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Vinyl
Jul 20, 2019 20:05:09 GMT
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 20, 2019 20:05:09 GMT
Can anyone tell me why it's making a comeback? It's an honest question and I;m not trying to wind anyone up. But, to me, bringing vinyl back is like bringing back smallpox. I grew up with record. they sucked. They warped, they scratched, they skipped. People would put back your album on the wrong sleeve and it would take you the whole afternoon to sort them out (I used to do this to my friends all the time). You couldn't take them anywhere. Not only did you have to get the album but you had to get a blank cassette and record the thing so you could listen in the car. Did I mention they skipped? There are songs to this day, The Beatles Taxman and Neil Young's Powderfinger leap to mind, that I expect the tune to have a giant skip because the record did. "if you drive a car...your seat" Album covers were cool but that's the only plus against all those minuses. And eventually, the cover would fade and get scratched too. Maybe someone can explain.
Will 8-Tracks make a comeback next?
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Post by petrolino on Jul 21, 2019 0:56:00 GMT
I think djs like records to flip and scratch.
I have a work colleague I always talk music with. He's a big vinyl collector. I said outside of the warm sound, doesn't it aggravate to have to keep getting up and changing the record? But he's not a big drinker so it doesn't bother him.
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Post by Vodkie on Jul 21, 2019 1:00:04 GMT
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Jul 21, 2019 5:21:20 GMT
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 21, 2019 5:21:20 GMT
I seen them at a Wal-Mart at a very rural location. I know they have been back for a while but to see them in such a backwater made me think they have become mainstream and not just a niche or a nostalgia thing. And vinyl inevitably wore out. I took care of mine, had the little lint cleaner thing, changed the needle on my turntable regularly, handled them on the edges, the whole nine yards. But the grooves still wore out. And I had the plastic covers for the albums too. You had to plan your day around getting a record out and putting it back. Cassettes too? Wow. I loved it when they got tangled in the player and you had to spend hours rewinding them with a pencil in the wheels. Or when they snapped at the end or broke and you had to try and splice the the tape together. I was joking but there isn't an 8-Track comeback soon?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 21, 2019 5:31:54 GMT
I think djs like records to flip and scratch.
I have a work colleague I always talk music with. He's a big vinyl collector. I said outside of the warm sound, doesn't it aggravate to have to keep getting up and changing the record? But he's not a big drinker so it doesn't bother him.
You could go to a yard sale and get a beat up John Denver album for a dime to scratch like a DJ. It would sound better than John Denver (apologies to the JD fans here. My mother thought the Sun rose and set by that blonde singer. I have his music seared into my skull. I have trouble thinking of "Mother Nature's Son" as a Beatles song because I heard him warble it so much.)
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Jul 21, 2019 12:53:45 GMT
Post by Fox in the Snow on Jul 21, 2019 12:53:45 GMT
The collectable artifact, perhaps? People can get music more or less for free now with streaming and downloading. If they're going to pay for a physical copy the vinyl looks/feels more interesting and authentic and cover art has never really translated to the smaller CD format IMO.
For the "record" I mainly just stream now but I still buy CDs occasionally and don't even have a turntable.
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Jul 21, 2019 13:34:57 GMT
Post by hitchcockthelegend on Jul 21, 2019 13:34:57 GMT
I was hoping this was going to be about the awesome film of the same name -  |
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Jul 21, 2019 14:45:36 GMT
Post by Vodkie on Jul 21, 2019 14:45:36 GMT
besides Walmart, I've also seen records at FYE, Target and best buy
I was more in shock when I saw A cassette at Target for The soundtrack to Netflix's "Stranger things" and an anniversary cassette of britney spears' first album
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Post by Zos on Jul 21, 2019 16:39:58 GMT
It's a pointless discussion to have, it's a tactile thing and a whole experience with the music we listen to and interact with that we get further and further away from with mp3 and streaming. As a person in my late 50's I grew up travelling miles to find bootlegs and specialist shops and all the things that make you fall in love with the medium that you just can't get sitting on your backside at a computer pressing a button.
I will use hi def FLAC copies for convenience away from home but vinyl and CD at a push is still my go to position. I buy at least a few albums still a month and a lot of the time you get a useful FLAC code to use for a digital copy.
The idea of having a non physical record collection in the cloud or even worse just streaming vbr mp3 is utterly anathema to me. Convenience is no substitute for genuine love.
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Jul 21, 2019 16:45:42 GMT
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 21, 2019 16:45:42 GMT
The collectable artifact, perhaps? People can get music more or less for free now with streaming and downloading. If they're going to pay for a physical copy the vinyl looks/feels more interesting and authentic and cover art has never really translated to the smaller CD format IMO. For the "record" I mainly just stream now but I still buy CDs occasionally and don't even have a turntable. That's what I thought at first. Nostalgia, collectability, the desire to have music you can hold in your hands, status, whatever. But, like I said, this Wal-Mart was in a very rural area. Not a place for Millennials with a lot of disposable income. There was old stuff, Beatles, Dylan and some newer stuff in the old record bins. It just made me seen how mainstream the Vinyl comeback had become. I just can't believe people would willingly go back to records.
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Jul 21, 2019 17:21:13 GMT
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Post by theshape25 on Jul 21, 2019 17:21:13 GMT
Probably nostalgia for the people who grew up when that was the way music was listened to, and for those who wasn't around back then its a different way to experience music.
I was a kid in the 80s, so by the time I started listening to music cassettes and CDs where what I bought.
A few years ago I got a record player for Christmas, and I started to accumulate a collection of some of my favorite albums. Is it the most convenient way to listen to music? No, especially if you like to skip tracks on an album, but if you like to pour yourself a drink and just sit back and listen to an album in its entirety its a nice way to do it.
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Jul 21, 2019 23:12:01 GMT
Post by Fox in the Snow on Jul 21, 2019 23:12:01 GMT
The collectable artifact, perhaps? People can get music more or less for free now with streaming and downloading. If they're going to pay for a physical copy the vinyl looks/feels more interesting and authentic and cover art has never really translated to the smaller CD format IMO. For the "record" I mainly just stream now but I still buy CDs occasionally and don't even have a turntable. That's what I thought at first. Nostalgia, collectability, the desire to have music you can hold in your hands, status, whatever. But, like I said, this Wal-Mart was in a very rural area. Not a place for Millennials with a lot of disposable income. There was old stuff, Beatles, Dylan and some newer stuff in the old record bins. It just made me seen how mainstream the Vinyl comeback had become. I just can't believe people would willingly go back to records. I don't know, I guess the appeal is just widening. A lot of those who grew up with vinyl are now at an age where they make up a large part of ("mainstream") culture and this is one way they're reliving their youth? How about this one for the cassette revival BURZUM 15 Cassette, deluxe collectors box 
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Jul 22, 2019 11:49:52 GMT
Post by sostie on Jul 22, 2019 11:49:52 GMT
I never stopped buying (have collected since the 80s). I used to buy loads of CDs as well - buying them has dropped off whereas the vinyl buying has increased. Personally I do think the sound is better, and I love the packaging on a lot. It's the one area where album art work can still be appreciated. Also while rooting around for old vinyl I have discovered many albums I probably never have listened to if looking through old CDs.
As for why it has become more popular over the years I'm not sure. It is irritating though...I also make a bit of money selling old vinyl. As a seller some of the prices have really gone up, but on the downside, where I would once go to car boot sales to buy old records and there would be only about 2 or 3 others doing the same, and the variety was pretty good, now it's slim pickings between about 10 people including some very aggressive dealers. Also some of the sellers have read somewhere it's "coming back" and think everything they have is worth a fortune, or have looked on ebay and think the unsold record listed is exactly the same press and condition of the copy they have at home. I have seen some real laughable pricing and grading over the years.
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Post by Jokers_Wilde on Jul 22, 2019 16:18:01 GMT
Record stores are becoming exactly that again - RECORD stores. 
At Sunrise Records, which is pretty much the only game in town anymore (since HMV closed up shop), there are a LOT of vinyl albums on display.
A previous poster mentioned about vinyl being at Walmart. I saw some vinyl there on my last visit. I do remember seeing Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" for $32.99 (CAN $).
I also agree with Vodkie that vinyl never really went away.
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Post by Vodkie on Jul 22, 2019 16:55:37 GMT
yeah vinyl never really went away.
It's just that most stores people bought cds in the usa at in the 90s - Circuit City, Camelot music, Walmart, target, Sam Goody, Wherehouse music, Tower Records, Blockbuster Music, Best Buy, ETC
just weren't catering to it because there wasn't as much as a demand for it
Now Best buy isn't catering to CDs anymore because people would rather stream..
Not me, I need a physical copy on my shelf
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 22, 2019 18:02:59 GMT
yeah vinyl never really went away. It's just that most stores people bought cds in the usa at in the 90s - Circuit City, Camelot music, Walmart, target, Sam Goody, Wherehouse music, Tower Records, Blockbuster Music, Best Buy, ETC just weren't catering to it because there wasn't as much as a demand for it Now Best buy isn't catering to CDs anymore because people would rather stream.. Not me, I need a physical copy on my shelf Every department store had a record department. JC Penney's, Sears, K-Mart etc. You could go there and get the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack and The Wall there. And the big C/W records I'm sure. We had National Record Mart and Cavages for a better selection. If you wanted something more obscure or an older album, Led Zeppelin II or a Supremes disk, you went there. Rochester had a place called House of Guitars. They primarily sold guitars (glad I could clear that up for you!) but they also had every rock record in existence. From 50's stuff, to early early stuff from big Rock artists to up and coming bands (first place I heard of Def Leppard). We would have wet ourselves if the internet existed back then,
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Post by Ass_E9 on Jul 22, 2019 18:07:20 GMT
Currently I don't see myself investing in one of these:  |
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Jul 23, 2019 2:01:16 GMT
Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 23, 2019 2:01:16 GMT
Film and film cameras including black & white have made a comeback. You can buy b&w cameras and film (for filming and stills) and Mike's Camera shops. Before their comeback I remember a show doing a segment on the LAST store at where you could buy film and film cameras in the US.
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Jul 23, 2019 3:24:08 GMT
Post by 博:Dr.BLΔD€:锯 on Jul 23, 2019 3:24:08 GMT
I think there is a place for every format .....and you shouldn't let it wind YOU up.
The downsides to having vinyl that you mentioned are general to someone who never looks after the records and equipment.....but most collectors have that mindset and desire to keep stuff clean , the right temperature, and staunch unwillingness to lend it to others.....thus alleviating a lot of those 'smallpox' problems.
There is a nostalgia thing there as with any collector of beautiful things. The accessibility to download music is a great thing but also often charmless when compared to the absolute joy of rummaging and shopping and browsing and finding that gem . The same with kindle vs books or digital cameras vs darkrooms .
I know quite a few folk who enjoy the darkroom and procedure of developing photos as opposed to instant selfies.
I am a music junkie and as well as having most digital formats, which I again acknowledge are great but I hugely love my antique gramophone player, record player, cassette player, CD player and other formats.
And I'm also looking to get another 8-Track player.
I would not part with my plastic sleeve covered collection of 60's Beatles , Stones, Elvis etc e.p.s for all the tea in China.
Pieces of magic like that, that look and smell good and sound great will never be completely replaced by instant button clicking to stick art on a tablet or mobile whilst your playing Mariocart .
Hence the so-called resurgence of vinyl.
As long as there are collectors and lovers of nostalgia and beauty.....vinyl will never fully diminish.
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Jul 23, 2019 5:07:44 GMT
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 23, 2019 5:07:44 GMT
I think there is a place for every format .....and you shouldn't let it wind YOU up. The downsides to having vinyl that you mentioned are general to someone who never looks after the records and equipment.....but most collectors have that mindset and desire to keep stuff clean , the right temperature, and staunch unwillingness to lend it to others.....thus alleviating a lot of those 'smallpox' problems. There is a nostalgia thing there as with any collector of beautiful things. The accessibility to download music is a great thing but also often charmless when compared ton the absolute joy of rummaging and shopping and browsing and finding that gem . The same with kindle vs books or digital cameras vs darkrooms . I know quite a few folk who enjoy the darkroom and procedure of developing photos as opposed to instant selfies. I am a music junkie and as well as having most digital formats, which I again acknowledge are great but I hugely love my antique gramophone player, record player, cassette player, CD player and other formats. And I'm also looking to get another 8-Tack player. I would not part with my plastic sleeve covered collection of 60's Beatles , Stones, Elvis etc e.p.s for all the tea in China. Pieces of magic like that, that look and smell good and sound great will never be completely replaced by instant button clicking to stick art on a tablet or mobile whilst your playing Mariocart . Hence the so-called resurgence of vinyl. As long as there are collectors and lovers of nostalgia and beauty.....vinyl will never fully diminish. It’s not winding me up. I’m just trying to figure out why people want to go backwards. It seems like wanting an old Black and White TV and a rotary phone glued to the wall. To listen to a record, you have to carefully take it out of the sleeve, put it gently on the turntable, place the needle gently on the record and sit back and listen to the few songs on the one side. As opposed to having a kajillion songs in my pocket. If that’s someone’s cup of tea, cool. I just never thought it would become this popular.
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