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Post by janntosh on Jul 24, 2019 2:44:51 GMT
what you'd expect. John Connor gets killed off early in the movie and that Latina girl is the new "future leader of the human resistance"
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Post by ck100 on Jul 24, 2019 2:47:35 GMT
They make John a kid, they make him a cyborg, they kill him off, etc. Pick a fate for him and leave it at that.
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Post by Harmless elf on Jul 24, 2019 2:47:38 GMT
Good
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 24, 2019 5:31:12 GMT
They make John a kid, they make him a cyborg, they kill him off, etc. Pick a fate for him and leave it at that.
I think this new Terminator movie pretends T3 on forward never happened. I heard it's basically a sequel to T2.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 24, 2019 5:38:07 GMT
They make John a kid, they make him a cyborg, they kill him off, etc. Pick a fate for him and leave it at that.
I think this new Terminator movie pretends T3 on forward never happened. I heard it's basically a sequel to T2.
Of course we've had James Cameron say the same about Genysis when that first came out:
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 24, 2019 5:56:43 GMT
I know the words "Latina" and "girl" are supposed to fill me with rage, but I think it's an interesting idea that John gets popped and a new leader has to step in and replace him. Hell, that was the original ending of Salvation, of course with a white male (cyborg) instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 6:08:20 GMT
Man, I don't know what to do with a new Terminator movie in 2019. It's too soon and there's been two too many Terminator movies.
Two of them sucked, though I give Genysis points for try-- they were both not great. Terminator 3, I'm positive to this day is a good story trapped in a bad movie. But I like it enough. It's as far beyond the next two Terminator movies as the first two are beyond it.
I just hope Mackenzie Davis is the T-1000 and Sara or John Connor dies. Preferably Sara, and preferably directly at the hands of the Terminator. Not in a sacrificial way like taking a fatal blow that wasn't meant for her to protect John, she has to be murdered by the T-1000. Preferably after a lengthy fist fight on many surfaces in a factory, or in an open field/or beside a barn, somewhere where a helicopter landing pad might be nearby. If the T-1000 beats Sara Connor to death or chokes the life out of her, quite possibly holding her up by her throat way above her head, it could work.
Either that or the T-1000 kills John in a more sudden way (surprise impale from behind, or below) and Sara Connor and Arnold fight her 2 on 1. The T-1000 kills Arnold, or Sara Connor and Arnold kill the T-1000 in so desperate a combined effort that the effort kills Arnold. Arnold's final blow does something to make the T-1000 vulnerable (or delay its recovery) and Sara lands the kill shot.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 25, 2019 13:21:12 GMT
I wonder how many people will immediately get up and walk out of the Movie Theater after they see Arnold Schwarzenegger shoot and kill John Connor.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 25, 2019 13:45:45 GMT
The last movie made JC completely evil and showed it in the actual trailer. Yet that one still made $$.
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 26, 2019 7:16:21 GMT
You know something? This basically renders the first two Terminator films invalid because since John gets killed early on in this film(if the leaks are true) which takes place exactly after T2, that would mean that Kyle Reese protecting and getting Sarah pregnant with John and John being protected by the T-800 years after his birth were all for nothing.
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 26, 2019 7:19:14 GMT
I think this new Terminator movie pretends T3 on forward never happened. I heard it's basically a sequel to T2.
Of course we've had James Cameron say the same about Genysis when that first came out: The ironic thing about that is that it seems like each of these films after T3 became much, much worse.
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Post by dodge4life on Jul 26, 2019 7:40:53 GMT
Wait a minute...
At first, they explain how this movie can exist factoring in T2 quite well: that Sarah Conner and crew effectively prevented Skynet from forming and Judgment Day from happening in T2, but that additional terminators were sent back in time around the same time the T-1000 was sent back. This explains how there's a movie with no potential Skynet: they're still warding off the terminators that already exist.
However, this narrative then contradicts itself.
If John is killed off, how does the new girl take over as leader of the resistance, if there IS no resistance since Skynet never happened? How can Skynet exist to send a new terminator (Diego Luna) back in time to kill her?
And since when did John Conner become simply interchangeable and replaceable if killed off? In T1 we were led to believe that if the Terminator succeeded in killing Sarah, preventing John from existing, Skynet would have won because John Conner was the only person who could effectively stop them. Now, John is killed off, and he has a effective replacement that effortlessly?
What's the point of sending terminators back in time then, if it apparently doesn't matter if the target is killed off or not?
Say hypothetically, Diego Luna's bad terminator succeeds in killing the new target. After that, is another bad terminator going to be sent back in time to execute a new leader of the resistance? At that point, it wouldn't make sense for both Skynet and the resistance to send terminators back in time to respectively protect and kill targets - if they're capable of being replaced anyway. This would be an endless process.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 26, 2019 9:40:28 GMT
Meh... I still think Salvation was the right direction for the franchise even if the movie wasn't very good but I was down to see more of the war against Skynet.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 26, 2019 10:52:03 GMT
You know something? This basically renders the first two Terminator films invalid because since John gets killed early on in this film(if the leaks are true) which takes place exactly after T2, that would mean that Kyle Reese protecting and getting Sarah pregnant with John and John being protected by the T-800 years after his birth were all for nothing. I think it's the same thing with destroying all the Cyberdine stuff. It ended up all for nothing with all the judgment day and Terminator stuff still happening anyway.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 26, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
A problem with bringing back Linda Hamilton is that there's really nowhere left for her character to go. T2 completed her arc by stopping the nightmares with destroying Cyberdine and facing her fears by working with the good Terminator. Bringing her back for the new film feels like it's more happening for pandering and fan service.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 26, 2019 14:49:43 GMT
T1 & T2 are canon for me.
This will merely act as credible alt-fiction by the creators, exactly like Halloween 2018. For me the Halloween series isn't, I love it far greater as 1978 standalone & having Michael vanish without a trace, alive, adds to its chilling nature.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 26, 2019 14:53:28 GMT
Jesus Christ, LOL. If this is true, it just shows how tone deaf some of these movie studios are to audiences – and it's going to bomb.Don't feed me how important John Connor is for the first two movies and then tell me he can simply be replaced, oh and by the way gender swap! Because that works out well.
They have tried so many times to make a part three and all three attempts have failed. I personally think Salvation is the best attempt, but even then it's almost like a comic book movie. I still don't count it even though I think it's okay.
I initially thought T3 was the best one, but I was suffering from nostalgia syndrome. Just like with the Star Wars prequels, I forced myself to like it at the time. But over the years I realized how much of a bad movie it is.
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 26, 2019 18:29:18 GMT
Wait a minute... At first, they explain how this movie can exist factoring in T2 quite well: that Sarah Conner and crew effectively prevented Skynet from forming and Judgment Day from happening in T2, but those additional terminators were sent back in time around the same time the T-1000 was sent back. This explains how there's a movie with no potential Skynet: they're still warding off the terminators that already exist. However, this narrative then contradicts itself. If John is killed off, how does the new girl take over as leader of the resistance, if there IS no resistance since Skynet never happened? How can Skynet exist to send a new terminator (Diego Luna) back in time to kill her?And since when did John Conner become simply interchangeable and replaceable if killed off? In T1 we were led to believe that if the Terminator succeeded in killing Sarah, preventing John from existing, Skynet would have won because John Conner was the only person who could effectively stop them. Now, John is killed off, and he has an effective replacement that effortlessly? What's the point of sending terminators back in time then, if it apparently doesn't matter if the target is killed off or not? Say hypothetically, Diego Luna's bad terminator succeeds in killing the new target. After that, is another bad terminator going to be sent back in time to execute a new leader of the resistance? At that point, it wouldn't make sense for both Skynet and the resistance to send terminators back in time to respectively protect and kill targets - if they're capable of being replaced anyway. This would be an endless process. !!! ^
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 26, 2019 18:32:03 GMT
You know something? This basically renders the first two Terminator films invalid because since John gets killed early on in this film(if the leaks are true) which takes place exactly after T2, that would mean that Kyle Reese protecting and getting Sarah pregnant with John and John being protected by the T-800 years after his birth were all for nothing. I think it's the same thing with destroying all the Cyberdine stuff. It ended up all for nothing with all the judgment day and Terminator stuff still happening anyway. Good point.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 27, 2019 5:14:04 GMT
Of course we've had James Cameron say the same about Genysis when that first came out: The ironic thing about that is that it seems like each of these films after T3 became much, much worse. LOL, I know that I am going to get Absolutely DESTROYED for saying this but..........I actually like All of the Sequels after T2.
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