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Post by thenolan on Jul 21, 2019 8:38:46 GMT
For a time travel movie and a chance to do something different than the average joe MCU movie. Some things I didn't like.
Fat thor Final battle
Poor time travel plot
disjointed story telling Spiderman uneven tone.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 21, 2019 9:13:32 GMT
Thats 95 percent of the mcu waste of potienal. Fat and fortnite thor lol
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Post by thenolan on Jul 21, 2019 9:31:27 GMT
Thats 95 percent of the mcu waste of potienal. Fat and fortnite thor lol The time travel plot too. I'm sure it must have gotten a big discussion on this board on how bad and contrived it was.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 10:28:23 GMT
For a time travel movie and a chance to do something different than the average joe MCU movie. Some things I didn't like.
Fat thor Final battle
Poor time travel plot
disjointed story telling Spiderman uneven tone.
Fat Thor was different ... a main character dying in the final battle was different ... a time travel plot that didn't copy Back to the Future was different. Critics loved it, audiences have made it the highest grossing movie of all time ... looks like they did ok. Now, you are going to tell us how they could have made it even better?
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Post by James on Jul 21, 2019 10:51:49 GMT
I can see where you’re coming from with most of your list of problems, but there’s no way that final battle sucked.
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Post by thenolan on Jul 21, 2019 13:51:23 GMT
For a time travel movie and a chance to do something different than the average joe MCU movie. Some things I didn't like.
Fat thor Final battle
Poor time travel plot
disjointed story telling Spiderman uneven tone.
Fat Thor was different ... a main character dying in the final battle was different ... a time travel plot that didn't copy Back to the Future was different. Critics loved it, audiences have made it the highest grossing movie of all time ... looks like they did ok. Now, you are going to tell us how they could have made it even better? No fat thor
a coherent time travel plot that is relevant for the entire film
Not another big massive cgi battle, Loki already did.
I never wholeheartedly liked Avatar. The highest grossing movie has no impact for me.
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Post by thenolan on Jul 21, 2019 13:54:09 GMT
I can see where you’re coming from with most of your list of problems, but there’s no way that final battle sucked. It sucks from a writing's POV. its the 4th time an Avengers final battle has done this. It should have stopped with Loki.
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Post by James on Jul 21, 2019 14:17:21 GMT
I can see where you’re coming from with most of your list of problems, but there’s no way that final battle sucked. It sucks from a writing's POV. its the 4th time an Avengers final battle has done this. It should have stopped with Loki. Not sure what else you would expect from an Avengers movie. There had to be a final fight. |
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jul 21, 2019 14:43:50 GMT
For a time travel movie and a chance to do something different than the average joe MCU movie. Some things I didn't like.
Fat thor Final battle
Poor time travel plot
disjointed story telling Spiderman uneven tone.
Fat Thor was different ... a main character dying in the final battle was different ... a time travel plot that didn't copy Back to the Future was different. Critics loved it, audiences have made it the highest grossing movie of all time ... looks like they did ok. Now, you are going to tell us how they could have made it even better? Critics have a thing for certain types of blockbusters, even Star Trek Into Darkness got a great reception. |
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 15:04:06 GMT
Fat Thor was different ... a main character dying in the final battle was different ... a time travel plot that didn't copy Back to the Future was different. Critics loved it, audiences have made it the highest grossing movie of all time ... looks like they did ok. Now, you are going to tell us how they could have made it even better? No fat thor
a coherent time travel plot that is relevant for the entire film
Not another big massive cgi battle, Loki already did.
I never wholeheartedly liked Avatar. The highest grossing movie has no impact for me.
What was great about Endgame was how each Avenger dealt with the aftermath of the snap differently. How it transformed them. Thor descended into depression and apathy. What, you wanted everyone to just stay the same? The time travel plot was pretty coherent to those who listened to the movie. For those who thought it used the same temporal mechanics as Back to the Future, despite the movie specifically saying it did not, well, those dim bulbs were mighty confused. Are you part of that (very small) group? Another very small group would be those who didn't want to see an epic battle at the end. It kinda looks like your version of Endgame would have been a complete mess.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jul 21, 2019 15:08:17 GMT
Yeah I’m so tired of movies about war having big battles. Like how stupid is that? Cap should’ve arrested Thanos then the entire third act could’ve been the trial of Thanos. Foggy Nelson as the prosecutor, Karl Urban as a Judge named Dredd, then of course we see every single MCU character take the stand. Now what a great film that would’ve been.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 15:14:16 GMT
Yeah I’m so tired of movies about war having big battles. Like how stupid is that? Cap should’ve arrested Thanos then the entire third act could’ve been the trial of Thanos. Foggy Nelson as the prosecutor, Karl Urban as a Judge named Dredd, then of course we see every single MCU character take the stand. Now what a great film that would’ve been. Courtroom dramas can be very compelling!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 21, 2019 16:06:46 GMT
For a time travel movie and a chance to do something different than the average joe MCU movie. Some things I didn't like.
Fat thor Final battle
Poor time travel plot
disjointed story telling Spiderman uneven tone.
Yep, I've also pointed out many of those negatives. But many MCU fans here attacked me for it because they didn't like dissenting and negative opinions of MCU movies.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 21, 2019 16:11:49 GMT
Thats 95 percent of the mcu waste of potienal. Fat and fortnite thor lol The time travel plot too. I'm sure it must have gotten a big discussion on this board on how bad and contrived it was. Yep, the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. Aside from the fact that that when past Thanos and his army traveled to 2023 and thus skipped over the events of Infinity War (which means that the events of Infinity War, such as the snap, should've never happened since Thanos and his army were no longer present in 2018 for those events), the final battle in 2023 shouldn't have happened because past Nebula has access to 2023 Nebula's memories so past Nebula would know that past Thanos would be defeated in 2023 by Iron Man and thus past Thanos would also know and wouldn't travel with his army to 2023 and instead just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone.
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Post by dazz on Jul 21, 2019 17:00:00 GMT
Great we got a new troll for DC-Fan to play with hallelujah.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 21, 2019 17:08:00 GMT
Oh you're new here. Moving on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 17:14:37 GMT
I'm fine with it. There's a couple of things I don't love, but I don't know how I would have done them differently.
I was sure Captain America was the hero of the MCU, but it was poetic for Iron Man to lay down on the wire, or 'cut the wire'. The time travel made sense to me the first time. I like how the characters for whom it's obvious are the extraterrestrials who don't watch movies: Nebula, etc. What occurred in Endgame was disguised by Bender in an episode of Futurama as "time travel 101".
I'm just relieved the sendoff was good. By and large, it was well received. In contrast to Game of Thrones, the Disney Star Wars, and even The Sorpanos.
What's the deal with Spiderman? I didn't think anything he did was offensive or inoffensive. That's the only one on the list that stands out as new (or unexplained) to me.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
The time travel plot too. I'm sure it must have gotten a big discussion on this board on how bad and contrived it was. Yep, the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. Aside from the fact that that when past Thanos and his army traveled to 2023 and thus skipped over the events of Infinity War (which means that the events of Infinity War, such as the snap, should've never happened since Thanos and his army were no longer present in 2018 for those events), the final battle in 2023 shouldn't have happened because past Nebula has access to 2023 Nebula's memories so past Nebula would know that past Thanos would be defeated in 2023 by Iron Man and thus past Thanos would also know and wouldn't travel with his army to 2023 and instead just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone. I'll explain this for the sake of thenolan. Dcfan has already demonstrated his inability to understand the temporal mechanics as described (with pictures, even!) and demonstrated in Endgame. In the Endgame (fictional) universe, you can not change the past. What happened, happened. If you go back in time, you create an alternate timeline that branches off from the original timeline. The alternate timeline begins as a duplicate of the original timeline except it now has it's own path to forge. Events can, and probably will, unfold differently in the new timeline. "Past Thanos" and his army was from an alternate timeline. They jumped time (and timelines) to get to 2023 of the original timeline. The events of the original Thanos in the original timeline still occurred. "Past Nebula" was also from the alternate timeline. She could access the original Nebula's memories. Memories are of events that have already occurred. In 2023 of the original timeline, the defeat of Thanos had yet to occur, therefore no memories. In the Endgame (fictional) universe, you can not travel to the future of a timeline. By definition, the future has yet to occur. "Past Thanos" could have traveled to the past of the original timeline and killed Tony Stark in 2018. However, all that would have done is create yet another branching timeline. The original timeline would have remained unchanged. The only way "past Thanos" could stop the "original" Avengers without creating another timeline was to travel to the present of the original timeline. dcfan's only rebuke to all this is that the characters in the movie were lying when they discussed time travel ... and all the things we saw, that conformed to the established time travel rules, were actually wrong ... because they did not follow the Back to the Future rules. We're all still laughing at this explanation of his. 
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Post by poutinep on Jul 22, 2019 0:10:52 GMT
The time travel plot too. I'm sure it must have gotten a big discussion on this board on how bad and contrived it was. Yep, the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. Aside from the fact that that when past Thanos and his army traveled to 2023 and thus skipped over the events of Infinity War (which means that the events of Infinity War, such as the snap, should've never happened since Thanos and his army were no longer present in 2018 for those events), the final battle in 2023 shouldn't have happened because past Nebula has access to 2023 Nebula's memories so past Nebula would know that past Thanos would be defeated in 2023 by Iron Man and thus past Thanos would also know and wouldn't travel with his army to 2023 and instead just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone. None of what you just said makes any sense because you still don't understand the time travel rules because you haven't seen the movie.
You can't travel back in time in your own timeline, and you can't change past events in your timeline. When The Avengers went back in time, they created an alternate reality. Example, they couldn't have traveled to the Battle of Titan and defeated Thanos there to prevent him from getting the Time Stone. This whole Nebula shtick of yours is really dumb, even for you. Nebula's memories don't travel through time. For one, what you're describing is a paradox. The MCU time travel rules don't allow for the possibility of a paradox. Two, Nebula didn't travel back in time after Tony's snap, so her knowledge of Tony's snap didn't go back in time, therefore there was no way for past Thanos or Nebula to have learned about it. When Past Nebula read the memories of 2023 Nebula, she was only able to see what 2023 had learned up until that point, which did not include the Battle of Earth.
You're the only one here that doesn't get it.... because you're the only one that is discussing the movie without having seen it, and also because you're the dumbest person here.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 22, 2019 0:52:04 GMT
Yep, the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. Aside from the fact that that when past Thanos and his army traveled to 2023 and thus skipped over the events of Infinity War (which means that the events of Infinity War, such as the snap, should've never happened since Thanos and his army were no longer present in 2018 for those events), the final battle in 2023 shouldn't have happened because past Nebula has access to 2023 Nebula's memories so past Nebula would know that past Thanos would be defeated in 2023 by Iron Man and thus past Thanos would also know and wouldn't travel with his army to 2023 and instead just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone. When Past Nebula read the memories of 2023 Nebula, she was only able to see what 2023 had learned up until that point, which did not include the Battle of Earth.
You're the only one here that doesn't get it.... because you're the only one that is discussing the movie without having seen it, and also because you're the dumbest person here.
No, it's MCU fans who either don't understand it or do understand that the time travel in Endgame is flawed and makes no sense but they refuse to admit it. Basically, you admitted that Past Nebula read the memories of 2023 Nebula. That means Past Nebula access the memories of a Nebula that's about 3200 days in the future. If Past Nebula can access the memories of a Nebula 3200 days in the future, then there's no reason (at least none given in the movie) that Past Nebula can't access the memories of a Nebula 3300 days in the future since both points are just future points in time to past Nebula.
So the Nebula 3200 days in the future might not know about the Thanos and his entire army being defeated in 2023 by Iron Man, but the Nebula 3300 days in the future may already know about it. So Past Nebula would know and that means Past Thanos would also know. So it made no sense at all for Past Thanos to travel with his entire army to 2023 when he already knows he'll be defeated in 2023. So Past Thanos would've just traveled to 2018 and killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018.
Like I said before, the writing in Endgame is just really contrived and inconsistent.
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