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Post by kuatorises on Jul 23, 2019 13:34:23 GMT
He's as boring AF. His unwarranted genius status is worse than Nolan. And adding the definitive article to a Batman movie title doesn't make me any more interested in his OP antics.LOL, what?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 23, 2019 15:15:24 GMT
He's as boring AF. His unwarranted genius status is worse than Nolan. And adding the definitive article to a Batman movie title doesn't make me any more interested in his OP antics.LOL, what? Basically, Batman bores me to tears (but don't tell anyone).
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 23, 2019 16:13:04 GMT
Are you physically incapable of responding to someone without being a condescending ass? You must be great at parties... Also, you didn’t even bother explaining why I’m wrong. I was actually being serious. His two movies are universally better than the first. Better reviews AND bigger box office.
....but you think he's boring, so that's that.
I don’t care about reviews. All three movies feel like they easily could’ve been directed by the same person. Also, War for the Planet of the Apes didn’t exactly do especially well at the box office.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2019 16:29:50 GMT
Homecoming is well done for what it is, and it's exactly what the MCU wants their Spider-Man to be. He doesn't really feel like someone who does what he does because he got his uncle killed Homecoming is a crappy Spider-Man movie. The whole reason Spider-Man became a hero was because he let the thief get away and the thief would go on to kill Uncle Ben. That mistake showed Peter that "with great power comes great responsibility". But the Peter in Homecoming isn't about great responsibility. MCU Peter is an arrogant show-off whose only motivation for being a hero is to impress an egotistical and arrogant billionaire. I wish more people made a fuss over Stark replacing Uncle Ben Most MCU fans worship MCU Dictator Kevin Feige like he's Jesus so they consider it blasphemy to criticize or even question MCU movies. You still don't understand the actual character motivation or plot to Homecoming, until you do go sit in the corner and shut up...and NO touching yourself, you face the rest of us so we can see what you are doing, you deviant little pervert.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 23, 2019 16:44:20 GMT
I was actually being serious. His two movies are universally better than the first. Better reviews AND bigger box office.
....but you think he's boring, so that's that.
I don’t care about reviews. All three movies feel like they easily could’ve been directed by the same person. Also, War for the Planet of the Apes didn’t exactly do especially well at the box office. They carry more weight than your personal opinion.
It made more than the first one.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 23, 2019 16:50:08 GMT
I don’t care about reviews. All three movies feel like they easily could’ve been directed by the same person. Also, War for the Planet of the Apes didn’t exactly do especially well at the box office. They carry more weight than your personal opinion.
It made more than the first one.
So I’m not allowed to express my personal opinion because critics disagree with it? It barely made more than the first one, and that’s primarily due to an expanded market in places like China. It still made less domestically.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 23, 2019 16:51:57 GMT
They carry more weight than your personal opinion.
It made more than the first one.
So I’m not allowed to express my personal opinion because critics disagree with it?It barely made more than the first one, and that’s primarily due to an expanded market in places like China. It still made less domestically. You're allowed to express whatever opinion you want, but when you want to puff your chest out over your personal opinion and then completely disregard critical consensus (as well as fan reviews), you lose all credibility. So… It made more?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 23, 2019 16:56:46 GMT
So I’m not allowed to express my personal opinion because critics disagree with it?It barely made more than the first one, and that’s primarily due to an expanded market in places like China. It still made less domestically. You're allowed to express whatever opinion you want, but when you want to puff your chest out over your personal opinion and then completely disregard critical consensus (as well as fan reviews), you lose all credibility. So… It made more? I’ve seen fans who consider Rise to be the best of the trilogy. What “point” do you think you’re making? An appeal to popularity? Again, it barely made more, and that’s only because the overseas market expanded in 2017 compared to 2011. It still made less domestically, and made significantly less than its predecessor.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 23, 2019 17:00:57 GMT
You're allowed to express whatever opinion you want, but when you want to puff your chest out over your personal opinion and then completely disregard critical consensus (as well as fan reviews), you lose all credibility. So… It made more? I’ve seen fans who consider Rise to be the best of the trilogy. What “point” do you think you’re making? An appeal to popularity? Again, it barely made more, and that’s only because the overseas market expanded in 2017 compared to 2011. It still made less domestically, and made significantly less than its predecessor. Good for you and those fans, but the facts outweigh your opinion.I'm not trying to appeal to anyone, I'm simply stating the facts.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 23, 2019 17:12:21 GMT
I’ve seen fans who consider Rise to be the best of the trilogy. What “point” do you think you’re making? An appeal to popularity? Again, it barely made more, and that’s only because the overseas market expanded in 2017 compared to 2011. It still made less domestically, and made significantly less than its predecessor. Good for you and those fans, but the facts outweigh your opinion.I'm not trying to appeal to anyone, I'm simply stating the facts. It certainly sounds like you’re trying to argue that because critics say something about a movie, I’m not allowed to have my own thoughts on them. Just keep in mind that the title of this thread is “Does anyone else think Matt Reeves is a boring director”, as in, I personally do not think he’s anything special, and I’m wondering if anyone here agrees with me.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2019 18:23:05 GMT
So I’m not allowed to express my personal opinion because critics disagree with it?It barely made more than the first one, and that’s primarily due to an expanded market in places like China. It still made less domestically. You're allowed to express whatever opinion you want, but when you want to puff your chest out over your personal opinion and then completely disregard critical consensus (as well as fan reviews), you lose all credibility. So… It made more? Grossed more, but seen by less people, adjusted for inflation Rise kicks it's arse, and in terms or legs it kicks War's arse also, it's odd how the sequel to Rise does exponentially better than the sequel to Dawn, ticket was War is the worst performer of the bunch, and profit wise also as it cost almost $60m more than Rise did, so it actually made less money than Rise, it actually probably came close to losing money theatrically speaking.
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Post by dazz on Jul 23, 2019 18:29:51 GMT
Good for you and those fans, but the facts outweigh your opinion.I'm not trying to appeal to anyone, I'm simply stating the facts. It certainly sounds like you’re trying to argue that because critics say something about a movie, I’m not allowed to have my own thoughts on them. Just keep in mind that the title of this thread is “Does anyone else think Matt Reeves is a boring director”, as in, I personally do not think he’s anything special, and I’m wondering if anyone here agrees with me. I haven't seen any of his films, Cloverfeild & Apes don't interest me so I cannot say I find him boring, I do think he's overrated just based on his track record, he has 1 modest hit and one substantial hit, plus an outright bomb on his resume as a director goes where anyone thought he was a must have for Batman was beyond me, like literally his career has gone success fail success fail, where he got the stones to be like yeah fuck you WB you need me I don't need you I don't know, but respect that he played them like that, but why they let him I don't get it.
Plus I think he looks like a cunt, just saying.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 24, 2019 14:42:02 GMT
You're allowed to express whatever opinion you want, but when you want to puff your chest out over your personal opinion and then completely disregard critical consensus (as well as fan reviews), you lose all credibility. So… It made more? Grossed more, but seen by less people, adjusted for inflation Rise kicks it's arse, and in terms or legs it kicks War's arse also, it's odd how the sequel to Rise does exponentially better than the sequel to Dawn, ticket was War is the worst performer of the bunch, and profit wise also as it cost almost $60m more than Rise did, so it actually made less money than Rise, it actually probably came close to losing money theatrically speaking.
How do you know less people saw it? Aside from how many theaters it was shown in, which was more than the other two, I don't see how you can know how many individuals actually saw it.You are throwing an awful lot of caveats in there. "It did worse if you count ___ and adjust ___". Has more legs?! Get outta here. I will give you whatever caveat you want for money for the sake of the argument. Ok, War is the least successful financially. Rise, which still has a very good reviews, is almost entirely universally the lowest rated of the trilogy:
Rise Metacritic: 68 and 7.8 Rotten Tomatoes: 82% and 77%. IMDB: 7.6
Dawn Metacritic: 79 and 8.2 Rotten Tomatoes: 90% and 88%. IMDB: 7.6
War Metacritic: 82 and 8.0 Rotten Tomatoes: 93% and 84%. IMDB: 7.4
Has more legs..Stop it.People barely talk about the original anymore.
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Post by dazz on Jul 24, 2019 17:09:02 GMT
Grossed more, but seen by less people, adjusted for inflation Rise kicks it's arse, and in terms or legs it kicks War's arse also, it's odd how the sequel to Rise does exponentially better than the sequel to Dawn, ticket was War is the worst performer of the bunch, and profit wise also as it cost almost $60m more than Rise did, so it actually made less money than Rise, it actually probably came close to losing money theatrically speaking.
How do you know less people saw it? Aside from how many theaters it was shown in, which was more than the other two, I don't see how you can know how many individuals actually saw it.You are throwing an awful lot of caveats in there. "It did worse if you count ___ and adjust ___". Has more legs?! Get outta here. I will give you whatever caveat you want for money for the sake of the argument. Ok, War is the least successful financially. Rise, which still has a very good reviews, is almost entirely universally the lowest rated of the trilogy:
Rise Metacritic: 68 and 7.8 Rotten Tomatoes: 82% and 77%. IMDB: 7.6
Dawn Metacritic: 79 and 8.2 Rotten Tomatoes: 90% and 88%. IMDB: 7.6
War Metacritic: 82 and 8.0 Rotten Tomatoes: 93% and 84%. IMDB: 7.4
Has more legs..Stop it.People barely talk about the original anymore.
You don't know what legs refers to do you?
Legs refers to ongoing box office, War was heavily front loaded compared to Rise, Rise had an opening weekend in the US totalling 31% of it's total run, Dawn had 34.8% but it opened much higher that's to be expected really, War's was 38.3% almost 40% of it's total US gross was made in 3 days, Rise was barely 30% and it made almost the same money opening weekend, which says less people were inclined to see War when it opened or watch it whilst it was playing, despite it coming off the huge success of Dawn and being as hyped as any of the films in the series.
Also good job not using RT properly, the %'s mean shit that's a simple thumbs up or thumbs down ratio counter, Rise = 7.12/10, Dawn = 7.91/10, War = 8.18/10, same effect but this actually holds value unlike the %'s these are the actual average scores of the films used in tandem with the % they denote not only a increasing approval in terms or how many people liked the films but by how much more they liked each films quality, which btw has nothing to do with legs this has to do with critical consensus it's a completely different thing, horror movies for instance have terrible legs typically, horror franchises though have tremendous legs when modestly budgeted but are usually terribly received by the critics.
Also saying huh no one rarely talks about that 8 year old movie compared to the other movie that's only 2 years old, especially when 1 was made by the guy doing the next Batman film and the other guy isn't making any big franchise film, that's not evens apples to oranges that's comparing coconuts to banana's, it makes no damn sense.
You seem to be the one trying to make excuses, simply put despite Dawn's huge success which honestly could have been because of the success of Rise or simply the marketing for Dawn itself, when War came around less people saw it, less people were interested in it, cost more money and ultimately made less money as a result, whether you like the movie or not Matt Reeves made the least successful film in the series, which was coming off of his own movie, so you cannot blame someone else for that. where as Reeves should thank the other guy for setting him up to succeed atleast a little.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 24, 2019 17:42:28 GMT
How do you know less people saw it? Aside from how many theaters it was shown in, which was more than the other two, I don't see how you can know how many individuals actually saw it.You are throwing an awful lot of caveats in there. "It did worse if you count ___ and adjust ___". Has more legs?! Get outta here. I will give you whatever caveat you want for money for the sake of the argument. Ok, War is the least successful financially. Rise, which still has a very good reviews, is almost entirely universally the lowest rated of the trilogy:
Rise Metacritic: 68 and 7.8 Rotten Tomatoes: 82% and 77%. IMDB: 7.6
Dawn Metacritic: 79 and 8.2 Rotten Tomatoes: 90% and 88%. IMDB: 7.6
War Metacritic: 82 and 8.0 Rotten Tomatoes: 93% and 84%. IMDB: 7.4
Has more legs..Stop it.People barely talk about the original anymore.
You don't know what legs refers to do you?
Legs refers to ongoing box office, War was heavily front loaded compared to Rise, Rise had an opening weekend in the US totalling 31% of it's total run, Dawn had 34.8% but it opened much higher that's to be expected really, War's was 38.3% almost 40% of it's total US gross was made in 3 days, Rise was barely 30% and it made almost the same money opening weekend, which says less people were inclined to see War when it opened or watch it whilst it was playing, despite it coming off the huge success of Dawn and being as hyped as any of the films in the series.
Also good job not using RT properly, the %'s mean shit that's a simple thumbs up or thumbs down ratio counter, Rise = 7.12/10, Dawn = 7.91/10, War = 8.18/10, same effect but this actually holds value unlike the %'s these are the actual average scores of the films used in tandem with the % they denote not only a increasing approval in terms or how many people liked the films but by how much more they liked each films quality, which btw has nothing to do with legs this has to do with critical consensus it's a completely different thing, horror movies for instance have terrible legs typically, horror franchises though have tremendous legs when modestly budgeted but are usually terribly received by the critics.
Also saying huh no one rarely talks about that 8 year old movie compared to the other movie that's only 2 years old, especially when 1 was made by the guy doing the next Batman film and the other guy isn't making any big franchise film, that's not evens apples to oranges that's comparing coconuts to banana's, it makes no damn sense.
You seem to be the one trying to make excuses, simply put despite Dawn's huge success which honestly could have been because of the success of Rise or simply the marketing for Dawn itself, when War came around less people saw it, less people were interested in it, cost more money and ultimately made less money as a result, whether you like the movie or not Matt Reeves made the least successful film in the series, which was coming off of his own movie, so you cannot blame someone else for that. where as Reeves should thank the other guy for setting him up to succeed atleast a little.
Stop it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 26, 2019 23:44:53 GMT
He's better than nobody, I suppose. I think he's very talented but his stuff doesn't have a ton of rewatch value for me, I get everything that I know from one viewing and little desire to revisit them after.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 6:26:43 GMT
Well he is known for doing sequels and reboots(so yeah he ain't an auteur ) BUT damn is he good at what he does. I consider his War of the Planet of the Apes film to be a great great film overall (9/10). And I can't wait to see what Reeves has up his sleeves with The Batman.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 28, 2019 7:29:59 GMT
I liked his planet of the apes film's but outside of that and Cloverfield I really haven't watched his other work.
I'm curious to see what he does with Batman.
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