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Post by politicidal on Apr 13, 2017 17:10:03 GMT
I know it's near heresy to suggest doing one at all but how would you do it given the chance? I'd reverse the political situation and make the conflict about Axis spies sabotaging the Free French stationed there. But I would build upon the friendship between Rick Blaine and Capt. Renault;since they made their commitment to the cause, I'd emphasize the wartime/espionage aspect alittle more but not make it into Inglourious Basterds or something. There'd still be a light atmosphere and humor in the story. It would draw heavily from that era of WW2 movies featuring Bogart like Sahara, Passage to Marseille, Across the Pacific, etc. One thing that I'm uncertain of is the romance if needed at all. I'd certainly not repeat the love triangle bit.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 13, 2017 17:22:29 GMT
Sounds great so far, politicidal. Bogie and Claude still in it I assume ! Casting the supporting characters needs to be from the 40's pool of amazing players even tho' many of them must be left behind in Casablanca working for Signor Ferrari or waiting for their papers. No romance for Rick. That ship has sailed (or flown away, actually)! Renault would still "flirt" wherever and whenever he can but I see Rick as a real romantic, one woman kind of guy. |
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Post by teleadm on Apr 13, 2017 18:30:11 GMT
Well what I have read about the sequel to Casablanca called Brazzaville, is that Cass Warner, the granddaughter of Warner Bros. founder Jack L. Warner, would produce it. It's based on an old draft for a proposed sequel written soon after Casablanca turned out to be a box-office success but was never done, written by Howard Koch. Now Howard Koch's son Richard Koch has re-written and updated the script, and the new script starts 20 years after Casablanca ended and centers on the child of Rick and Ilsa, "After leaving Casablanca for America, Ilsa learned she was pregnant. She gave birth to a boy who grew up in America. The real father of the boy, it turns out, was not Laszlo but Rick. He was conceived the night Ilsa came to Rick's place to plead for the Letters of Transit. The secret was not kept from Laszlo, but being the kind of man he was and owing so much to Rick, he adopted the child and treated him as his own son. The boy was named Richard, and he grew up to be a handsome, tough-tender young man reminiscent of his father. He had been told the truth about his origin and has a deep desire to find his real father, or at least more about him, since Rick's heroic at actions in Casablanca have become legendary." The story follows Richard's journey to Casablanca after his mother and Laszlo passed away.
Warner Bros passed on the project, but on the other hand also expressed interest in revisiting it if Cass Warner could find a filmmaker the studio wants to work with.
Now please don't yell at me, becuase in this case I'm only the messenger.
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Post by london777 on Apr 13, 2017 19:37:09 GMT
I see Rick and Renault (played by Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller) becoming gay lovers. They comb the docks, the bars and the prisons to recruit an elite commando (guest appearances here for Segal, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Van Damme, Diesel, Norris, etc) and head north to fight Rommel. During a stand-off with a renegade Nazi colonel, played by Dolph Lundgren, Rick agrees that they should not be fighting each other as Nazi and American idealogies are so similar. They tie the dissenting Renault naked to a camel and whip him off into the desert without water. (His fate is left open for a possible further sequel). They merge their forces and set about exterminating Moslems, in the course of which rescuing Ilsa from Ferrari's brothel. After killing half a million civilians, Rick returns to the US and is awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, but then falls foul of HUAC because he aided that commie Laszlo and because he is gay.
Someone on this board lamented the dearth of films to make Americans proud. Well, this one ticks all the boxes.
Big mistake to call it "Brazzaville". It should be called "Casablanca II", even though no-one goes within a thousand miles of the place.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 13, 2017 20:00:38 GMT
I see Rick and Renault (played by Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller) becoming gay lovers. They comb the docks, the bars and the prisons to recruit an elite commando (guest appearances here for Segal, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Van Damme, Diesel, Norris, etc) and head north to fight Rommel. During a stand-off with a renegade Nazi colonel, played by Dolph Lundgren, Rick agrees that they should not be fighting each other as Nazi and American idealogies are so similar. They tie the dissenting Renault naked to a camel and whip him off into the desert without water. (His fate is left open for a possible further sequel). They merge their forces and set about exterminating Moslems, in the course of which rescuing Ilsa from Ferrari's brothel. After killing half a million civilians, Rick returns to the US and is awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, but then falls foul of HUAC because he aided that commie Laszlo and because he is gay. Someone on this board lamented the dearth of films to make Americans proud. Well, this one ticks all the boxes. Big mistake to call it "Brazzaville". It should be called "Casablanca II", even though no-one goes within a thousand miles of the place. David Thomson actually made them gay lovers in his novel SUSPECTS. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 13, 2017 21:59:07 GMT
teleadmNow, that version sounds dreadful . For one thing there has always been the 'discussion" about whether Rick and Ilsa did anything other than sit on the comfy couch and reminisce about the old day in Paris during that late night visit. To make it worse ... casting it with modern faces and acting styles ... I shudder at the very thought !
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Post by london777 on Apr 14, 2017 3:48:33 GMT
I see Rick and Renault (played by Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller) becoming gay lovers. David Thomson actually made them gay lovers in his novel SUSPECTS. That is why I am not rich and famous. People always steal my best ideas before I even have a chance to think them up. Thanks for the tip-off, politicidal. At least you have stopped me from borrowing money from a loan-shark on the strength of expected income from my proposed screenplay. |
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Post by hi224 on Apr 14, 2017 6:08:35 GMT
teleadm Now, that version sounds dreadful . For one thing there has always been the 'discussion" about whether Rick and Ilsa did anything other than sit on the comfy couch and reminisce about the old day in Paris during that late night visit. To make it worse ... casting it with modern faces and acting styles ... I shudder at the very thought ! Actually from what have read, some people even question those two having ever had sex, so in other words their relationship was completely emotional and not physical,which i can't really buy. Surely they had sex once yeah?. |
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Post by teleadm on Apr 14, 2017 17:15:20 GMT
teleadm Now, that version sounds dreadful . For one thing there has always been the 'discussion" about whether Rick and Ilsa did anything other than sit on the comfy couch and reminisce about the old day in Paris during that late night visit. To make it worse ... casting it with modern faces and acting styles ... I shudder at the very thought ! As I've said, I'm only the messenger of what I could Find out about Casablanca sequel. Casablanca ended where it ended period! |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 14, 2017 17:33:44 GMT
teleadmI though that your post was a speculating, what if, idea. Had no idea that they were actually contemplating a "sequel". It's like that "what happened next" to the Gone With the Wind characters. Casablanca ended where it ended period!
For me as well ! Why mess with perfection ?
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Post by teleadm on Apr 14, 2017 18:08:50 GMT
teleadm I though that your post was a speculating, what if, idea. Had no idea that they were actually contemplating a "sequel". It's like that "what happened next" to the Gone With the Wind characters. Casablanca ended where it ended period!
For me as well ! Why mess with perfection ? Let whatever happened in Brazzaville stay in Brazzaville. Other examples , they tried to make the further adventures of Scarlett O'hare as a tv-mini-series, what is most remembered? still Gone With the WindLee Majors (!!) was in a continuation of High Noon for Television, what is still remembered? Still High Noon
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 14, 2017 18:15:32 GMT
teleadmAt lease we can be thankful there was no weekly TV series about Rose and Charlie Allnut after their little adventure going down the river.
Hey, idea for a thread : What happened to classic characters after "the end" posted on the screen ? Didn't say it was a good idea ! 
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Post by Doghouse6 on Apr 14, 2017 18:21:41 GMT
teleadm I though that your post was a speculating, what if, idea. Had no idea that they were actually contemplating a "sequel". It's like that "what happened next" to the Gone With the Wind characters. Casablanca ended where it ended period!
For me as well ! Why mess with perfection ? "Leave them wanting more" and "What happened after?" Those are marks of enduring and timeless classics, aren't they? And of course, we can address those issues any way we want in our imaginations. As I like to say about Gone With the Wind, "Did Scarlett get Rhett back? Of course she did!" The same can apply to Casablanca: "Did Ilsa and Rick meet again? Of course they did." Or whatever else we'd like. In both instances, inspiring imagined outcomes is part of that "perfection." |
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Post by teleadm on Apr 14, 2017 18:27:02 GMT
teleadm At lease we can be thankful there was no weekly TV series about Rose and Charlie Allnut after their little adventure going down the river.
Hey, idea for a thread : What happened to classic characters after "the end" posted on the screen ? Didn't say it was a good idea ! Charlie and Rose Allnut further adentures, filled with broken china, in a small brooklyn apartment |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 14, 2017 18:33:15 GMT
Doghouse6"Leave them wanting more" and "What happened after?" Those are marks of enduring and timeless classics, aren't they? That and re-watchability even after we know the secrets.
I am more a "THE END is the end of the story" type of movie goer. Guess I lack the imagination to take the character any further. Until this thread, I never even wondered what happened to Rick and Renault or Rick and Ilsa or even Sam, for that matter. Is he happy with his new boss ?
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Post by teleadm on Apr 15, 2017 10:50:44 GMT
The End is a very good thing in old movie, we have been invited to the characters story for 100 minutes or so, we might not always like what we see, but we have been involved and hopefully cared, and after The End, we can hopefully think, as they say in old fairy tales "the lived happily ever after".
I can only think of 2 times where a sequel actually became a better movie (in my opinion) and that is The Bride of Frankenstein and Tarzan and his Mate, than the first output.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Apr 15, 2017 15:07:11 GMT
Doghouse6 "Leave them wanting more" and "What happened after?" Those are marks of enduring and timeless classics, aren't they? That and re-watchability even after we know the secrets.
I am more a "THE END is the end of the story" type of movie goer. Guess I lack the imagination to take the character any further. Until this thread, I never even wondered what happened to Rick and Renault or Rick and Ilsa or even Sam, for that matter. Is he happy with his new boss ? There's something to be said for that approach as well. In the best of circumstances, it suggests that the film makers have delivered exactly what they intended, although some films, like Casablanca and Gone With the Wind, are among those that, more so than some others, invite post-fadeout speculation about what followed in viewers so inclined. And while Sam didn't have the history and close relationship with Ferrari that he had with Rick, I wouldn't worry too much about him: his income more than doubled. RICK: "My agreement with Sam is that he gets 25 percent."
FERRARI: "I happen to know he gets 10 percent, but he's worth 25."
I'm very much on board with what you say about "re-watchability even after we know the secrets." Optimally, it adds layers of dimension and opportunities for study of story construction, the thinking behind what's revealed and what's not and when and how revelations are doled out, and for observations of directorial foreshadowing or misdirection, as the case may be, in eliciting the desired responses in viewers at the appropriate moments.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Apr 15, 2017 16:09:59 GMT
I'm very much on board with what you say about "re-watchability even after we know the secrets." Optimally, it adds layers of dimension and opportunities for study of story construction, the thinking behind what's revealed and what's not and when and how revelations are doled out, and for observations of directorial foreshadowing or misdirection, as the case may be, in eliciting the desired responses in viewers at the appropriate moments. All true and very well put, Doghouse6 ! OR in my case, I often just watch again to catch the "stuff" I missed before! OR even just because it's a good film
Back onto my hobby horse about emphasizing that knowing the "secrets" on the first viewing, is a total bummer. But from there on, it either doesn't matter or actually helps !
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