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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 1, 2019 19:54:41 GMT
Evasion noted, yet again. You know that without substantiation, 'facts' are just opinions - right? ^^ Did not search education by denomination or any other parameter by denomination, shows up anyway. ^^ Still can't substantiate his claims about Christianity not being a religion etc and continues to evade doing so. What on earth has education by denomination got to do with it?
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 2, 2019 1:14:56 GMT
^^ Did not search education by denomination or any other parameter by denomination, shows up anyway. ^^ Still can't substantiate his claims about Christianity not being a religion etc and continues to evade doing so. What on earth has education by denomination got to do with it? ^^ Has a higher tolerance for needless repetition than I do.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 2, 2019 1:22:02 GMT
Most people are not aware, but the short RNA chains are not getting longer because of their tendency to tear each other apart instead. Do you know what that means? I know exactly what it means: your limited education and understanding of science has allowed you to get bizarrely attached to one particular meme about RNA that means a lot to you but means almost nothing to scientific professionals who make it their life's work to try understanding how life came to be. ^^ low ranking soldier defending from the onslaught of the truth what he learned by rote. The truth arrives soon anyway. It doesn't really matter during which administration.
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Post by faustus5 on Sept 2, 2019 19:02:35 GMT
^^ low ranking soldier defending from the onslaught of the truth what he learned by rote. ^^^Zero rank dog catcher who never bothered to learn a thing, preferring to make up bullshit and get laughed by everyone here.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 3, 2019 15:04:54 GMT
^^ Still can't substantiate his claims about Christianity not being a religion etc and continues to evade doing so. What on earth has education by denomination got to do with it? ^^ Has a higher tolerance for needless repetition than I do. But you haven't explained the connection, let alone got round to repeating it. You just trotted it out as a distraction from the need to show how Christianity is not a religion and supposedly more akin to atheism. Evasion noted yet again. Is there a problem?
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Post by general313 on Sept 3, 2019 17:22:51 GMT
^^ Has a higher tolerance for needless repetition than I do. But you haven't explained the connection, let alone got round to repeating it. You just trotted it out as a distraction from the need to show how Christianity is not a religion and supposedly more akin to atheism. Evasion noted yet again. Is there a problem? This is his way of winning arguments with dictionaries. He can even defeat university dictionaries, such as the Cambridge English Dictionary
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 3, 2019 21:43:52 GMT
^^ Has a higher tolerance for needless repetition than I do. But you haven't explained the connection, let alone got round to repeating it. You just trotted it out as a distraction from the need to show how Christianity is not a religion and supposedly more akin to atheism. Evasion noted yet again. Is there a problem? Yes, on your end as already noted.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 3, 2019 21:50:21 GMT
But you haven't explained the connection, let alone got round to repeating it. You just trotted it out as a distraction from the need to show how Christianity is not a religion and supposedly more akin to atheism. Evasion noted yet again. Is there a problem? Yes, on your end as already noted. I haven't got a problem, only that I am waiting for straight answers from someone unable or unwilling to provide any. It appears that ultimately you can't tell us how Christianity is 'not a religion' and akin to atheism after all, just as earlier you couldn't say what type of descent or process the existing fossil records show us. Or before that, the likely effect of melting glaciers and ice caps would have on sea levels. A shame you never seem to substantiate your frequently vented, peculiar opinions ... but its not entirely unexpected.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 3, 2019 22:26:32 GMT
Yes, on your end as already noted. I haven't got a problem, only that I am waiting for straight answers from someone unable or unwilling to provide any. It appears that ultimately you can't tell us how Christianity is 'not a religion' and akin to atheism after all, just as earlier you couldn't say what type of descent or process the existing fossil records show us. Or before that, the likely effect of melting glaciers and ice caps would have on sea levels. A shame you never seem to substantiate your frequently vented, peculiar opinions ... but its not entirely unexpected. Have you tried turning your computer off then turning it back on again?
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Post by goz on Sept 3, 2019 22:35:25 GMT
I haven't got a problem, only that I am waiting for straight answers from someone unable or unwilling to provide any. It appears that ultimately you can't tell us how Christianity is 'not a religion' and akin to atheism after all, just as earlier you couldn't say what type of descent or process the existing fossil records show us. Or before that, the likely effect of melting glaciers and ice caps would have on sea levels. A shame you never seem to substantiate your frequently vented, peculiar opinions ... but its not entirely unexpected. Have you tried turning your computer off then turning it back on again? ^ ^ I generally call this the 'back against the wall looking foolish' defence, or perhaps the' having been backed into a corner where you can not come out without stepping on your own heavily applied fresh paint'!!!
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 4, 2019 10:50:24 GMT
Have you tried turning your computer off then turning it back on again? ^ ^ I generally call this the 'back against the wall looking foolish' defence, or perhaps the' having been backed into a corner where you can not come out without stepping on your own heavily applied fresh paint'!!! There's a lot of that going around.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 4, 2019 20:03:17 GMT
I haven't got a problem, only that I am waiting for straight answers from someone unable or unwilling to provide any. It appears that ultimately you can't tell us how Christianity is 'not a religion' and akin to atheism after all, just as earlier you couldn't say what type of descent or process the existing fossil records show us. Or before that, the likely effect of melting glaciers and ice caps would have on sea levels. A shame you never seem to substantiate your frequently vented, peculiar opinions ... but its not entirely unexpected. Have you tried turning your computer off then turning it back on again? Its no good, you'll still be there, not answering and evading straight questions..
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 4, 2019 21:43:19 GMT
Have you tried turning your computer off then turning it back on again? Its no good, you'll still be there, not answering and evading straight questions.. I'll try again. There are facts, opinions, and what is found in the dictionary, labels. These are three very different things that people often get confused, especially you. Here are some facts. People who are Christians considered as a group have higher divorce rates, earn less income, and have less education. These are "facts" because it can be difficult and usually unnecessary to present false information about these metrics. The people in any other religion typically have lower divorce rates, earn more income and are more educated. These are also facts. It is a fact that Christians compare to atheists in these metrics. A fascinating question is why? What do these two otherwise markedly disparate groups have in common? It can be obvious from their own reports that both groups have no fear of a god. Many Christians have no more moral code to follow than atheists do. It seems to follow that such an attitude could possibly lead to laxity in various affairs. It is also possible that a general laxity was present to some degree first and led to such attitudes. Whichever the direction or directions we have our suspect. Now we have to write the story. A problem is what to call the various groups. The dictionary, or yours anyway, has no term for "religious people not counting Christians." When I try to develop a term to address these facts you complain that I may not separate Christians out from other "religious" people because your dictionary defines Christianity as a "religion." Now we see the problem. It is indeed on your end. Your are trying to establish a "fact" about "Christianity" or "religion" based on one dictionary definition of questionable application to the facts at hand. You never learned as I did that the dictionary contains no facts. Your severe and crippling mental limitations make it highly difficult to distinguish mere labels, facts, and opinions. I explained to you that as usual I accommodate my definitions to the facts at hand while you as usual try to accommodate the "facts" (you do not have) to the definitions, which is not the correct way of doing things. You do it that way because you have never solved a problem in science yourself your entire life. You simply copy things from what you imagine to be authorities. Because you and some people who call themselves Christians simply copy from what you imagine to be authority the result is that you are not capable of engaging reality. One way to resolve this problem is for me to use all new terms like the "circumspect" and the "lax." The problem evades your dependence on your total misunderstanding of terms. Notice that the "lax" group now correctly includes Christians and atheists. The "circumspect" group now contains all other religions except Christianity as widely practiced. Now your dictionary is powerless to object to the facts. It might also be noted though that quite many definitions of religion and Christianity are already in wide use and the dictionary has typically been little to no help organizing the groups. Notice also that my definitions are more practical than yours.
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Post by goz on Sept 4, 2019 22:03:09 GMT
Its no good, you'll still be there, not answering and evading straight questions.. I'll try again. There are facts, opinions, and what is found in the dictionary, labels. These are three very different things that people often get confused, especially you. Here are some facts. People who are Christians considered as a group have higher divorce rates, earn less income, and have less education. These are "facts" because it can be difficult and usually unnecessary to present false information about these metrics. The people in any other religion typically have lower divorce rates, earn more income and are more educated. These are also facts. It is a fact that Christians compare to atheists in these metrics. A fascinating question is why? What do these two otherwise markedly disparate groups have in common? It can be obvious from their own reports that both groups have no fear of a god. Many Christians have no more moral code to follow than atheists do. It seems to follow that such an attitude could possibly lead to laxity in various affairs. It is also possible that a general laxity was present to some degree first and led to such attitudes. Whichever the direction or directions we have our suspect. Now we have to write the story. A problem is what to call the various groups. The dictionary, or yours anyway, has no term for "religious people not counting Christians." When I try to develop a term to address these facts you complain that I may not separate Christians out from other "religious" people because your dictionary defines Christianity as a "religion." Now we see the problem. It is indeed on your end. Your are trying to establish a "fact" about "Christianity" or "religion" based on one dictionary definition of questionable application to the facts at hand. You never learned as I did that the dictionary contains no facts. Your severe and crippling mental limitations make it highly difficult to distinguish mere labels, facts, and opinions. I explained to you that as usual I accommodate my definitions to the facts at hand while you as usual try to accommodate the "facts" (you do not have) to the definitions, which is not the correct way of doing things. You do it that way because you have never solved a problem in science yourself your entire life. You simply copy things from what you imagine to be authorities. Because you and some people who call themselves Christians simply copy from what you imagine to be authority the result is that you are not capable of engaging reality. One way to resolve this problem is for me to use all new terms like the "circumspect" and the "lax." The problem evades your dependence on your total misunderstanding of terms. Notice that the "lax" group now correctly includes Christians and atheists. The "circumspect" group now contains all other religions except Christianity as widely practiced. Now your dictionary is powerless to object to the facts. It might also be noted though that quite many definitions of religion and Christianity are already in wide use and the dictionary has typically been little to no help organizing the groups. Notice also that my definitions are more practical than yours. WOW! A big congratulations and thankyou for the time and energy it took you to put in such a succinct capsule, a summary of ALL the total Dunning Kruger inspired bunkum that you have been posting on these Boards for years. This is honestly your best post yet on the subjects you hold dear and you barely rambled at all. We have progress. NOW all you need is 'correct' use ( as you would say it) of logic, knowledge and intelligence to sort out the bullshit from the banal, the bogus from the bigotry. Well done you. 
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 4, 2019 22:12:31 GMT
I'll try again. There are facts, opinions, and what is found in the dictionary, labels. These are three very different things that people often get confused, especially you. Here are some facts. People who are Christians considered as a group have higher divorce rates, earn less income, and have less education. These are "facts" because it can be difficult and usually unnecessary to present false information about these metrics. The people in any other religion typically have lower divorce rates, earn more income and are more educated. These are also facts. It is a fact that Christians compare to atheists in these metrics. A fascinating question is why? What do these two otherwise markedly disparate groups have in common? It can be obvious from their own reports that both groups have no fear of a god. Many Christians have no more moral code to follow than atheists do. It seems to follow that such an attitude could possibly lead to laxity in various affairs. It is also possible that a general laxity was present to some degree first and led to such attitudes. Whichever the direction or directions we have our suspect. Now we have to write the story. A problem is what to call the various groups. The dictionary, or yours anyway, has no term for "religious people not counting Christians." When I try to develop a term to address these facts you complain that I may not separate Christians out from other "religious" people because your dictionary defines Christianity as a "religion." Now we see the problem. It is indeed on your end. Your are trying to establish a "fact" about "Christianity" or "religion" based on one dictionary definition of questionable application to the facts at hand. You never learned as I did that the dictionary contains no facts. Your severe and crippling mental limitations make it highly difficult to distinguish mere labels, facts, and opinions. I explained to you that as usual I accommodate my definitions to the facts at hand while you as usual try to accommodate the "facts" (you do not have) to the definitions, which is not the correct way of doing things. You do it that way because you have never solved a problem in science yourself your entire life. You simply copy things from what you imagine to be authorities. Because you and some people who call themselves Christians simply copy from what you imagine to be authority the result is that you are not capable of engaging reality. One way to resolve this problem is for me to use all new terms like the "circumspect" and the "lax." The problem evades your dependence on your total misunderstanding of terms. Notice that the "lax" group now correctly includes Christians and atheists. The "circumspect" group now contains all other religions except Christianity as widely practiced. Now your dictionary is powerless to object to the facts. It might also be noted though that quite many definitions of religion and Christianity are already in wide use and the dictionary has typically been little to no help organizing the groups. Notice also that my definitions are more practical than yours. WOW! A big congratulations and thankyou for the time and energy it took you to put in such a succinct capsule, a summary of ALL the total Dunning Kruger inspired bunkum that you have been posting on these Boards for years. This is honestly your best post yet on the subjects you hold dear and you barely rambled at all. We have progress. NOW all you need is 'correct' use ( as you would say it) of logic, knowledge and intelligence to sort out the bullshit from the banal, the bogus from the bigotry. Well done you.  I'm saying the same things I've ever said according to the rules I learned at an early age and you did not. Perhaps you are finally seeing things more my way. A memorable experience for me in the early days of the previous board was that atheists tried to establish the "fact" that homosexuality is not a choice using a dictionary definition of "orientation." I knew right away that was wrong, but there was no way to make you understand. You really need to get away from the internet. Find a hobby that doesn't display your vast ignorance for all the world to see.
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Post by goz on Sept 4, 2019 22:17:58 GMT
WOW! A big congratulations and thankyou for the time and energy it took you to put in such a succinct capsule, a summary of ALL the total Dunning Kruger inspired bunkum that you have been posting on these Boards for years. This is honestly your best post yet on the subjects you hold dear and you barely rambled at all. We have progress. NOW all you need is 'correct' use ( as you would say it) of logic, knowledge and intelligence to sort out the bullshit from the banal, the bogus from the bigotry. Well done you.  I'm saying the same things I've ever said according to the rules I learned at an early age and you did not. Perhaps you are finally seeing things more my way. A memorable experience for me in the early days of the previous board was that atheists tried to establish the "fact" that homosexuality is not a choice using a dictionary definition of "orientation." I knew right away that was wrong, but there was no way to make you understand. You really need to get away from the internet. Find a hobby that doesn't display your vast ignorance for all the world to see. Now THERE is a Dunning Kruger Club T-shirt right there! Wait! Here's a better one I really shouldn't laugh at someone with such a disability however I am afraid I do, because you set yourself up for such derision and hilarity.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 4, 2019 22:58:17 GMT
I'm saying the same things I've ever said according to the rules I learned at an early age and you did not. Perhaps you are finally seeing things more my way. A memorable experience for me in the early days of the previous board was that atheists tried to establish the "fact" that homosexuality is not a choice using a dictionary definition of "orientation." I knew right away that was wrong, but there was no way to make you understand. You really need to get away from the internet. Find a hobby that doesn't display your vast ignorance for all the world to see. Now THERE is a Dunning Kruger Club T-shirt right there! Wait! Here's a better one I really shouldn't laugh at someone with such a disability however I am afraid I do, because you set yourself up for such derision and hilarity. I realize you won't get the significance of it, but I follow a school of thought, you do not.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 0:29:33 GMT
Now THERE is a Dunning Kruger Club T-shirt right there! Wait! Here's a better one I really shouldn't laugh at someone with such a disability however I am afraid I do, because you set yourself up for such derision and hilarity. I realize you won't get the significance of it, but I follow a school of thought, you do not. That's weird, here was I thinking I at least partially subscribed to several of these schools of thought with 'humanism' given pre-eminence, and maybe some others What is your school of thought TBH it is pretty hard to pinpoint outside of Creationism, Self Importantism, and HalfArsedness!
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 5, 2019 1:56:24 GMT
I realize you won't get the significance of it, but I follow a school of thought, you do not. That's weird, here was I thinking I at least partially subscribed to several of these schools of thought with 'humanism' given pre-eminence, and maybe some others What is your school of thought TBH it is pretty hard to pinpoint outside of Creationism, Self Importantism, and HalfArsedness! None of those schools of thought holds that dictionaries contain anything but labels. None of them misreads statistical data the way you do. Your aptitude for geometry, algebra and higher math is inadequate to carry you through any problem solving whatsoever as you are incapable of thinking clearly. Your "school" of thought is jumping to conclusions that fit what you believe is authority and no more. You will get it right one day. One day the authorities will present it to you. Today is not that day.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 2:15:34 GMT
That's weird, here was I thinking I at least partially subscribed to several of these schools of thought with 'humanism' given pre-eminence, and maybe some others What is your school of thought TBH it is pretty hard to pinpoint outside of Creationism, Self Importantism, and HalfArsedness! None of those schools of thought holds that dictionaries contain anything but labels. None of them misreads statistical data the way you do. Your aptitude for geometry, algebra and higher math is inadequate to carry you through any problem solving whatsoever as you are incapable of thinking clearly. Your "school" of thought is jumping to conclusions that fit what you believe is authority and no more. You will get it right one day. One day the authorities will present it to you. Today is not that day. Really? Yet all of them would hold that relating any of their schools of thought related at all to dictionaries was a red herring argument at best and totally irrelevant for the most part. How would these schools of thought know how I use statistical data? Since my aptitude for any of these areas in these mathematically based areas are unknown to you, this is a ridiculous statement, since your own proven aptitude when asked to solve statistical and mathematical problems on these Boards has been woefully inaccurate and filled with erroneous thinking. Thinking clearly can yet not necessarily be associated with mathematics. This is an unusual statement since I don't have a specific 'authority' that I mind nor take particular notice of. umping to conclusions is something which I am particularly wary of, since I prefer to weight evidence whether it be facts opinions or conclusions of others. What is it, and why will I get 'it' right? Which authorities will present what to me about what? If it is not today then can I assume it is sometime in the future like Armageddon?
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