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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 28, 2019 13:43:10 GMT
Sylvia Hoeks's Main Villain ('Luv') in "BLADE RUNNER 2049" is (to me at least) the Number 1 Best Female Main Villain that I myself have ever seen in a Science Fiction Movie.
Here Below are a Bunch of Photos of Her in the Movie along with Some Videos of what I think are Her Best Scenes in it as well.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2019 14:59:13 GMT
I think she was a terrible character in a poorly scripted film.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 29, 2019 21:21:11 GMT
I think she was a terrible character in a poorly scripted film. Why do you think she was a Terrible Character ?
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Post by ck100 on Jul 29, 2019 22:24:44 GMT
Is there a day where you don't declare your undying love for her?  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2019 13:51:52 GMT
I think she was a terrible character in a poorly scripted film. Why do you think she was a Terrible Character ? She was completely one dimensional. As noted with your pics in this thread, she had one facial expression all the time. She was a stock villain, brooding henchman #4. That 'bad dog' line was beyond cringeworthy. The only thing worse was Leto's cartoonish performance. His motivation makes no sense at all. He makes replicants, and he's angry he can't figure out how to make a replicant that can procreate. Why would he want that? Does he want to go out of business? 'Hey, how about I sell you a few replicants every four years, guaranteeing future income for myself. No wait, how about I sell you a few replicants that can procreate so you'll never need to buy anything from me again? Much better plan.' The film is beautifully shot and features a magnificent score, but it's creatively bankrupt. The story makes no sense, their attempt at world building does not fit with what we saw in the original, and the characters are all hollow. You could argue that's the point in Luv's case because she's a replicant, but again that defeats the purpose of the original film. The replicants prove to be 'more human than human' in BR because they rebel against their role in society and have a fascination with simply being alive that none of the human characters seem to possess. They don't kill for the sake of killing, they want to survive and they want answers at to how they can prolong their lives. Luv is just an angry terminator who never deviates from her mission. She's tasked with killing people to complete her mission and that's what she does until she dies. No redemption, no inner conflict, not even a personality to speak of.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 30, 2019 15:39:22 GMT
Is there a day where you don't declare your undying love for her? I have never declared I have undying love for her.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jul 30, 2019 15:40:38 GMT
She’s okay, not even close to the best female villain though, IMO.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 30, 2019 16:20:59 GMT
She’s okay, not even close to the best female villain though, IMO. I don't think she is the best female main villain out of them all but as I said in My OP above, I do think that she is the Best Female Main Villain in a Science Fiction Movie out of them all.
Before her, I actually thought that that honor went to The Queen Alien in "ALIENS".
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Post by sdm3 on Jul 30, 2019 16:39:49 GMT
Is there a day where you don't declare your undying love for her? I have never declared I have undying love for her. Indeed, that was quite an accusation to make! |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 30, 2019 17:08:35 GMT
Is there a day where you don't declare your undying love for her? Or for any good looking chick in a movie?
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 30, 2019 17:28:49 GMT
Why do you think she was a Terrible Character ? She was completely one dimensional. As noted with your pics in this thread, she had one facial expression all the time. She was a stock villain, brooding henchman #4. That 'bad dog' line was beyond cringeworthy. The only thing worse was Leto's cartoonish performance. His motivation makes no sense at all. He makes replicants, and he's angry he can't figure out how to make a replicant that can procreate. Why would he want that? Does he want to go out of business? 'Hey, how about I sell you a few replicants every four years, guaranteeing future income for myself. No wait, how about I sell you a few replicants that can procreate so you'll never need to buy anything from me again? Much better plan.' The film is beautifully shot and features a magnificent score, but it's creatively bankrupt. The story makes no sense, their attempt at world building does not fit with what we saw in the original, and the characters are all hollow. You could argue that's the point in Luv's case because she's a replicant, but again that defeats the purpose of the original film. The replicants prove to be 'more human than human' in BR because they rebel against their role in society and have a fascination with simply being alive that none of the human characters seem to possess. They don't kill for the sake of killing, they want to survive and they want answers at to how they can prolong their lives. Luv is just an angry terminator who never deviates from her mission. She's tasked with killing people to complete her mission and that's what she does until she dies. No redemption, no inner conflict, not even a personality to speak of. Well, it is a sequel and as far as that goes, I found it to be one of the best sequels ever. It is not like the first one in many ways as you are pointing out. And we could say the same things for the androids in the first. That they were nothing but thoughtless killing machines since they were running around and murdering for no reason. Other than that, yeah, I didn't like it they had a droid reproducing either. How can a robot do that?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2019 17:39:53 GMT
She was completely one dimensional. As noted with your pics in this thread, she had one facial expression all the time. She was a stock villain, brooding henchman #4. That 'bad dog' line was beyond cringeworthy. The only thing worse was Leto's cartoonish performance. His motivation makes no sense at all. He makes replicants, and he's angry he can't figure out how to make a replicant that can procreate. Why would he want that? Does he want to go out of business? 'Hey, how about I sell you a few replicants every four years, guaranteeing future income for myself. No wait, how about I sell you a few replicants that can procreate so you'll never need to buy anything from me again? Much better plan.' The film is beautifully shot and features a magnificent score, but it's creatively bankrupt. The story makes no sense, their attempt at world building does not fit with what we saw in the original, and the characters are all hollow. You could argue that's the point in Luv's case because she's a replicant, but again that defeats the purpose of the original film. The replicants prove to be 'more human than human' in BR because they rebel against their role in society and have a fascination with simply being alive that none of the human characters seem to possess. They don't kill for the sake of killing, they want to survive and they want answers at to how they can prolong their lives. Luv is just an angry terminator who never deviates from her mission. She's tasked with killing people to complete her mission and that's what she does until she dies. No redemption, no inner conflict, not even a personality to speak of. Well, it is a sequel and as far as that goes, I found it to be one of the best sequels ever. It is not like the first one in many ways as you are pointing out. And we could say the same things for the androids in the first. That they were nothing but thoughtless killing machines since they were running around and murdering for no reason.Other than that, yeah, I didn't like it they had a droid reproducing either. How can a robot do that? And you'd be wrong, as I already pointed out their motivation in my previous post. If you can't remember the details of the film and you can't read, don't bother replying next time.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 30, 2019 18:04:04 GMT
Well, it is a sequel and as far as that goes, I found it to be one of the best sequels ever. It is not like the first one in many ways as you are pointing out. And we could say the same things for the androids in the first. That they were nothing but thoughtless killing machines since they were running around and murdering for no reason.Other than that, yeah, I didn't like it they had a droid reproducing either. How can a robot do that? And you'd be wrong, as I already pointed out their motivation in my previous post. If you can't remember the details of the film and you can't read, don't bother replying next time. What good does it do running around killing people if it doesn't help them live longer? Anyway, it's a new company so they are going to make their replicants different than the previous ones or learn from Tyrell's mistakes. That is what makes this a stand out excellent sequei. It is not a carbon copy of the first one. What it all comes down to is just opinions. Lighten up Francis.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2019 18:35:51 GMT
And you'd be wrong, as I already pointed out their motivation in my previous post. If you can't remember the details of the film and you can't read, don't bother replying next time. Anyway, it's a new company so they are going to make their replicants different than the previous ones or learn from Tyrell's mistakes. That is what makes this a stand out excellent sequei. It is not a carbon copy of the first one. What it all comes down to is just opinions. Lighten up Francis. They killed the engineers who constructed them to be slaves. It was revenge. They also tried to kill Deckard in self-defense. Your second sentence makes no sense at all. He doesn't want to make them differently; he wants to make them the way Tyrell made Rachel (even though that would put him out of business), he just doesn't know how. You're free to have your opinion of the film; but don't misrepresent what happens in the original in an attempt to explain the sequel when you clearly didn't understand either film. Calling them droids and robots was lazy trolling, but I'm familiar with your style at this point. .
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 30, 2019 18:46:44 GMT
What good does it do running around killing people if it doesn't help them live longer? Anyway, it's a new company so they are going to make their replicants different than the previous ones or learn from Tyrell's mistakes. That is what makes this a stand out excellent sequei. It is not a carbon copy of the first one. What it all comes down to is just opinions. Lighten up Francis. They killed the engineers who constructed them to be slaves. It was revenge. They also tried to kill Deckard in self-defense. Your second sentence makes no sense at all. He doesn't want to make them differently; he wants to make them the way Tyrell made Rachel (even though that would put him out of business), he just doesn't know how. You're free to have your opinion of the film; but don't misrepresent what happens in the original in an attempt to explain the sequel when you clearly didn't understand either film. Calling them droids and robots was lazy trolling, but I'm familiar with your style at this point. . Robots, androids, replicants. Whatever. It's all the same thing. It's just a movie. Get over it.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jul 30, 2019 19:29:20 GMT
She’s okay, not even close to the best female villain though, IMO. I don't think she is the best female main villain out of them all but as I said in My OP above, I do think that she is the Best Female Main Villain in a Science Fiction Movie out of them all.
Before her, I actually thought that that honor went to The Queen Alien in "ALIENS".
The Queen Alien is better I think. Not sure who exactly is the best female sci-fi villain. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Jul 30, 2019 19:36:33 GMT
I don't think she is the best female main villain out of them all but as I said in My OP above, I do think that she is the Best Female Main Villain in a Science Fiction Movie out of them all.
Before her, I actually thought that that honor went to The Queen Alien in "ALIENS".
The Queen Alien is better I think. Not sure who exactly is the best female sci-fi villain. The Queen Alien is not a female? Wait. So even xenomorphs have trans genders? I think you meant "Best human female sci-fi villain?"
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jul 30, 2019 19:40:49 GMT
The Queen Alien is better I think. Not sure who exactly is the best female sci-fi villain. The Queen Alien is not a female? Wait. So even xenomorphs have trans genders? I think you meant "Best human female sci-fi villain?" I was just saying the Queen was better than Luv, but she isn’t the all-time best either for female sci-fi villains. |
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Post by anthonyrocks on Jul 31, 2019 1:26:27 GMT
The Queen Alien is not a female? Wait. So even xenomorphs have trans genders? I think you meant "Best human female sci-fi villain?" I was just saying the Queen was better than Luv, but she isn’t the all-time best either for female sci-fi villains. Well let me ask you this then......When it comes to the Best Female Main Villain in a " SCIENCE FICTION" Movie, What Female Main Villains would you yourself say stand out to you the most ?
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jul 31, 2019 1:46:27 GMT
I was just saying the Queen was better than Luv, but she isn’t the all-time best either for female sci-fi villains. Well let me ask you this then......When it comes to the Best Female Main Villain in a " SCIENCE FICTION" Movie, What Female Main Villains would you yourself say stand out to you the most ? Well, other than the Alien Queen, there’s also Lori from the original Total Recall. Can’t think of anyone else to be honest, LOL. Unless you would count some from Marvel and DC movies.
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