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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 4, 2019 9:57:48 GMT
Captain Marvel was not that bad, its far from a great movie. But its not even close in being as bad as some people claim.
Have not seen Dark Phoenix.
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Post by miike80 on Dec 4, 2019 11:48:35 GMT
Captain Marvel is ok, DP is atrocious. So..yeah
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Post by thenolan on Dec 4, 2019 16:19:16 GMT
Captain Marvel is ok, DP is atrocious. So..yeah MCU fans slow down with the atrocious bias. Both were equally terrible.
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Post by scabab on Dec 4, 2019 16:57:23 GMT
MCU fans slow down with the atrocious bias. Both were equally terrible. But you asked a question. If you only had a certain answer in mind then why make the thread?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 4, 2019 18:02:05 GMT
OK, going in order here... 1. Brie Larson's not very believable as an action heroine and was not most people's top choice for Carl Danvers, but a bad actress she is not. Her work in such productions like Room, Short Term 12, Greenburg, The Glass Castle, Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World, Kong: Skull Island, Tanner Hall, The Spectacular Now, The United States of Tara, Hoot, Don Jon, Trainwreck, The Gambler, Free Fire, 21 Jump Street, Community, and Rampart pretty much dispel your claim that she is a bad actress, but as I've said before I assume the only other movies you've seen her in might be King Kong. 2. Yeah, they did, but last I checked you liked that iteration of the character, why so hypocritical? Also, please try to take the time and proof read this particular sentence, it reads silly. 3. Okay, this is getting ridiculous. You first claim that you like the latest iteration of Carol Danvers when Kelly Sue Deconnick revamped her for the marketplace a few years ago but now you declare it the worst version, so which is it? And in said revamp the alien species Flerken was introduced, and it was established that they may resemble cats but they are so not similar creatures, and the movie stays true to this in that the similarities begin and end with how the two species appear. Regarding Fury losing his eye I cannot disagree as that was pretty lame. 4. Because the story they were telling was of a superpowered soldier from another world who had some years of experience and understanding of their abilities but forgot they had a life on Earth and a good portion of how they go to and from the place they were programed to be service toward. It's not a bad story, the execution is for debate though, but regardless your criticism needs to be fleshed out more, as its pretty shy of detail to really support your point. 5. Yes, they did, but why was that detrimental to the story? I don't see you complaining about the changes to the source material to any of the movies or shows based on comic strips that you happen to like. By the way, wasn't Spawn originally killed by Chapel in the comics? And don't you like the 1997 live-action movie where Al Simmons is not a solider but a mercenary and was killed by Jason Wynn and a girl named Jessica Priest? What about making Terry into a white dude? How they just pushed in on the Hell aspect when in the first 100 issues its mostly referred to in narration and dialog with little glimpses here and there? Why does a movie like Spawn get a pass from you for being different to its source but Captain Marvel doesn't? Also, dude, Monica Rambeau was ALWAYS a woman, genius. Geez do you ever proof read your posts before you upload? 6. Yeah, the action wasn't anything to write home about, this I agree with you on believe it or not. Also, you did not answer the OP's question on if Dark Phoenix is worse than Captain Marvel, so is it or is it on par or better for you? Shes a block of wood period. I like the 70s and 2000s ms marvel books not her Captain Marvel Books. Nick Fury lost his eye in a grenade explosion in sgt fury and in peacemaker by Garth Ennis he got shot in the eye he didn't lose it to a house pet especially not in comedic fashion. You are telling me she has plot armor like i said in her ms marvel books it took her several issues to master her powers. I m mad at the reasoning for Making Marvell a woman,the movie says men are sexist(guy makes a cockpit joke) or idiots(Nick Fury being trolled by the cat) i meant to say Monica was turned into a child was stupid. Spawn had some problems but nowhere near as bad as Captain Marvel. Okay, explain how she's a block of wood then, saying she is such is not good enough of an argument. I've listed a number of diverse performances she has given in what are very diverse productions where she has shown to be a diverse and charismatic actress. Nothing about her characters and work in Scott Pilgrim, Community, Room, Hoot, Short Term 21, Community, Or Tara are anything alike, I'd say a lot of people who are into genre entertainment were surprised that Rachel from Community was also Envy Adams from Scott Pilgrim. BS, you said you liked the Captain Marvel comics of recent memory before. Dude, wtf? I agreed with you that how Nick Fury lost his eye was lame so what's with the ranting, I just pointed out that Goose is not a cat they're a Flerken, different species and you should know and understand that. What the hell are you getting at with 'plot armor'? I'm just saying that that's the kind of story they wanted to go with, and its not a bad concept the execution of it is up to debate though. So how is making Marvell into a woman a detriment to the overall narrative? Since when do you care about SJW pandering in entertainment and woke culture infecting the media? Last I checked you didn't care and loved season 2 of The Punisher where Frank went from an alpha male and into a essentially a dog on a leash being walked around by females, season 2 of Iron Fist where Danny gives his powers to Colleen - Who has never been to K'un Lun before in her life and bests him in everything despite his years of mystical training and teachings by masters, and the last two seasons of Jessica Jones - which were pretty agenda driven. I would say, if anything, Captain Marvel woke agenda is less noticeable than what was presented in either four seasons of the aforementioned shows you seem to love. Are you kidding me? That terrible excuse for a Spawn movie from 1997 has problems that are skyscrapers and mountains taller than any found in Captain Marvel - the joke of a plot, the abysmal visual effects(even for the late 90's they were laughable), the terrible, eye rolling attempts at comedy(Give me Nick Fury playing with Goose and Talos' slurping soda any day over whatever they were going for with Clown - Poor John Leguizamo), and the blatant rip-offs of T-2 and Jurassic Park's dynamic imagery. Really, it comes as no surprise that the director of that movie never made another that went to theatres, it was all TV and DTV land for him, oh and Michael Jai White isn't fond of it either, neither is John Leguizamo(It along with The Pest were wake-up calls and encouraged him to find projects to better show off his acting talents). Honestly, Captain Marvel is my least favorite MCU movie thus far, but it is a work of Paul Thomas Anderson compared to that 1997 Spawn movie. Finally, you did not answer the original poster's question on if Dark Phoenix was a worse movie than Captain Marvel.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 4, 2019 18:49:51 GMT
Captain Marvel has a lot of issues and is pretty mediocre as far as MCU movies go. But even the worst MCU movies are still better than the average superhero movie from other studios, and Dark Phoenix is definitely below average. There was nothing even remotely memorable in that movie. While nothing really stood out as horrible, everything in that movie just seemed tired and worn out.
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Post by miike80 on Dec 4, 2019 19:57:18 GMT
Captain Marvel is ok, DP is atrocious. So..yeah MCU fans slow down with the atrocious bias. Both were equally terrible. Next time when you ask a question could you please give us the answer too.?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 5, 2019 0:40:47 GMT
Captain Marvel has a lot of issues and is pretty mediocre as far as MCU movies go. But even the worst MCU movies are still better than the average superhero movie from other studios, and Dark Phoenix is definitely below average. There was nothing even remotely memorable in that movie. While nothing really stood out as horrible, everything in that movie just seemed tired and worn out. I would say that Jean had a better character arc than Carol. I lot of people overlook her arc due to mistakenly believing she was possessed when she was really traumatized.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 5, 2019 1:31:57 GMT
Captain Marvel has a lot of issues and is pretty mediocre as far as MCU movies go. But even the worst MCU movies are still better than the average superhero movie from other studios, and Dark Phoenix is definitely below average. There was nothing even remotely memorable in that movie. While nothing really stood out as horrible, everything in that movie just seemed tired and worn out. I would say that Jean had a better character arc than Carol. I lot of people overlook her arc due to mistakenly believing she was possessed when she was really traumatized. Oh I agree that Jean had a better character arc than Carol, but that's a pretty low bar to cross and it isn't really enough to save the movie. Jean still had a crappy character arc, just that it was better than Carol's.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 5, 2019 18:12:06 GMT
Captain Marvel is far better than Dark Phoenix.
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Post by NewtJorden on Dec 7, 2019 23:49:54 GMT
I personally prefered Dark Phoenix.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 8, 2019 4:56:40 GMT
Captain Marvel was not that bad, its far from a great movie. But its not even close in being as bad as some people claim. Have not seen Dark Phoenix.You made a right choice. The film was pretty much an @$$.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 8, 2019 5:29:47 GMT
How is this even a debate? Dark Phoenix was a dumpster fire. In the words of a Mandalorian character whose name everyone mispronounces even though there are videos of people who work on the show saying it aloud...I have spoken.
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