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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 19, 2019 18:04:41 GMT
That's not a problem. It's a part of wrestling that's always been around. And yes, New Japan has been doing comedy for decades. Comedy is a part of wrestling. And it's not all that different from what we see now a days. It's still slapstick with over the top acting in weird skits. Whether you care for it or not is irrelevant. It's a part of the wrestling landscape. I watched New Japan up until the early 2,000's. I don't watch it now, but they were not doing slapstick comedy at that time or anytime before that. I don't know what kind of comedy you were referring to. Yes, people did comedy spots in the course of a match in all promotions here and there. That is not the kind of comedy I take issue with So you've missed almost two decades worth of content from New Japan? Yikes. There's a lot of content to catch up on. And I know what comedy you take issue with, but that's still been a part of wrestling for decades.
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Post by dazz on Sept 19, 2019 18:09:29 GMT
Hardly anybody is running independent shows during the week. If you can name me more than 3 of them I'll be shocked. There may be a couple that couldn't get a building on the weekend that does that. Think about it, most indies run once or twice a month. They depend on those shows to draw. You really think they are going to have the few shows they have on a weekday and get the least amount of people? Indies are Friday and Saturday with some on sunday afternoons. Basically nobody is running during the week. The indies of the 70's and 80's were a part of the landscape on a smaller level with mostly guys that were doing jobs on tv or they couldn't cut it as job guys on tv. That and some guys just breaking in or some older guys that never made it. It was not the same thing as now where the overwhelming majority of the guys in the business are only doing indies because there is no place else for them to work. Nobody was making a living doing outlaw shows. It was a way to gain some experience. Anybody that was half way decent was not going to spend a decade doing outlaw and indy shows like they do now because they have no choice. people that trained somebody in that period had already worked places and can get a guy in places. Unlike now where trainers are guys that never did anything but work shows in their local vfw and never even have been on tv. As far as the vast majority of guys never making it to tv, there were guys doing jobs on the weekends for 50 bucks that were horrible. You didn't have to be that good to get on tv and there were dozens of places to work. Most top names started out doing jobs on tv. The reason fans in Dallas stay in their home towns is because there is no wrestling worth traveling for for most people. If you add up every single fan that goes to indy shows on any given weekend in Dallas and the surrounding areas I would bet it wouldn't add up to 1200 people total. Combine Friday and Saturday and World Class averaged over 12,000 people every weekend. False comparison True, most indies don't run on weekdays, but some do. Heck, there are several in Texas holding weekday shows in October. It's all about getting out there. There were plenty of guys who spent a decade working the outlaw shows. That's the nature of the business. There isn't room for everyone at the top and there isn't room for everyone on tv. And that's a false number for World Class. The Sportatorium barely held 4,000 people. No way they could do 12,000 on just a weekend. 4500 actually and that's their "official" capacity, but much like how MSG could often go over capacity back in the day if the fire marshals didn't show up to stop them Dallas usually could overstuff the arena, I mean this place never got health inspectors come around, which led to the revelation that the deep fryers had rat skeletons in the bottom of it where they had fallen in and they never drained the oil for years.
Dallas could also do that much because they didn't run single crews or just single shows per crew at times, the larger geographic territories ran A, B maybe C towns, and could do an afternoon show and a evening show for weekends so it would be easy for World Class to do 12k a weekend, I think spot show wise they broke up the Von Erichs so Kerry would work one town, David another, Kevin another and so on.
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Post by dazz on Sept 19, 2019 18:26:30 GMT
I watched New Japan up until the early 2,000's. I don't watch it now, but they were not doing slapstick comedy at that time or anytime before that. I don't know what kind of comedy you were referring to. Yes, people did comedy spots in the course of a match in all promotions here and there. That is not the kind of comedy I take issue with So you've missed almost two decades worth of content from New Japan? Yikes. There's a lot of content to catch up on. And I know what comedy you take issue with, but that's still been a part of wrestling for decades. But in it's place, that sort of stuff was for the lower and mid cards, and it was never as severe as it is now, used to be the comedy stuff would be the likes of the managers if it was higher up the card but in somewhat believable ways, you know it was Heenan, Cornette, Pringle, Heyman, McMahon type heels being outwitted and abused by the babyfaces and getting humiliated, not the "world" champion diving out of the ring because of an invisible hand grenade, otherwise you got the likes of a Doink who played a Pennywise type of evil om the inside clown, or goofball characters that had wrestling talent, not normal wrestlers who just mid match decided hey lets do some lame sketch comedy.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 19, 2019 19:27:08 GMT
So you've missed almost two decades worth of content from New Japan? Yikes. There's a lot of content to catch up on. And I know what comedy you take issue with, but that's still been a part of wrestling for decades. But in it's place, that sort of stuff was for the lower and mid cards, and it was never as severe as it is now, used to be the comedy stuff would be the likes of the managers if it was higher up the card but in somewhat believable ways, you know it was Heenan, Cornette, Pringle, Heyman, McMahon type heels being outwitted and abused by the babyfaces and getting humiliated, not the "world" champion diving out of the ring because of an invisible hand grenade, otherwise you got the likes of a Doink who played a Pennywise type of evil om the inside clown, or goofball characters that had wrestling talent, not normal wrestlers who just mid match decided hey lets do some lame sketch comedy.
Oh I agree it's become more prevalent. Just as for a while blood and guts was the most prevalent. But I don't blame either for any decline in wrestling's popularity. Unfortunately, this is also a big problem with the nature of wrestling. Promoters will latch onto something that gets over and drive it to the ground. So yeah, comedy's big right now. But it won't last. Nothing in wrestling does. Plus, let's not forget the Rock slipping around taking a beer bath right before Wrestlemania. So even in the main event of the biggest company, silly comedy has made its way in.
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Post by dazz on Sept 19, 2019 21:29:12 GMT
But in it's place, that sort of stuff was for the lower and mid cards, and it was never as severe as it is now, used to be the comedy stuff would be the likes of the managers if it was higher up the card but in somewhat believable ways, you know it was Heenan, Cornette, Pringle, Heyman, McMahon type heels being outwitted and abused by the babyfaces and getting humiliated, not the "world" champion diving out of the ring because of an invisible hand grenade, otherwise you got the likes of a Doink who played a Pennywise type of evil om the inside clown, or goofball characters that had wrestling talent, not normal wrestlers who just mid match decided hey lets do some lame sketch comedy.
Oh I agree it's become more prevalent. Just as for a while blood and guts was the most prevalent. But I don't blame either for any decline in wrestling's popularity. Unfortunately, this is also a big problem with the nature of wrestling. Promoters will latch onto something that gets over and drive it to the ground. So yeah, comedy's big right now. But it won't last. Nothing in wrestling does. Plus, let's not forget the Rock slipping around taking a beer bath right before Wrestlemania. So even in the main event of the biggest company, silly comedy has made its way in. Yeah no I agree the comedy isn't why shit got so bad, it's just part of the issue specifically the mentality of wrestlers today not making things as legit as they could, that goes for serious wrestling also, or supposedly so, the whole thing is wrestling used to have blood, sex, comedy and entertainment within a scope of exaggerated realism, things that happened could happen in real life, they just wouldn't happen at the rate they do in wrestling, Rock slipping due to the beer is a legit thing that could happen in a bar, so it lets Austin get one over on Rock and embarrass him in a way you could believe it, you know it was within reason, Joey Ryan suplexing guys due to the power of his penis isn't that, guys using "The Force" isn't that.
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Post by Jayman on Sept 20, 2019 6:44:17 GMT
I watched New Japan up until the early 2,000's. I don't watch it now, but they were not doing slapstick comedy at that time or anytime before that. I don't know what kind of comedy you were referring to. Yes, people did comedy spots in the course of a match in all promotions here and there. That is not the kind of comedy I take issue with So you've missed almost two decades worth of content from New Japan? Yikes. There's a lot of content to catch up on. And I know what comedy you take issue with, but that's still been a part of wrestling for decades. i don’t really have any plans to watch what I missed. Everything was changing at that point and I just got more into the independent stuff in this country
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