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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 31, 2019 19:36:05 GMT
If... Yes, a lot depends on that one word. Their answers are going to be pretty much meaningless because nobody really knows what they would do in a hypothetical situation. Of course, we DO know what the boys' parents would do... why, of course, shout "Eureka!" and go for the pot of gold... I think what's really more pertinent is that the parents would let their kids spend the night with a grown man, who may or may not have come under suspicion. Forget Michael Jackson for a minute. The parents - the two people who are supposed to protect and guide the child - are the ones who should be under fire. of course, they probably did not get punished at all... So, where's your outrage there? If we're talking about crime and punishment. What they did - to throw their child to the wolf (if you believe that MJ was wolf-like) - is about as awful as it gets. It starts with the parents. If the boys had shitty parents then things are gloomy at the onset. Anyway, I know how most people feel about child molesters. This has not been my point here, anyway. I don't necessarily love child molesters. Their darkness frightens me. I guess I am just someone who sees the bigger picture, in a way, and I know that the adult predator was more than likely abused as a child. But where's the understanding for him? There is none. As soon as they turn eighteen, all is lost... And I know the cliched response... not all people who were abused as children grow up to abuse... how true it is... So, like another cliche goes... it's an ugly job but somebody has to do it. I don't have children, but if somebody hurt my dog, I would be devastated. But - and there's no way to know it unless it actually happened - I am the type of person who would more likely be more sad about what happened to my loved one than angered by the person who did it. In other words, I would see blue before I saw red. That's not to say I would not protect my loved one, if the going got tough. But I don't know if it's such a good idea to feed the anger. And you're getting overly angry at a dead celebrity who did nothing to you is not helpful. You're just spinning your emotional wheels. My outrage against the parents is clear as I've said before in previous posts (and yes they can be found) that I also blame the parents, and that they are assholes too, and that I would never leave my children with a stranger, Michael Jackson or not.
p.s. I love your lines...
Their answers are going to be pretty much meaningless I don't necessarily love child molesters. I don't have children, but if somebody hurt my dog, I would be devastated. I would see blue before I saw red.
I'm sure your friends and loved ones appreciate that.
Ahhh... But I didn't say these things to my friends and loved ones, did I? And I wouldn't. (except for the comment about my dog, not sure why that would be a big deal for anyone) My words were for you, lenlen... And only you. Your butthole twitches at the slightest perception of provocation. I am not the only person who would be sad (blue) before they would be angry (red). More and more you are coming across as somebody who would be more focused on seeking revenge against the perp than you would be concerned that your loved one was okay. You are more interested in your own anger than you are the well-being of your loved one. This is what's beginning to come through with you.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 31, 2019 19:52:59 GMT
My outrage against the parents is clear as I've said before in previous posts (and yes they can be found) that I also blame the parents, and that they are assholes too, and that I would never leave my children with a stranger, Michael Jackson or not.
p.s. I love your lines...
Their answers are going to be pretty much meaningless I don't necessarily love child molesters. I don't have children, but if somebody hurt my dog, I would be devastated. I would see blue before I saw red.
I'm sure your friends and loved ones appreciate that.
Ahhh... But I didn't say these things to my friends and loved ones, did I? And I wouldn't. (except for the comment about my dog, not sure why that would be a big deal for anyone) My words were for you, lenlen... And only you. Your butthole twitches at the slightest perception of provocation. I am not the only person who would be sad (blue) before they would be angry (red). More and more you are coming across as somebody who would be more focused on seeking revenge against the perp than you would be concerned that your loved one was okay. You are more interested in your own anger than you are the well-being of your loved one. This is what's beginning to come through with you. omg what a bunch of nonsense.
A child molester doesn't commit his acts in the presence of others. It woul dbe him and the child alone, right? so I wouldn't know if my loved one had been molested until AFTER it had happened. Maybe even YEARS later. So of course there would be time to make sure they were okay.
BUT THEN, after that, I would make sure that the police would apprehend the molester.
And whats all this talk about anger and revenge anyway? I never said we'd gather a mob with torches and burn down Neverland and cut Michael Jackson balls off! What do you think this is? A Frankenstein movie? I've only ever said that he deserves jail. I'm not a frickin vigilante.
And by the way, leave my butthole out of this. Its done nothing to you. Classy touch, though.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 31, 2019 20:09:45 GMT
Ahhh... But I didn't say these things to my friends and loved ones, did I? And I wouldn't. (except for the comment about my dog, not sure why that would be a big deal for anyone) My words were for you, lenlen... And only you. Your butthole twitches at the slightest perception of provocation. I am not the only person who would be sad (blue) before they would be angry (red). More and more you are coming across as somebody who would be more focused on seeking revenge against the perp than you would be concerned that your loved one was okay. You are more interested in your own anger than you are the well-being of your loved one. This is what's beginning to come through with you. omg what a bunch of nonsense.
A child molester doesn't commit his acts in the presence of others. It woul dbe him and the child alone, right? so I wouldn't know if my loved one had been molested until AFTER it had happened. Maybe even YEARS later. So of course there would be time to make sure they were okay.
BUT THEN, after that, I would make sure that the police would apprehend the molester.
And whats all this talk about anger and revenge anyway? I never said we'd gather a mob with torches and burn down Neverland and cut Michael Jackson balls off! What do you think this is? A Frankenstein movie? I've only ever said that he deserves jail. I'm not a frickin vigilante.
And by the way, leave my butthole out of this. Its done nothing to you. Classy touch, though.
MJ was castrated by his dad, so you're going to have to think of a different way
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 31, 2019 20:29:45 GMT
Ahhh... But I didn't say these things to my friends and loved ones, did I? And I wouldn't. (except for the comment about my dog, not sure why that would be a big deal for anyone) My words were for you, lenlen... And only you. Your butthole twitches at the slightest perception of provocation. I am not the only person who would be sad (blue) before they would be angry (red). More and more you are coming across as somebody who would be more focused on seeking revenge against the perp than you would be concerned that your loved one was okay. You are more interested in your own anger than you are the well-being of your loved one. This is what's beginning to come through with you. omg what a bunch of nonsense.
A child molester doesn't commit his acts in the presence of others. It woul dbe him and the child alone, right? so I wouldn't know if my loved one had been molested until AFTER it had happened. Maybe even YEARS later. So of course there would be time to make sure they were okay.
BUT THEN, after that, I would make sure that the police would apprehend the molester.
And whats all this talk about anger and revenge anyway? I never said we'd gather a mob with torches and burn down Neverland and cut Michael Jackson balls off! What do you think this is? A Frankenstein movie? I've only ever said that he deserves jail. I'm not a frickin vigilante.
And by the way, leave my butthole out of this. Its done nothing to you. Classy touch, though.
Except that is not the scenario you have set up. Your main point has consistently been why aren't people as angry as you are. All this free pass business... You already seem to know why MJ gets a "free pass", but you post anyway because you want to take issue with the group of people who aren't going to sit by and be bullied (yes, Toasted Cheese was right, you have resorted to bullying tactics when you say "nobody should feel care or concern or compassion for a child molester" - that IS an example of bullying, who are you to tell what people should or should not feel?) by your stubborn POV that demands that you are in the right. Rachel already said that you were right. But you obviously have doubts or else you wouldn't be so insistent on being heard. Insisting that people agree with you - and this is exactly what you are doing - is a classic case of being a bully.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 31, 2019 22:50:02 GMT
What you are doing len, is taking one aspect that you can desperately cling onto to avoid looking at the essence or substance of what was said to you by dirtypillows . He has given you a gift here. I am disappointed, but not really surprised, because whatever it is you feel you want to express about how you want others to see you, or how you think you should be acting or thinking, only really proves to me what a  and sheep you really are. Go ahead an seek others approval if it makes you feel better, but again, it only shows how insecure and shallow you are sounding when you can only see things in a black and white perspective. You really don't care, so stop pretending that you do. Is that redneck hick you lenny.... 
If you want to be stagnant and argue for your limitations, that is on your head, no-one elses. I will be unfollowing you, you are not being worth a pinch of salt at the moment. Sad that you feel you have to get offside of those you feel are your enemies because they possess more rationality and levelheadedness than you. I doubt you would even care though, because you from what I gather, you have proven yourself to be one big ass fake and phony.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 31, 2019 23:12:33 GMT
omg what a bunch of nonsense.
A child molester doesn't commit his acts in the presence of others. It woul dbe him and the child alone, right? so I wouldn't know if my loved one had been molested until AFTER it had happened. Maybe even YEARS later. So of course there would be time to make sure they were okay.
BUT THEN, after that, I would make sure that the police would apprehend the molester.
And whats all this talk about anger and revenge anyway? I never said we'd gather a mob with torches and burn down Neverland and cut Michael Jackson balls off! What do you think this is? A Frankenstein movie? I've only ever said that he deserves jail. I'm not a frickin vigilante.
And by the way, leave my butthole out of this. Its done nothing to you. Classy touch, though.
Except that is not the scenario you have set up. Your main point has consistently been why aren't people as angry as you are. All this free pass business... You already seem to know why MJ gets a "free pass", but you post anyway because you want to take issue with the group of people who aren't going to sit by and be bullied (yes, Toasted Cheese was right, you have resorted to bullying tactics when you say "nobody should feel care or concern or compassion for a child molester" - that IS an example of bullying, who are you to tell what people should or should not feel?w) by your stubborn POV that demands that you are in the right. Rachel already said that you were right. But you obviously have doubts or else you wouldn't be so insistent on being heard. Insisting that people agree with you - and this is exactly what you are doing - is a classic case of being a bully. The irony is, he thinks those that don't think like him are in "denial", but he is too frightened to visit his own river in Egypt. I guess he would be too scared at what he might find, and discover the soul he thought he had due to his dangerous rabble mentality, is really lost in his darkness.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 31, 2019 23:14:58 GMT
You're a liar so you won't!  WOW. Now I'm a lair. OMG! You're something else. You lie to yourself lenny and make up s<>t to make you feel better about yourself. Yes, you have proven yourself to be something else on this issue and it is dire.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 31, 2019 23:21:05 GMT
My outrage against the parents is clear as I've said before in previous posts (and yes they can be found) that I also blame the parents, and that they are assholes too, and that I would never leave my children with a stranger, Michael Jackson or not.
p.s. I love your lines...
Their answers are going to be pretty much meaningless I don't necessarily love child molesters. I don't have children, but if somebody hurt my dog, I would be devastated. I would see blue before I saw red.
I'm sure your friends and loved ones appreciate that.
Ahhh... But I didn't say these things to my friends and loved ones, did I? And I wouldn't. (except for the comment about my dog, not sure why that would be a big deal for anyone) My words were for you, lenlen... And only you. Your butthole twitches at the slightest perception of provocation.I am not the only person who would be sad (blue) before they would be angry (red). More and more you are coming across as somebody who would be more focused on seeking revenge against the perp than you would be concerned that your loved one was okay. You are more interested in your own anger than you are the well-being of your loved one. This is what's beginning to come through with you.  Well, since that is what he is talking out of, it really isn't all that surprising.
Nice post you made that he just responded too and of course your wrote it with heart and soul and compassion that len is seriously lacking. I guess he might be jealous, but he is going about it the wrong way, if he wants to find it. This is what faux outrage and an irrational headspace does though.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Aug 1, 2019 2:01:03 GMT
You've chosen to disregard almost everything I said, which doesn't surprise me, because you have only the same 2 or 3 things to say... I was being sarcastic when I said that Adolph Hitler owed me an apology. You didn't get that? My basic point was that true forgiveness does not wait for so-called justice. True forgiveness comes from within. What you have in place of real forgiveness is self-righteous anger. What you want is vindication. Do you even know what that is? What you need is self-awareness. Not a whole lot surprises me these days, lenlen, least of all you and your simple-minded outlook... I repeat: talk to people you know personally, who have children, your own friends and family, and ask them what they would do if they found out a stranger molested their children. You can’t talk for the normalcy, or what you perceive as normalcy for other people. Your whole argument and premise is absurd and warped. You want Jacko punished by imprisonment when he is dead, to assuage your outrage in order for you to forgive, when you don’t even understand the essence of forgiveness and are not capable of forgiveness or even compassion from a holistic perspective. What a chump you are chimp! Your whole stance is epic fail......🙄
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