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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 26, 2019 16:34:23 GMT
Usually the movie itself is pretty bad in most cases, but this scene is comedy gold!
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Post by James on Aug 26, 2019 17:28:27 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Aug 26, 2019 17:40:53 GMT
The granddaddy of them all.
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Post by forca84 on Aug 26, 2019 20:24:11 GMT
Always got a chuckle out of "Halloween 4".
Brady: "God damnit! The door is made of solid steel!"
Rachel: *sobbing* "What does that mean?!"
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 27, 2019 1:42:14 GMT
Always got a chuckle out of "Halloween 4". Brady: "God damnit! The store is made of solid steel!" Rachel: *sobbing* "What does that mean?!" There's also Halloween 2, when the deputy tells the sheriff that one of the victims is his daughter. His delivery of 'One of them was Annie!' makes a dramatic moment silly.
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Post by dirtypillows on Aug 27, 2019 2:21:23 GMT
Always got a chuckle out of "Halloween 4". Brady: "God damnit! The store is made of solid steel!" Rachel: *sobbing* "What does that mean?!" There's also Halloween 2, when the deputy tells the sheriff that one of the victims is his daughter. His delivery of 'One of them was Annie!' makes a dramatic moment silly. Yeah, I remember that bit. They overdid it/did it badly... it did look silly
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Post by dirtypillows on Aug 27, 2019 2:24:37 GMT
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 27, 2019 6:29:28 GMT
There's also Halloween 2, when the deputy tells the sheriff that one of the victims is his daughter. His delivery of 'One of them was Annie!' makes a dramatic moment silly. I never really got that. While cops would be used to informing citizens about their loved ones passing, this was a hard call for the deputy to tell his sheriff, especially since he would have more than likely shared in the grief too. The sheriff's response was a real kick in the guts too, because he had to go home and tell his wife. I couldn't possibly fathom what that must feel like. I liked the intensity and the intentions behind this sequence to make it appear as believable as possible. Despite just about everything wrong with Zombie's H2, Brad Dourif certainly wasn't one of them and I think he portrayed the grief better over Annie's death, from breaking down after seeing her body to the silent rage, then the cold look of acceptance and depression when he's sitting on his porch.
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Post by sostie on Aug 27, 2019 10:26:32 GMT
A lot of Friday 13th Part 2 - many scenes of a bumbling idiot with a bag on his head
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Aug 27, 2019 10:56:27 GMT
I'm fondly recalling a thread from ye olde IMDB boards about a scene in Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter in which a man being killed by Jason screams out "HE'S KILLING ME! HE'S KILLING ME!"
I was always disturbed by this, but some posters pointed out how funny they thought it was. So now I enjoy it on two levels, the horror and the hilarity.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 27, 2019 11:23:29 GMT
There's also Halloween 2, when the deputy tells the sheriff that one of the victims is his daughter. His delivery of 'One of them was Annie!' makes a dramatic moment silly. I never really got that. While cops would be used to informing citizens about their loved ones passing, this was a hard call for the deputy to tell his sheriff, especially since he would have more than likely shared in the grief too. The sheriff's response was a real kick in the guts too, because he had to go home and tell his wife. I couldn't possibly fathom what that must feel like. I liked the intensity and the intentions behind this sequence to make it appear as believable as possible. The point is that all of that is meant to be really heavy and dramatic but that the actor did a shitty job with his performance.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 27, 2019 14:10:17 GMT
The point is that all of that is meant to be really heavy and dramatic but that the actor did a shitty job with his performance. I've seen worse and I never even thought of that scene being unintentionally funny and I have watched H2 many times. K. I just find that line reading awkward and poorly handled and always thought there must have been a better take. Agree to disagree. ... also just to make sure (considering some conversation above), we are talking about the first Halloween 2, not the Rob Zombie one, which (again mentioned above) is a terrible in many ways, but has a good actor who sells that Sherrif character and his emotional scene rather well.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 27, 2019 16:34:25 GMT
K. I just find that line reading awkward and poorly handled and always thought there must have been a better take. Agree to disagree. ... also just to make sure (considering some conversation above), we are talking about the first Halloween 2, not the Rob Zombie one, which (again mentioned above) is a terrible in many ways, but has a good actor who sells that Sherrif character and his emotional scene rather well. Yes, first H2. What do you find so terrible about Zombie’s H2? Well, we could be here forever, but as much as I respect Zombie seizing the opportunity and new found freedom to make the movie fully his own thing and as weird and off putting as possible, it's just misguided in almost every way. The characterization and dialogue is generally as bad as most of his scripts, and his attempts at making it an avant garde art film are extremely shallow and stupid. He makes awful visual choices in camera and design, nonsensical character choices, and tells a generally all around uninvolving and uninteresting story that betrays itself and his first movie. And it's a real shame because the opening sequence is actually pretty strong.
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Post by northernlad on Aug 27, 2019 21:05:43 GMT
Always got a chuckle out of "Halloween 4". Brady: "God damnit! The store is made of solid steel!" Rachel: *sobbing* "What does that mean?!" There's also Halloween 2, when the deputy tells the sheriff that one of the victims is his daughter. His delivery of 'One of them was Annie!' makes a dramatic moment silly. I can hear him saying that in my head right now.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 28, 2019 1:16:55 GMT
The girl being stabbed at the lake in ZODIAC
She and her boyfriend are tied up and he starts stabbing him in the back and she's like
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! and then he switches to her
and there is just something perversely funny about it. Its not shot in a scary or suspenseful way-it's very matter of fact. stab stab stab stab
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 29, 2019 3:02:02 GMT
Well, we could be here forever, but as much as I respect Zombie seizing the opportunity and new found freedom to make the movie fully his own thing and as weird and off putting as possible, it's just misguided in almost every way. The characterization and dialogue is generally as bad as most of his scripts, and his attempts at making it an avant garde art film are extremely shallow and stupid. He makes awful visual choices in camera and design, nonsensical character choices, and tells a generally all around uninvolving and uninteresting story that betrays itself and his first movie. And it's a real shame because the opening sequence is actually pretty strong. I appreciate your thoughts on Zombie's H2, but pretty much of what you comment are my reasoning's for liking it. I think Zombie really got a grasp of his own cinematic style and visual aesthetic here and like previously mentioned, he made it his own movie. If anything, Zombie betrayed himself and the audience with his first installment of Halloween which I find a turgid mess and largely unappealing.
My dislike for Halloween had me avoiding his H2 for about 12months and I reluctantly sat down to watch it on dvd and ended up being gobsmacked. That is just me though and I am also aware I am in a minority here. I appreciate the audacity of the attempt and everything, and I wish any of it worked, but he just did a terrible job. Had he made a weird art film out of it and made it good I would have loved it. Unfortunately the movie is a complete mess and worse is shallow and stupid. The first one was certainly not particularly good either, but the 2nd was particularly bad. I respect taking a big swing, but he struck out with that one.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 29, 2019 3:39:45 GMT
I appreciate the audacity of the attempt and everything, and I wish any of it worked, but he just did a terrible job. Had he made a weird art film out of it and made it good I would have loved it. Unfortunately the movie is a complete mess and worse is shallow and stupid. The first one was certainly not particularly good either, but the 2nd was particularly bad. I respect taking a big swing, but he struck out with that one. I actually endorse the arty weirdness of it and I thought it had a terrific atmosphere. The violence was ugly and brutal, and while graphic, I thought the horror scenes were so well edited, that we actually appear to see more than we actually are. I also didn't like Scout Taylor-Compton or Danielle Harris in the first installment, but I felt like I got them in the second and I was on their side, whereas in Halloween, I couldn't care less for them.
Admittedly, McDowell and Williams seemed like they were in another movie at times and were a bit over the top, but they gave the film a bit of wry humor as well and I liked their banter. I really don't know what it is, but it all worked to my tastes and it suddenly became my favorite Zombie movie edging out The Devil's Rejects.
I have yet to see 31. Again, I'm cool with artsy weirdness. I love it when it's done well, but his version of that is so sophomoric and shallow. And there's also his dialogue which is unbearably stupid to listen to at times. And stuff like a victim of a serial killer sleeping with a Charles Manson poster above her bed. Fucking idiotic. And I also respect him spitting in the face of what came before and all that, but what they did with Loomis is just stupid and not funny. I like Weird Al as much as the next guy, but why the fuck would that scene be there? Zombie has an aesthetic and I always feels he's got potential, but it never fully comes together. The closest being The Devil's Rejects for sure and luckily that one wasn't so self serious that you could still have some fun.. unlike Halloween II, which is stupid, obnoxious, shallow, nonsensical... but not totally boring. I think I can give it that.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 29, 2019 11:07:27 GMT
Again, I'm cool with artsy weirdness. I love it when it's done well, but his version of that is so sophomoric and shallow. And there's also his dialogue which is unbearably stupid to listen to at times. And stuff like a victim of a serial killer sleeping with a Charles Manson poster above her bed. Fucking idiotic. And I also respect him spitting in the face of what came before and all that, but what they did with Loomis is just stupid and not funny. I like Weird Al as much as the next guy, but why the fuck would that scene be there? Zombie has an aesthetic and I always feels he's got potential, but it never fully comes together. The closest being The Devil's Rejects for sure and luckily that one wasn't so self serious that you could still have some fun.. unlike Halloween II, which is stupid, obnoxious, shallow, nonsensical... but not totally boring. I think I can give it that. Well master g, at least you are self-assured within yourself about how you feel about Zombie's H2. I myself, have awe for it— I don't often follow majority opinion—but at least you weren't bored...
Zombie's style and darkness of vision, is constantly steeped in his own milieu and perhaps even passion of what he relates and connects with and he doesn't seem to want to break out from that dark negative image he imbues in his characters. I do feel he has taken an original approach to his style and doesn't want to compromise himself, but if he can give us something that is away from his own comfort zone, then perhaps we may see what he is really capable of. He loves darkness and horror, but these themes may perhaps be wearing a bit thin by now. It would be nice to see him break his own mold.
I think it's safe to say that we are both pretty confident in how we view that movie. What'd you think of Lords of Salem? Ultimately it let me down, and I sort of started laughing at it, which I dont think was the intended result. But it's another one of his where I really respect what he was trying to do, but it just felt like a failure of an attempt again. I love the set up and much of the story, but on that case maybe he could have used a little more of that 'artsy weirdness.' It's his attempt at making a psychological horror movie, but he just doesn't seem to have a grasp on psychology or character. A lot of the issues I have with him are at the script level. His characterization of everybody being a vulgar, foul mouthed redneck, who decorates their home in ransom notes and collages of serial killers even when from the suburbs of Michigan or Massachusetts was maybe amusing for a bit, but eventually proved he was a pretty thoughtless writer with a real problem with writing dialogue. I'd actually really be interested to see what it would be like for him to work with another writer or direct someone else's script. He declared at one point that he was done with horror and he was gonna focus on making a hockey movie about the Philadelpha Flyers of the 70s and a psuedo biopic about Groucho Marx. I'd have readily been excited about seeing him branch out with those, but here we are (he also declared at one point that he never wanted to make a sequel, and that he never wanted to make a remake, but I think he found out how difficult it was to get a greenlight on anything).
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Post by masterofallgoons on Aug 29, 2019 11:15:16 GMT
...and piggybacking off my last post but also back to the actual topic:
The demonic robed culty sort of figures at the end of Lords of Salem that just sit there and start jerking off their slimy red demon dicks at the end. I think it's supposed to be scary, but I found it hilariously dumb. By the time we get to see the beef jerky satan fetus puppet that can't really move, it lost any creep factor at all and you just sort of revel in the unintentional comedy of how badly done it is.
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Post by fatpaul on Aug 29, 2019 17:11:46 GMT
The seance scene in Drag Me to Hell cracks me up everytime but whether it was unintentional is open for debate given that it's a Sam Raimi film.
When I was younger this scene cracked me up too which was welcoming for a terrified child:
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