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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 22:00:06 GMT
God and Family as the rest is fleeting. but Money is always a safe bet outside of God/Family since it makes ones quality of life better. that's easily the wisest decision in the long term. only fools would put something temporary over God which lasts forever. with that said... I know since we are human and bound by our five senses in general that sometimes having things etc seems more important but when you pass from this life into the next you can't take those things with you. but in terms of what's on the list I would say pretty much this... 1)God (it's God, whether one realizes it or not, this is THE ONE who gives us lasting happiness as the things of the world pass unlike Him. because at the end of the day... your final destination is either Heaven with God(good) or hell(bad).) 2)Family (when things get rough you can only count on family) 3)Money (which gets you a decent portion of stuff on that list) the rest can be nice but the three I listed above are easiest the safest bets long term. @homergreg That's wrong as God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) is tied to the Catholic church, which is religion. because the Catholic religion is THE church Jesus Christ started with Peter and it went down through the generations til today. it's THE church He(Jesus Christ) guides. you can see the list of Popes traced back to Peter here... www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm ; all other Christian denominations branched off of the Catholic church and they basically left Jesus Christ's church which is unwise to put it mildly. I pray to God. I do not pray to my religion nor do I find God through religious ceremony. I will place God first, my family next. I'm Christian. I find God in prayer, and I try to do his will through his guidance in prayer and also through Church. I understand you feel differently, but I would not be able to find God like I have your way. I appreciate your view and if you find God through the path of the Catholic church, that is wonderful.
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Post by general313 on Sept 4, 2019 16:11:57 GMT
God and Family as the rest is fleeting. but Money is always a safe bet outside of God/Family since it makes ones quality of life better. that's easily the wisest decision in the long term. only fools would put something temporary over God which lasts forever. with that said... I know since we are human and bound by our five senses in general that sometimes having things etc seems more important but when you pass from this life into the next you can't take those things with you. but in terms of what's on the list I would say pretty much this... 1)God (it's God, whether one realizes it or not, this is THE ONE who gives us lasting happiness as the things of the world pass unlike Him. because at the end of the day... your final destination is either Heaven with God(good) or hell(bad).) 2)Family (when things get rough you can only count on family) 3)Money (which gets you a decent portion of stuff on that list) the rest can be nice but the three I listed above are easiest the safest bets long term. @homergreg That's wrong as God (i.e. The Holy Trinity (Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)) is tied to the Catholic church, which is religion. because the Catholic religion is THE church Jesus Christ started with Peter and it went down through the generations til today. it's THE church He(Jesus Christ) guides. you can see the list of Popes traced back to Peter here... www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm ; all other Christian denominations branched off of the Catholic church and they basically left Jesus Christ's church which is unwise to put it mildly. I pray to God. I do not pray to my religion nor do I find God through religious ceremony. I will place God first, my family next. I'm Christian. I find God in prayer, and I try to do his will through his guidance in prayer and also through Church. I understand you feel differently, but I would not be able to find God like I have your way. I appreciate your view and if you find God through the path of the Catholic church, that is wonderful. I think it's easy these days to dismiss the value of religious ceremony in the modern practice of worshiping God, given how ubiquitous Christianity is now, but in the past that ceremony was vital. I believe the Vikings would still be heathens (i.e. Odin worshipers) today if the early Christians didn't have some impressive ceremony to help convert them.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 0:19:29 GMT
I pray to God. I do not pray to my religion nor do I find God through religious ceremony. I will place God first, my family next. I'm Christian. I find God in prayer, and I try to do his will through his guidance in prayer and also through Church. I understand you feel differently, but I would not be able to find God like I have your way. I appreciate your view and if you find God through the path of the Catholic church, that is wonderful. I think it's easy these days to dismiss the value of religious ceremony in the modern practice of worshiping God, given how ubiquitous Christianity is now, but in the past that ceremony was vital. I believe the Vikings would still be heathens (i.e. Odin worshipers) today if the early Christians didn't have some impressive ceremony to help convert them. That is so interesting that you should say that. Despite apparent 'modernity' in current ay society, there is stull room for 'ceremony' It seems to give humans a sense of something's worth and value. WE still go to weddings and funerals, graduations etc, to mark special occasions. Also despite me being one of the harshest critics of the Catholic Church in the way that they have taken their 'specialness' to a new level in not pursuing criminal priests and hiding their crimes ( not to mention their ridiculous rejection of modern medical science and technology), I still have a respect for some of the old fashions rituals and ceremonies. When I walked the Camino de Compostella in Spain, I loved reaching each village with its church and religious effigies and icons, and I absolutely adore in the Cathedral at the end the swinging of the great incense burner etc. www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGIoST4mME
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 5, 2019 1:33:12 GMT
I pray to God. I do not pray to my religion nor do I find God through religious ceremony. I will place God first, my family next. I'm Christian. I find God in prayer, and I try to do his will through his guidance in prayer and also through Church. I understand you feel differently, but I would not be able to find God like I have your way. I appreciate your view and if you find God through the path of the Catholic church, that is wonderful. I think it's easy these days to dismiss the value of religious ceremony in the modern practice of worshiping God, given how ubiquitous Christianity is now, but in the past that ceremony was vital. I believe the Vikings would still be heathens (i.e. Odin worshipers) today if the early Christians didn't have some impressive ceremony to help convert them. I suspect most Vikings were far less deluded than many modern people think. I suspect the Viking pantheon was more like modern day movie heroes. There was likely little pretension to detailed facts and more a matter of lessons and morals in the stories. Of course a few people back then were probably like the people today who entirely miss the value of it all because of their pedestrian thinking. I would even guess the people today are even worse idiots.
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Post by general313 on Sept 5, 2019 15:03:09 GMT
I think it's easy these days to dismiss the value of religious ceremony in the modern practice of worshiping God, given how ubiquitous Christianity is now, but in the past that ceremony was vital. I believe the Vikings would still be heathens (i.e. Odin worshipers) today if the early Christians didn't have some impressive ceremony to help convert them. That is so interesting that you should say that. Despite apparent 'modernity' in current ay society, there is stull room for 'ceremony' It seems to give humans a sense of something's worth and value. WE still go to weddings and funerals, graduations etc, to mark special occasions. Also despite me being one of the harshest critics of the Catholic Church in the way that they have taken their 'specialness' to a new level in not pursuing criminal priests and hiding their crimes ( not to mention their ridiculous rejection of modern medical science and technology), I still have a respect for some of the old fashions rituals and ceremonies. When I walked the Camino de Compostella in Spain, I loved reaching each village with its church and religious effigies and icons, and I absolutely adore in the Cathedral at the end the swinging of the great incense burner etc. www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGIoST4mME That must have been a great trip you made in Spain. If I were in that cathedral I sure wouldn't have been in the middle in the path of the swinging pendulum held on by some clerics. For my interest in art I'm glad the Catholic Church decided to take a loose interpretation of the commandment about graven images. If they had taken the same approach as Islam or The Orthodox Church (Iconoclasm seriously limited the flowering of Byzantine art in my opinion), it would have greatly impoverished western art and its assimilation of Greek art. The early Protestants wanted to simplify the ornate trappings (sometimes with good reason), but I'm glad they for the most part welcomed and nurtured sacred art music. About "rejection of modern medical science and technology" I think you might be conflating the Catholics with some "born again" evangelical protestant groups (the latter being much more likely to take that anti-intellectual position).
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Post by general313 on Sept 5, 2019 15:08:18 GMT
I think it's easy these days to dismiss the value of religious ceremony in the modern practice of worshiping God, given how ubiquitous Christianity is now, but in the past that ceremony was vital. I believe the Vikings would still be heathens (i.e. Odin worshipers) today if the early Christians didn't have some impressive ceremony to help convert them. I suspect most Vikings were far less deluded than many modern people think. I suspect the Viking pantheon was more like modern day movie heroes. There was likely little pretension to detailed facts and more a matter of lessons and morals in the stories. Of course a few people back then were probably like the people today who entirely miss the value of it all because of their pedestrian thinking. I would even guess the people today are even worse idiots. Opinions may vary as to whether the Vikings were more or less deluded before and after their conversion. In any case if there was a bet about who was the more skillful real estate agent, Donald Trump or Erik the Red, I probably would place my bet against the modern guy.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 20:53:10 GMT
That is so interesting that you should say that. Despite apparent 'modernity' in current ay society, there is stull room for 'ceremony' It seems to give humans a sense of something's worth and value. WE still go to weddings and funerals, graduations etc, to mark special occasions. Also despite me being one of the harshest critics of the Catholic Church in the way that they have taken their 'specialness' to a new level in not pursuing criminal priests and hiding their crimes ( not to mention their ridiculous rejection of modern medical science and technology), I still have a respect for some of the old fashions rituals and ceremonies. When I walked the Camino de Compostella in Spain, I loved reaching each village with its church and religious effigies and icons, and I absolutely adore in the Cathedral at the end the swinging of the great incense burner etc. www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGIoST4mMEThat must have been a great trip you made in Spain. If I were in that cathedral I sure wouldn't have been in the middle in the path of the swinging pendulum held on by some clerics. For my interest in art I'm glad the Catholic Church decided to take a loose interpretation of the commandment about graven images. If they had taken the same approach as Islam or The Orthodox Church (Iconoclasm seriously limited the flowering of Byzantine art in my opinion), it would have greatly impoverished western art and its assimilation of Greek art. The early Protestants wanted to simplify the ornate trappings (sometimes with good reason), but I'm glad they for the most part welcomed and nurtured sacred art music. About "rejection of modern medical science and technology" I think you might be conflating the Catholics with some "born again" evangelical protestant groups (the latter being much more likely to take that anti-intellectual position). I was referring mainly to the Catholic Church's rejection of contraception IVF cloning and cell biology for curing genetic disease etc.
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Post by general313 on Sept 5, 2019 21:01:14 GMT
That must have been a great trip you made in Spain. If I were in that cathedral I sure wouldn't have been in the middle in the path of the swinging pendulum held on by some clerics. For my interest in art I'm glad the Catholic Church decided to take a loose interpretation of the commandment about graven images. If they had taken the same approach as Islam or The Orthodox Church (Iconoclasm seriously limited the flowering of Byzantine art in my opinion), it would have greatly impoverished western art and its assimilation of Greek art. The early Protestants wanted to simplify the ornate trappings (sometimes with good reason), but I'm glad they for the most part welcomed and nurtured sacred art music. About "rejection of modern medical science and technology" I think you might be conflating the Catholics with some "born again" evangelical protestant groups (the latter being much more likely to take that anti-intellectual position). I was referring mainly to the Catholic Church's rejection of contraception IVF cloning and cell biology for curing genetic disease etc. Yeah, they're a mixed bag in a way, having made real progress in some categories (acceptance of evolution and global warming), but still pretty medieval about contraception and birth control.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 5, 2019 21:13:42 GMT
I suspect most Vikings were far less deluded than many modern people think. I suspect the Viking pantheon was more like modern day movie heroes. There was likely little pretension to detailed facts and more a matter of lessons and morals in the stories. Of course a few people back then were probably like the people today who entirely miss the value of it all because of their pedestrian thinking. I would even guess the people today are even worse idiots. Opinions may vary as to whether the Vikings were more or less deluded before and after their conversion. In any case if there was a bet about who was the more skillful real estate agent, Donald Trump or Erik the Red, I probably would place my bet against the modern guy. I'm sure record keeping was far different before there were voice recorders and cameras, when there was little paper and no newspapers. Never mind the internet. A strange thing about the internet though is how many people still believe whatever they want and have plenty of friends to back them up.
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Post by general313 on Sept 5, 2019 21:26:18 GMT
Opinions may vary as to whether the Vikings were more or less deluded before and after their conversion. In any case if there was a bet about who was the more skillful real estate agent, Donald Trump or Erik the Red, I probably would place my bet against the modern guy. I'm sure record keeping was far different before there were voice recorders and cameras, when there was little paper and no newspapers. Never mind the internet. A strange thing about the internet though is how many people still believe whatever they want and have plenty of friends to back them up. If only God would make some posts to clear thing up.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 21:29:08 GMT
... I'm sure record keeping was far different before there were voice recorders and cameras, when there was little paper and no newspapers. Never mind the internet. A strange thing about the internet though is how many people still believe whatever they want and have plenty of friends to back them up.If only God would make some posts to clear thing up. ...maybe it's because he's got no friends? Being 'God' must be a lonely life, sometimes! ...wait! should I perhaps say 'existence'? ...wait...…..oh never mind! |
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Sept 5, 2019 21:32:09 GMT
... If only God would make some posts to clear thing up. ...maybe it's because he's got no friends? Being 'God' must be a lonely life, sometimes! ...wait! should I perhaps say 'existence'? ...wait...…..oh never mind! And he has no space ship!
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 21:36:57 GMT
......maybe it's because he's got no friends? Being 'God' must be a lonely life, sometimes! ...wait! should I perhaps say 'existence'? ...wait...…..oh never mind! And he has no space ship! He might!
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Sept 5, 2019 21:47:12 GMT
And he has no space ship! He might! He didn't in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 5, 2019 21:50:57 GMT
I'm sure record keeping was far different before there were voice recorders and cameras, when there was little paper and no newspapers. Never mind the internet. A strange thing about the internet though is how many people still believe whatever they want and have plenty of friends to back them up. If only God would make some posts to clear thing up. And for free.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2019 22:11:47 GMT
He didn't in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I therefore think that was a notable omission by the director!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 22:16:49 GMT
He didn't in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. I therefore think that was a notable omission by the director! And that director only overacts like he's god.
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