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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 25, 2019 17:03:46 GMT
This is just dumb clickbait, but decent fodder for a slow day on the board. newarena.com/nfl/ranked-the-25-most-overrated-qbs-of-all-time-2/This list makes no sense as most of these guys are considered lousy QBs by football fans to begin with. Tough to be overrated when people already think you suck. The write up on Peyton Manning is interesting. I suppose if you're arguing Peyton is the best ever you're overrating him, otherwise his stats and accomplishments speak for themselves. And besides, if jimanchower were here he'd remind us you only play good teams in the playoffs. (So Peyton can't play well against good teams, and that's an argument in his favor, jim?) Doug Flutie is overrated? I'm probably the only guy who lists Flutie in his top ten favorite (not best, just favorite) QBs. Most fans have forgotten the guy exists outside of the broadcast booth. Eli is overrated? Somebody thinks he's an all-time great? Tony Romo is overrated? Don't you have to win something to be overrated? Carson Palmer?! Like I said it's goofy clickbait but I figured I'd post it for fun. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 25, 2019 17:12:26 GMT
Hmmm.
Don't know how I feel about this list.
Although JAWS brought the Eagles to a Super Bowl in '80 - it was my understanding he was never thought to be a Superstar and people around here were salivating towards the end of his career for Cunningham to replace him - but this is well before my time.
I strongly disagree with McNabb being 'overrated' - seems to me the general consensus by the masses is he doesn't belong in the HOF anyway - hence how can he be 'overrated'?
Same with Eli - despite winning 2 Super Bowls - he gets crapped on by the masses - so how is he overrated?
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Post by tristramshandy on Jul 25, 2019 17:18:00 GMT
Trent Green in particular - - how can you be overrated when nobody would rank him above middling for a few years?
Without reading it, I know what he's saying about Bradshaw: insanely few 300+ yard games, only two more touchdown passes vs interceptions, surrounded by Hall of Fame talent, etc. And yet the argument that he used against Manning is the exact opposite for Bradshaw, who threw a touchdown in the 4th quarter of all 4 Super Bowls.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 25, 2019 17:18:20 GMT
Agreed, it’s a mostly dumb list. I have Peyton at #4 all time. Of the rest, I think Bradshaw may be SLIGHTLY overrated. Those Steelers were so good up and down the roster that DC-Fan could have led them to at least 2 rings. Namath won what could be the single most important game in NFL history. I think outside of Philly McNabb is overrated. Most of the rest, whatever. I don’t hear a lot of people praising the complete package that was Mark Brunell. Jim Kelly overrated? If anything I think he is underrated. Again, dumb list.
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Post by sdm3 on Jul 25, 2019 17:19:18 GMT
Where’s Aaron Rodgers?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 25, 2019 17:27:15 GMT
Dave Brown!
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Post by tristramshandy on Jul 25, 2019 17:41:34 GMT
Agreed, it’s a mostly dumb list. I have Peyton at #4 all time. Of the rest, I think Bradshaw may be SLIGHTLY overrated. Those Steelers were so good up and down the roster that DC-Fan could have led them to at least 2 rings. Namath won what could be the single most important game in NFL history. I think outside of Philly McNabb is overrated. Most of the rest, whatever. I don’t hear a lot of people praising the complete package that was Mark Brunell. Jim Kelly overrated? If anything I think he is underrated. Again, dumb list. Certainly success helps your ratings a lot. By most metrics, Roethlisberger is better than Bradshaw, even taking into account the difference in eras. Yet, many Yinzers look at 4-to-2 in Super Bowls and still put Bradshaw first. Could Ken Anderson have won four Super Bowls if he had been the Steelers QB in the 70s? Certainly a different style of QB, but I think so.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jul 25, 2019 18:06:19 GMT
No one overrates Joe Flacco IMO. Same with Dak Prescott, I don’t think he’s overrated.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jul 25, 2019 18:13:09 GMT
No one overrates Joe Flacco IMO. Same with Dak Prescott, I don’t think he’s overrated. Joe Flacco overrates Joe Flacco.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 25, 2019 18:28:51 GMT
I mean who overrates Mark Brunell? The Fouts entry is hilarious because they don't even say anything bad about him. The worst they can come up with is that he was better than a bunch of shitty QBs in Chargers history.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 25, 2019 20:37:59 GMT
Namath led the Jets over the vaunted Colts to clinch the merger's success.
LOVE how much sex the NFL has over their precious merger... while those Jets & Namath are like mere incidentals. lols
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 25, 2019 20:40:32 GMT
The Eli & Bradshaw rankings are interesting fodder. Eli of course never won a single playoff game outside the 2 SB runs. Weird. Bradshaw wasn't very prolific, but c'mon, can't fault a guy for being the right guy in the right place at the right time. He never failed them, he was never really a crux like a Jim McMahon &/or Trent Dilfer (who the Ravens ditched right after winning).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 20:41:32 GMT
Tony Romo is over rated? Damn, I'd say he's generally under rated considering the jokes people made about him as a turnover machine. The truth is he was a very good QB but the jokes took over the narrative of his career. Who the hell over rates him outside of Dallas?
You could honestly name any QB that achieved success because they'll be considered over rated by somebody.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 20:44:40 GMT
Could we put Jimmy G in this list already? He's played what? 12 games? People were treating him and paying him like he was one of the top QBs in the league.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 26, 2019 5:26:32 GMT
Tony Romo is over rated? Damn, I'd say he's generally under rated considering the jokes people made about him as a turnover machine. The truth is he was a very good QB but the jokes took over the narrative of his career. Who the hell over rates him outside of Dallas? You could honestly name any QB that achieved success because they'll be considered over rated by somebody. Tony Romo has the same number of playoff victories as Blake Bortles. LOLS
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 26, 2019 19:16:06 GMT
I don't really care about the over rated debate, you can argue anyone that people rate highly is over rated. If ypu've got someone people consider a GOAT you just highlight their occasional failings and say "yeah, not as great as you thought eh?" The whole topic just lends itself to uninformed and unbalanced snark.
But putting on guys that no one rates anyway is a little silly. Anyone heard people raving about the careers of Doug Flutie, Trent Green, Daunte Culpepper or Mark Brunell lately?
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Post by fjenkins on Jul 26, 2019 20:40:59 GMT
Namath led the Jets over the vaunted Colts to clinch the merger's success. LOVE how much sex the NFL has over their precious merger... while those Jets & Namath are like mere incidentals. lols But his career stats were average at best. Had he not won that SB or had he won it for a team not in NY he would NOT be in the HOF.
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Post by sdm3 on Jul 27, 2019 0:10:46 GMT
Lo and behold, a new NFL.com article posits that Rodgers is overrated, and what’s more, not a top 5 QB. www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037342/article/aaron-rodgers-is-overrated-why-hes-not-a-topfive-quarterbackTL;DR version: Rodgers hasn’t been healthy in years and so can no longer be automatically placed at the top of any QB rankings. While McCarthy’s scheme did him no favors, Rodgers prefers to hold onto the ball too long looking for deep throws rather than throw easy check-downs. He hasn’t had the best receivers but nor have Brady and Rivers, who’ve managed superior production with similar revolving doors of pass catchers. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 27, 2019 1:35:02 GMT
Yeah, Jim Kelly between Matt Stafford and Carson Palmer. Fucking moron. Who wrote this, my Great Aunt who has never seen a second of a football game?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 3:10:29 GMT
Lo and behold, a new NFL.com article posits that Rodgers is overrated, and what’s more, not a top 5 QB. www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037342/article/aaron-rodgers-is-overrated-why-hes-not-a-topfive-quarterbackTL;DR version: Rodgers hasn’t been healthy in years and so can no longer be automatically placed at the top of any QB rankings. While McCarthy’s scheme did him no favors, Rodgers prefers to hold onto the ball too long looking for deep throws rather than throw easy check-downs. He hasn’t had the best receivers but nor have Brady and Rivers, who’ve managed superior production with similar revolving doors of pass catchers. Sigh, alright I'll bite. First off, who is this guy? Honest question because I have never heard of him or his credentials. Secondly, this kind of come off as a pre season fantasy football rankings type of argument to me. Saying Aaron Rodgers shouldn't be valued here because he runs the risk of injury which is a huge issue when it comes to fantasy. I can't really argue that as he does have a history of 2 broken collarbones and last year basically a broken leg. However he still played all of last year mostly except for the concussion he suffered early in week 17. However in most standard ESPN leagues Rodgers still finished AROUND the top 5 in the league DESPITE what people try to argue as a horrible year while playing on a fucked up leg and without practice since week one. Saying Rivers and Brady had superior production well, from that stand point (fantasy wise) is incorrect as Rodgers finished ranked higher than both of them. That of course isn't including the Playoffs since the Packers didn't make it. If looking at QB production equaling wins well then I'm just not going to acknowledge that because Wins are a team accomplishment and not a QB's accomplishment despite MANY people wanting to argue differently. I simply don't have the energy to do so anymore. Now I will say, this dude whoever he is has some decent points. The injury history is a valid one. However as far as I could tell the coaches making such rankings that he is disputing are doing so under the assumption everyone is healthy. He wants to question that? Fine by me, that's his prerogative. The holding the ball too long has long been an issue (to most Packers fans who watch him weekly), however it really came into the for front last season because he was unable to scrabble like he usually could that allowed for him to make up for it. Last year he could barely move and his mechanics got all sorts of fucked up as he was constantly throwing off of one leg. Which can be attributed to playing on a fucked up leg every week. The check downs were an issue. Whether or not that was McCarthy's play calling or Rodgers' unwillingness to throw it is probably honestly a mixture of both compared to blaming just one side of it. Each side had their own blame on the issue. That's one huge thing in regarding why Matt LaFleur was hired as the new Head Coach. Going into the 2019 season, would I rank Aaron Rodgers in my top 5? No. There are too many questions. His injury history, the possible check down issue if it continues, and how/if he adapts quickly to the new offensive scheme. Too many concerns. I would likely take Mahomes, Watson, Luck, Ryan, Wilson all ahead of him as my top 5. I however would not take Rivers or Brady ahead of him. Brady just as much as anyone had a down year last year. It's simply forgotten about because they won the Super Bowl. However, I do not see how rankings going into the 2019 season really has any input on most over rated of all time. Just because Tom Brady wouldn't a top 5 QB going into next year doesn't mean he becomes randomly over rated for his entire career. Same goes for Rodgers. If you all hate him, then fine. However if you simply ignore that he's one of the best to play (whether you rank him wherever is up to you) then that just seems like you're speaking from your hatred of the player compared to anything else. TL;DR the dude has some points and I wouldn't rank Rodgers in my top 5 going into 2019. Nor would I rank Brady or Rivers their either. I'd rank Mahomes, Watson, Luck, Ryan, Wilson all ahead of them. Though 1 season of being "over rated" I don't think impacts the label of being over rated for an entire career.
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