.
The lady given the 007 designation during his absence will either be killed or quit the service by movie’s end.
In the next to last Ian Fleming Bond novel, “You Only Live Twice”, the 007 designation is actually taken away from Bond — he’s demoted (for being a drunken fuck-up after his wife’s death at the hands of Blofeld) and redesignated Agent “777”, with no license to kill. (Bond later wins his “007” rating back, of course.)
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Post by Ass_E9 on Jul 15, 2019 15:21:20 GMT
My bad. The screen capture was likely from Jane Bond Meets Thunderballs (1986), with Stacey Donovan, credited as "Stacy Donovan" in the film. Amber Lynn may be the Roger Moore to Stacey Donovan's Sean Connery, doing the Octopussy/Never Say Never Again two-Bonds-in-the-same-year thing.
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