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Post by tristramshandy on Jul 25, 2019 18:20:59 GMT
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 25, 2019 18:32:09 GMT
ooofff….. that Schilling trade  |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 25, 2019 18:33:46 GMT
I didn't even have to click the link to know that the Mets entry would be the idiotic Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade back in 2004. That is a perfect example of a team thinking that it had a chance to compete when it really didn't, and trading its top prospect to acquire a "veteran" pitcher as a means of bolstering a doomed playoff run, but Zambrano was atrocious either way and never should have been acquired. The Mets had no chance to make the playoffs that year despite teetering on the brink of contention and basically acquired a guy better suited to mop up duty.
Even if Scott Kazmir ended up never gracing an MLB field, this was a terrible move at a terrible time driven by terrible front office management. Jim Duquette takes the blame, but this has Wilpon's fingerprints all over it.
EDIT: Something I didn't know and my favorite part of the blurb - "In fact, Zambrano -- despite playing the final two months in the National League -- still led the American League in walks in 2004." Incredible. Trading for a fucking guy that had issued over 100 walks through 4 months of the season.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 25, 2019 18:33:50 GMT
I really don't understand the point of these 'worst trade' lists because 90% of them are 20/20 hindsight. (That feels like a Yogi Berra quote.) The Mariners were supposed to know what David Ortiz would become all the way back in 1996?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 25, 2019 18:52:26 GMT
I really don't understand the point of these 'worst trade' lists because 90% of them are 20/20 hindsight. (That feels like a Yogi Berra quote.) The Mariners were supposed to know what David Ortiz would become all the way back in 1996? Agreed. I thought the same thing when reading about the McGwire deal, that's a deal the A's had to make given the circumstances. The return turned out to be garbage but McGwire was a goner anyway.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 25, 2019 19:14:33 GMT
I really don't understand the point of these 'worst trade' lists because 90% of them are 20/20 hindsight. (That feels like a Yogi Berra quote.) The Mariners were supposed to know what David Ortiz would become all the way back in 1996? Like the #1, the Jeff Bagwell-Larry Andersen trade. Bad deal, no doubt. The thing not mentioned in the article was the fact that the Sox had a fairly decent 1b, Mo Vaughn. Bagwell played 3b in the minors and all thought he could transition to first but the Sox weren't going to give up on Mo. Keep him at 3b? Well, they still had Wade Boggs (who was in his 30's) and a nice prospect there in Scott Cooper. And Bagwell had two year pro experience with six, count 'em, six home runs. No one could foresee that the Red Sox gave up a future HOFer for 22 innings of Larry Andersen. Now the other Red Sox trade, Heathcliff Slocomb for Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek. Bwahahaha. Once again, no one could have seen D-Lowe and Tek becoming the players they became. But fucking Heathcliff SUCKED. I would have traded him for a case of the clap. Even if the two players they got never contributed, it was still a benefit to the team. To me, the worst trade in baseball history. The money that Harry Frazee got for Babe Ruth was useful. Heathcliff was an albatross around any bullpens neck. I kept thinking during Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, watching Derek Lowe mowing down the Yankees and Varitek hitting over .300, "Thank you, Heathcliff Slocomb!!"
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 25, 2019 19:34:06 GMT
As far as David Ortiz goes, a lot of people knew that the Twins made a huge mistake in letting him go. They didn't want to give him a big bump in arbitration. George Steinbrenner was livid that the Sox beat the Yankees to Big Papi to be. He had looked better in his last season in Minnesota but he just had some niggling injuries. People thought Ortiz could be a useful player, but no one could see him becoming Big Papi, the Curse Breaker. Like Pedro Martinez, he thrived in the limelight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 20:23:58 GMT
Before I read this I'm assuming the Braves one is trading for Mark Texiera
Edit: I was wrong. Never even heard of the players involved in the Braves trade.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 25, 2019 21:15:02 GMT
I didn't even have to click the link to know that the Mets entry would be the idiotic Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade back in 2004. That is a perfect example of a team thinking that it had a chance to compete when it really didn't, and trading its top prospect to acquire a "veteran" pitcher as a means of bolstering a doomed playoff run, but Zambrano was atrocious either way and never should have been acquired. The Mets had no chance to make the playoffs that year despite teetering on the brink of contention and basically acquired a guy better suited to mop up duty. Even if Scott Kazmir ended up never gracing an MLB field, this was a terrible move at a terrible time driven by terrible front office management. Jim Duquette takes the blame, but this has Wilpon's fingerprints all over it. EDIT: Something I didn't know and my favorite part of the blurb - "In fact, Zambrano -- despite playing the final two months in the National League -- still led the American League in walks in 2004." Incredible. Trading for a fucking guy that had issued over 100 walks through 4 months of the season. They got Anna Benson in return in the other trade they mentioned so that helped, right? |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 25, 2019 21:29:42 GMT
I didn't even have to click the link to know that the Mets entry would be the idiotic Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano trade back in 2004. That is a perfect example of a team thinking that it had a chance to compete when it really didn't, and trading its top prospect to acquire a "veteran" pitcher as a means of bolstering a doomed playoff run, but Zambrano was atrocious either way and never should have been acquired. The Mets had no chance to make the playoffs that year despite teetering on the brink of contention and basically acquired a guy better suited to mop up duty. Even if Scott Kazmir ended up never gracing an MLB field, this was a terrible move at a terrible time driven by terrible front office management. Jim Duquette takes the blame, but this has Wilpon's fingerprints all over it. EDIT: Something I didn't know and my favorite part of the blurb - "In fact, Zambrano -- despite playing the final two months in the National League -- still led the American League in walks in 2004." Incredible. Trading for a fucking guy that had issued over 100 walks through 4 months of the season. They got Anna Benson in return in the other trade they mentioned so that helped, right? She even sorta offered to have sex with all of us at one point!
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 25, 2019 22:10:13 GMT
They got Anna Benson in return in the other trade they mentioned so that helped, right? She even sorta offered to have sex with all of us at one point! If only Hannah Jeter showed the same initiative. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 22:44:41 GMT
Hopefully we get an update on this after Syndergaard gets traded to the Braves. (Wishful Thinking)
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Post by tristramshandy on Jul 26, 2019 0:14:23 GMT
I really don't understand the point of these 'worst trade' lists because 90% of them are 20/20 hindsight. (That feels like a Yogi Berra quote.) The Mariners were supposed to know what David Ortiz would become all the way back in 1996? Like the #1, the Jeff Bagwell-Larry Andersen trade. Bad deal, no doubt. The thing not mentioned in the article was the fact that the Sox had a fairly decent 1b, Mo Vaughn. Bagwell played 3b in the minors and all thought he could transition to first but the Sox weren't going to give up on Mo. Keep him at 3b? Well, they still had Wade Boggs (who was in his 30's) and a nice prospect there in Scott Cooper. And Bagwell had two year pro experience with six, count 'em, six home runs. No one could foresee that the Red Sox gave up a future HOFer for 22 innings of Larry Andersen. Now the other Red Sox trade, Heathcliff Slocomb for Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek. Bwahahaha. Once again, no one could have seen D-Lowe and Tek becoming the players they became. But fucking Heathcliff SUCKED. I would have traded him for a case of the clap. Even if the two players they got never contributed, it was still a benefit to the team. To me, the worst trade in baseball history. The money that Harry Frazee got for Babe Ruth was useful. Heathcliff was an albatross around any bullpens neck. I kept thinking during Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, watching Derek Lowe mowing down the Yankees and Varitek hitting over .300, "Thank you, Heathcliff Slocomb!!" I'll defer to the Boston fans on that one. But I knew that trading Anthony Rizzo was a horrible idea for the Padres at the time that the trade happened. And I'm guessing that the White Sox fans knew that for Tatis Jr too.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 26, 2019 0:29:08 GMT
Like the #1, the Jeff Bagwell-Larry Andersen trade. Bad deal, no doubt. The thing not mentioned in the article was the fact that the Sox had a fairly decent 1b, Mo Vaughn. Bagwell played 3b in the minors and all thought he could transition to first but the Sox weren't going to give up on Mo. Keep him at 3b? Well, they still had Wade Boggs (who was in his 30's) and a nice prospect there in Scott Cooper. And Bagwell had two year pro experience with six, count 'em, six home runs. No one could foresee that the Red Sox gave up a future HOFer for 22 innings of Larry Andersen. Now the other Red Sox trade, Heathcliff Slocomb for Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek. Bwahahaha. Once again, no one could have seen D-Lowe and Tek becoming the players they became. But fucking Heathcliff SUCKED. I would have traded him for a case of the clap. Even if the two players they got never contributed, it was still a benefit to the team. To me, the worst trade in baseball history. The money that Harry Frazee got for Babe Ruth was useful. Heathcliff was an albatross around any bullpens neck. I kept thinking during Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, watching Derek Lowe mowing down the Yankees and Varitek hitting over .300, "Thank you, Heathcliff Slocomb!!" I'll defer to the Boston fans on that one. But I knew that trading Anthony Rizzo was a horrible idea for the Padres at the time that the trade happened. And I'm guessing that the White Sox fans knew that for Tatis Jr too. If I remember, the Sox thought Adrian Gonzalez would be a monster in Fenway. The bigger prospect was Casey Kelly, who was a bust. The Padres gave him up for nothing. That was the real head scratcher . |
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