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Post by Skaathar on Apr 14, 2017 6:23:31 GMT
If these two were ever to fight hand to hand, who wins?
This is Netflix Daredevil and human Ward. No weapons and no armor.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 15, 2017 21:24:40 GMT
If these two were ever to fight hand to hand, who wins? This is Netflix Daredevil and human Ward. No weapons and no armor. No offense, but I don't think this is a debate. Daredevil took out an entire gang of murderous bikers, and he has perception and reflexes far beyond Wards. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 15, 2017 22:58:31 GMT
If these two were ever to fight hand to hand, who wins? This is Netflix Daredevil and human Ward. No weapons and no armor. No offense, but I don't think this is a debate. Daredevil took out an entire gang of murderous bikers, and he has perception and reflexes far beyond Wards. Ward has taken on a legitimate enhanced human and won. Said superhuman was strong enough to punch through a car door and yet Ward took 2 direct hits and was able to get back up unharmed. DD also takes a lot of strikes to KO his opponents whereas Ward usually takes 1-3 hits to finish off his opponents. DD has superior reflex, agility and acrobatic feats. Ward has better strength, durability and KO power. I actually think it's a pretty good matchup. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 15, 2017 23:47:30 GMT
No offense, but I don't think this is a debate. Daredevil took out an entire gang of murderous bikers, and he has perception and reflexes far beyond Wards. Ward has taken on a legitimate enhanced human and won. Said superhuman was strong enough to punch through a car door and yet Ward took 2 direct hits and was able to get back up unharmed. DD also takes a lot of strikes to KO his opponents whereas Ward usually takes 1-3 hits to finish off his opponents. DD has superior reflex, agility and acrobatic feats. Ward has better strength, durability and KO power. I actually think it's a pretty good matchup. Ok well I haven't seen that episode in all fairness, but there is nothing about Ward that should be able to withstand a punch from somebody who can punch through walls. He'd be dead if just a human, and so would Daredevil, and so would Black Widow.
You're putting Ward on Avenger level power and he's not even close. Natasha would kill him, Matt would kill him, Luke would kill him, Panther would kill him, Bucky, Steve, you get the idea.
I don't know who thought letting him survive a punch from somebody who can punch though solid walls made sense, but it really doesn't unless he's super powered in some way.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 16, 2017 0:38:57 GMT
Ward has taken on a legitimate enhanced human and won. Said superhuman was strong enough to punch through a car door and yet Ward took 2 direct hits and was able to get back up unharmed. DD also takes a lot of strikes to KO his opponents whereas Ward usually takes 1-3 hits to finish off his opponents. DD has superior reflex, agility and acrobatic feats. Ward has better strength, durability and KO power. I actually think it's a pretty good matchup. Ok well I haven't seen that episode in all fairness, but there is nothing about Ward that should be able to withstand a punch from somebody who can punch through walls. He'd be dead if just a human, and so would Daredevil, and so would Black Widow.
You're putting Ward on Avenger level power and he's not even close. Natasha would kill him, Matt would kill him, Luke would kill him, Panther would kill him, Bucky, Steve, you get the idea.
I don't know who thought letting him survive a punch from somebody who can punch though solid walls made sense, but it really doesn't unless he's super powered in some way.
Ok honest question here, how many episodes of Agents of SHIELD have you watched? Because Ward and May regularly go up against enhanced humans. They are both top level agents that can easily give Black Widow a hard fight. Ok, let me show you a comparison. This is how Daredevil takes out most goons: www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7o_QH7NCtINote how many times Daredevil needs to hit his opponents before they stay down or how many times Daredevil himself gets hit. This is Daredevil fighting without armor. Now compare that to how dominant Ward is when taking out regular goons: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM5sqeZDJyY&t=4s |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 16, 2017 3:13:50 GMT
Ok honest question here, how many episodes of Agents of SHIELD have you watched? Because Ward and May regularly go up against enhanced humans. They are both top level agents that can easily give Black Widow a hard fight. Ok, let me show you a comparison. This is how Daredevil takes out most goons: www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7o_QH7NCtINote how many times Daredevil needs to hit his opponents before they stay down or how many times Daredevil himself gets hit. This is Daredevil fighting without armor. Now compare that to how dominant Ward is when taking out regular goons: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM5sqeZDJyY&t=4sI've watched enough to know that's from Daredevil S1E1, and Daredevil wouldn't have had a problem with anything Ward did in that clip. They were going for an extended fight scene as a establishing idea, not a Daredevil just mows everybody down scene. It's not always about how good he is or isn't, but making an entertaining program. Why don't you show the Daredevil takes out an entire gang of bikers clip to see what I mean. I find it kind of curious actually that you tried to compare a "make Ward seem as awesome as possible" scene with a "make Daredevil seem vulnerable" scene. When Daredevil needs to take out a room full of people, he does. Regardless, if Daredevil was on that boat, Ward goes down for sure. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 16, 2017 6:32:57 GMT
Ok honest question here, how many episodes of Agents of SHIELD have you watched? Because Ward and May regularly go up against enhanced humans. They are both top level agents that can easily give Black Widow a hard fight. Ok, let me show you a comparison. This is how Daredevil takes out most goons: www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7o_QH7NCtINote how many times Daredevil needs to hit his opponents before they stay down or how many times Daredevil himself gets hit. This is Daredevil fighting without armor. Now compare that to how dominant Ward is when taking out regular goons: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM5sqeZDJyY&t=4sI've watched enough to know that's from Daredevil S1E1, and Daredevil wouldn't have had a problem with anything Ward did in that clip. They were going for an extended fight scene as a establishing idea, not a Daredevil just mows everybody down scene. It's not always about how good he is or isn't, but making an entertaining program. Why don't you show the Daredevil takes out an entire gang of bikers clip to see what I mean. I find it kind of curious actually that you tried to compare a "make Ward seem as awesome as possible" scene with a "make Daredevil seem vulnerable" scene. When Daredevil needs to take out a room full of people, he does. Regardless, if Daredevil was on that boat, Ward goes down for sure. So... you didn't answer my question. How many episodes of AoS have you actually watched? Because if you don't even recall Ward taking on superhumans then you probably Don't have a good grasp of Ward's abilities. Tell you what, how bout you post the vid of DD that you feel represents his fighting abilities properly. Just make sure it's without his armor because IIRC that armor has weighted/reinforced gloves. Then once you have that vid I can give you a matching vid from Ward that I feel represents him well. Edit: I just rewatched the DD vs. Biker gang fight. In that fight, not only did DD have his full armor but he also had duct taped a gun on his right hand and wrapped a chain on his left. And even then he needed multiple hits to knock out opponents. His KO power is definitely nowhere near Ward's. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 16, 2017 18:44:53 GMT
So... you didn't answer my question. How many episodes of AoS have you actually watched? Because if you don't even recall Ward taking on superhumans then you probably Don't have a good grasp of Ward's abilities. Tell you what, how bout you post the vid of DD that you feel represents his fighting abilities properly. Just make sure it's without his armor because IIRC that armor has weighted/reinforced gloves. Then once you have that vid I can give you a matching vid from Ward that I feel represents him well. Edit: I just rewatched the DD vs. Biker gang fight. In that fight, not only did DD have his full armor but he also had duct taped a gun on his right hand and wrapped a chain on his left. And even then he needed multiple hits to knock out opponents. His KO power is definitely nowhere near Ward's. I didn't count the episodes I've seen, but it's not really important, because the clip you showed is him beating up a few rentacops guarding a geek on a boat. Daredevil has taken out a team of hand ninja's and thrown Nobu off a roof, taken down fisk, taken out an entire murderous biker gang, defeated stick, etc.
And you just excluded most all fight scenes from DD season 2, where he pretty much wears his armor the entire time. Really?
Are there any other stipulations to evaluating this, because I'm still not seeing how Ward can take Daredevil. Is there some better evidence of Ward's abilities to compete with elite Marvel characters? I'm not sure he can even take down Agent 13 to be honest. I mean she's an elite Shield agent as well, to the point she had no reservation about challenging Crossbones. Wait, can he take down Crossbones too? Heck Daredevil can go toe to toe with Punisher. Is Ward better than Frank Castle too? Hell Ward must be one of the greatest character in all of Marvel! Obviously I'm not buying that which is why I'm saying putting him against Daredevil is a no contest. Daredevil wins.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 16, 2017 19:50:34 GMT
So... you didn't answer my question. How many episodes of AoS have you actually watched? Because if you don't even recall Ward taking on superhumans then you probably Don't have a good grasp of Ward's abilities. Tell you what, how bout you post the vid of DD that you feel represents his fighting abilities properly. Just make sure it's without his armor because IIRC that armor has weighted/reinforced gloves. Then once you have that vid I can give you a matching vid from Ward that I feel represents him well. Edit: I just rewatched the DD vs. Biker gang fight. In that fight, not only did DD have his full armor but he also had duct taped a gun on his right hand and wrapped a chain on his left. And even then he needed multiple hits to knock out opponents. His KO power is definitely nowhere near Ward's. I didn't count the episodes I've seen, but it's not really important, because the clip you showed is him beating up a few rentacops guarding a geek on a boat. Daredevil has taken out a team of hand ninja's and thrown Nobu off a roof, taken down fisk, taken out an entire murderous biker gang, defeated stick, etc.
And you just excluded most all fight scenes from DD season 2, where he pretty much wears his armor the entire time. Really?
Are there any other stipulations to evaluating this, because I'm still not seeing how Ward can take Daredevil. Is there some better evidence of Ward's abilities to compete with elite Marvel characters? I'm not sure he can even take down Agent 13 to be honest. I mean she's an elite Shield agent as well, to the point she had no reservation about challenging Crossbones. Wait, can he take down Crossbones too? Heck Daredevil can go toe to toe with Punisher. Is Ward better than Frank Castle too? Hell Ward must be one of the greatest character in all of Marvel! Obviously I'm not buying that which is why I'm saying putting him against Daredevil is a no contest. Daredevil wins.
"I didn't count the episodes I've seen" seems to imply you never really watched much of it. If you're not that familiar with Ward's fights then your opinion is highly biased. I showed you a clip of Ward taking out fodder and posted a clip of DD taking out fodder, pointing out that Ward takes out regular goons far faster and more efficiently than DD. You chose to ignore this on the basis that the clip of DD I showed was Season 1 DD. Then you mentioned a better fight would be the biker gang fight, and so I looked it up: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJua7XX0VfQ&t=124sthen I pointed out that DD had taped a gun to his right hand and had chains wrapped on his other hand yet he still needed multiple hits to KO his opponents. And again, these were just random thugs, no high end fighters here. DD have taken out hand ninjas and Ward has taken out SHIELD agents. Yes, DD has taken on Nobu and Fisk (which he had so much trouble with) but I pointed out that Ward took on an enhanced human, something which DD never did, and yet you completely ignore it. Bottom line is, DD struggles with goons far more than Ward does. Whether it's hand ninjas or just regular tough guys, DD usually needs some kind of weapon to be able to KO his opponents with 1-2 hits, most of the time he'll need multiple hits to take out opponents. Whereas Ward is able to do that with his bare hands. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 16, 2017 19:56:41 GMT
"I didn't count the episodes I've seen" seems to imply you never really watched much of it. If you're not that familiar with Ward's fights then your opinion is highly biased. I showed you a clip of Ward taking out fodder and posted a clip of DD taking out fodder, pointing out that Ward takes out regular goons far faster and more efficiently than DD. You chose to ignore this on the basis that the clip of DD I showed was Season 1 DD. Then you mentioned a better fight would be the biker gang fight, and so I looked it up: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJua7XX0VfQ&t=124sthen I pointed out that DD had taped a gun to his right hand and had chains wrapped on his other hand yet he still needed multiple hits to KO his opponents. And again, these were just random thugs, no high end fighters here. DD have taken out hand ninjas and Ward has taken out SHIELD agents. Yes, DD has taken on Nobu and Fisk (which he had so much trouble with) but I pointed out that Ward took on an enhanced human, something which DD never did, and yet you completely ignore it. Bottom line is, DD struggles with goons far more than Ward does. Whether it's hand ninjas or just regular tough guys, DD usually needs some kind of weapon to be able to KO his opponents with 1-2 hits, most of the time he'll need multiple hits to take out opponents. Whereas Ward is able to do that with his bare hands. It doesn't imply that I haven't seen much at all. In fact it might even imply that I've seen lots of it and lost count of the episodes.
Anyway, the real bottom line is what you've presented so far doesn't demonstrate that Ward can take down Matt. I'm up for more evidence if you've got it, but so far nothing I've seen is blowing my skirt up. Daredevil can take on elite training warriors. I'm sorry, but I don't see Ward surviving Punisher, or Nobu, or Elektra, or Kingpin.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 16, 2017 20:23:12 GMT
"I didn't count the episodes I've seen" seems to imply you never really watched much of it. If you're not that familiar with Ward's fights then your opinion is highly biased. I showed you a clip of Ward taking out fodder and posted a clip of DD taking out fodder, pointing out that Ward takes out regular goons far faster and more efficiently than DD. You chose to ignore this on the basis that the clip of DD I showed was Season 1 DD. Then you mentioned a better fight would be the biker gang fight, and so I looked it up: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJua7XX0VfQ&t=124sthen I pointed out that DD had taped a gun to his right hand and had chains wrapped on his other hand yet he still needed multiple hits to KO his opponents. And again, these were just random thugs, no high end fighters here. DD have taken out hand ninjas and Ward has taken out SHIELD agents. Yes, DD has taken on Nobu and Fisk (which he had so much trouble with) but I pointed out that Ward took on an enhanced human, something which DD never did, and yet you completely ignore it. Bottom line is, DD struggles with goons far more than Ward does. Whether it's hand ninjas or just regular tough guys, DD usually needs some kind of weapon to be able to KO his opponents with 1-2 hits, most of the time he'll need multiple hits to take out opponents. Whereas Ward is able to do that with his bare hands. It doesn't imply that I haven't seen much at all. In fact it might even imply that I've seen lots of it and lost count of the episodes.
Anyway, the real bottom line is what you've presented so far doesn't demonstrate that Ward can take down Matt. I'm up for more evidence if you've got it, but so far nothing I've seen is blowing my skirt up. Daredevil can take on elite training warriors. I'm sorry, but I don't see Ward surviving Punisher, or Nobu, or Elektra, or Kingpin.
Except for the fact that you keep asking for vids of Ward and seem not knowledgeable about his feats implies that you haven't watched a lot of AoS. Here's him taking on a superhuman strong enough to punch through a car door. Fights at 2:47 and 3:27. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFz4sv1bTY&t=97sGranted, he only defeated said superhuman with a gadget but it still shows that he can take hits from someone strong enough to punch through car doors without any serious injury, plus strong enough to manhandle the superhuman for a bit. DD in comparison had trouble with Kingpin who is not as strong, as fast, or as skilled as the superhuman in this vid. If you watch AoS, you'll also know that Ward is capable of dislocating his fingers to get out of handcuffs, showcasing a very high pain threshold that I don't think DD has. Anyway, why I'm I even telling you these stuff when you keep dodging the fact that DD needs multiple hits to take out goons whereas Ward just needs a few? How bout you show me the courtesy of actually responding to that. Seeing as I'm the one who keeps posting vids and proof while you so far have posted zero proof to support your arguments. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 16, 2017 20:39:12 GMT
Except for the fact that you keep asking for vids of Ward and seem not knowledgeable about his feats implies that you haven't watched a lot of AoS. Here's him taking on a superhuman strong enough to punch through a car door. Fights at 2:47 and 3:27. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFz4sv1bTY&t=97sGranted, he only defeated said superhuman with a gadget but it still shows that he can take hits from someone strong enough to punch through car doors without any serious injury, plus strong enough to manhandle the superhuman for a bit. DD in comparison had trouble with Kingpin who is not as strong, as fast, or as skilled as the superhuman in this vid. If you watch AoS, you'll also know that Ward is capable of dislocating his fingers to get out of handcuffs, showcasing a very high pain threshold that I don't think DD has. Anyway, why I'm I even telling you these stuff when you keep dodging the fact that DD needs multiple hits to take out goons whereas Ward just needs a few? How bout you show me the courtesy of actually responding to that. Seeing as I'm the one who keeps posting vids and proof while you so far have posted zero proof to support your arguments. Ok, so Ward gets to use gadgets, but you directly said I had to ignore all of Daredevil Season 2 because he's in his costume?
Did you just say Daredevil doesn't have a high pain threshold? So when Nobu gave him about 6 10 inch slices, did that tickle? How about when Fisk was crushing his ribs? How about when he took out a gang moments after Claire fixed his punctured lung by running a needle through his sternum?
I'm not trying to post any proof. I'm still waiting for you to make a case that Ward can take Daredevil, because Daredevil could have beaten that guy Ward did in the video you just showed me. Show me Ward doing something Daredevil can't do.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 17, 2017 0:18:41 GMT
Except for the fact that you keep asking for vids of Ward and seem not knowledgeable about his feats implies that you haven't watched a lot of AoS. Here's him taking on a superhuman strong enough to punch through a car door. Fights at 2:47 and 3:27. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFz4sv1bTY&t=97sGranted, he only defeated said superhuman with a gadget but it still shows that he can take hits from someone strong enough to punch through car doors without any serious injury, plus strong enough to manhandle the superhuman for a bit. DD in comparison had trouble with Kingpin who is not as strong, as fast, or as skilled as the superhuman in this vid. If you watch AoS, you'll also know that Ward is capable of dislocating his fingers to get out of handcuffs, showcasing a very high pain threshold that I don't think DD has. Anyway, why I'm I even telling you these stuff when you keep dodging the fact that DD needs multiple hits to take out goons whereas Ward just needs a few? How bout you show me the courtesy of actually responding to that. Seeing as I'm the one who keeps posting vids and proof while you so far have posted zero proof to support your arguments. Ok, so Ward gets to use gadgets, but you directly said I had to ignore all of Daredevil Season 2 because he's in his costume?
Did you just say Daredevil doesn't have a high pain threshold? So when Nobu gave him about 6 10 inch slices, did that tickle? How about when Fisk was crushing his ribs? How about when he took out a gang moments after Claire fixed his punctured lung by running a needle through his sternum?
I'm not trying to post any proof. I'm still waiting for you to make a case that Ward can take Daredevil, because Daredevil could have beaten that guy Ward did in the video you just showed me. Show me Ward doing something Daredevil can't do.
Ward used a gadget on a superhuman. DD uses gadgets on regular goons. Do you see the difference? DD has never taken on a superhuman, has never survived getting hit by a superhuman. Heck, DD has trouble getting hit by a strong human like Kingpin despite the fact that he had armor on. I've posted plenty of proof yet you keep trying to ignore them. Point 1: Ward has taken hits from a superhuman and left unscathed. Ward was able to keep up with a superhuman and even manhandle a superhuman for a bit. DD has never taken hits from a superhuman. Point 2: Ward consistently takes out fodder far faster and more efficiently than DD. DD needs to use billy clubs, a gun, a chain or some other handheld weapon in order to knockout his opponents as easily as Ward does. In fact, even when he does have weapons he still needs repeated hits to KO them. I've posted numerous videos as proof of my arguments above. You, on the other hand, have posted zero proof to support your arguments and are pretty much doing the equivalent of covering your ears and saying "Nye nye nye Daredevil wins because I said so nye nye nye". So how bout you address my points directly and post some proof to back up your statements. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 17, 2017 0:36:06 GMT
Ward used a gadget on a superhuman. DD uses gadgets on regular goons. Do you see the difference? DD has never taken on a superhuman, has never survived getting hit by a superhuman. Heck, DD has trouble getting hit by a strong human like Kingpin despite the fact that he had armor on. I've posted plenty of proof yet you keep trying to ignore them. Point 1: Ward has taken hits from a superhuman and left unscathed. Ward was able to keep up with a superhuman and even manhandle a superhuman for a bit. DD has never taken hits from a superhuman. Point 2: Ward consistently takes out fodder far faster and more efficiently than DD. DD needs to use billy clubs, a gun, a chain or some other handheld weapon in order to knockout his opponents as easily as Ward does. In fact, even when he does have weapons he still needs repeated hits to KO them. I've posted numerous videos as proof of my arguments above. You, on the other hand, have posted zero proof to support your arguments and are pretty much doing the equivalent of covering your ears and saying "Nye nye nye Daredevil wins because I said so nye nye nye". So how bout you address my points directly and post some proof to back up your statements. Sorry, I still don't see anything in your videos that shows Ward doing anything Daredevil can't. |
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 17, 2017 16:59:22 GMT
Ward used a gadget on a superhuman. DD uses gadgets on regular goons. Do you see the difference? DD has never taken on a superhuman, has never survived getting hit by a superhuman. Heck, DD has trouble getting hit by a strong human like Kingpin despite the fact that he had armor on. I've posted plenty of proof yet you keep trying to ignore them. Point 1: Ward has taken hits from a superhuman and left unscathed. Ward was able to keep up with a superhuman and even manhandle a superhuman for a bit. DD has never taken hits from a superhuman. Point 2: Ward consistently takes out fodder far faster and more efficiently than DD. DD needs to use billy clubs, a gun, a chain or some other handheld weapon in order to knockout his opponents as easily as Ward does. In fact, even when he does have weapons he still needs repeated hits to KO them. I've posted numerous videos as proof of my arguments above. You, on the other hand, have posted zero proof to support your arguments and are pretty much doing the equivalent of covering your ears and saying "Nye nye nye Daredevil wins because I said so nye nye nye". So how bout you address my points directly and post some proof to back up your statements. Sorry, I still don't see anything in your videos that shows Ward doing anything Daredevil can't. So Daredevil has been hit by a guy strong enough who punches through car doors? Look, all you're really doing is saying "Daredevil wins because I said so". You want to claim DD can do everything that Ward did in the vids I posted then post your own vids. Post videos of DD taking out goons as easily as Ward did. Post DD tanking hits from superhumans like Ward did. Until you do, you're just making stuff up. Heck, you're not even addressing the fact that in the biker fight you kept praising, DD was armed with a gun and chains. How's that for blatant bias. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 17, 2017 23:12:37 GMT
Easily Daredevil. However, HIVE Ward would probably require all The Defenders to best him( Perhaps) (Just saying)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 3:28:30 GMT
Sorry, I still don't see anything in your videos that shows Ward doing anything Daredevil can't. So Daredevil has been hit by a guy strong enough who punches through car doors? Look, all you're really doing is saying "Daredevil wins because I said so". You want to claim DD can do everything that Ward did in the vids I posted then post your own vids. Post videos of DD taking out goons as easily as Ward did. Post DD tanking hits from superhumans like Ward did. Until you do, you're just making stuff up. Heck, you're not even addressing the fact that in the biker fight you kept praising, DD was armed with a gun and chains. How's that for blatant bias. I'm not planning on making a case. I'm just saying you haven't made a case that Ward is doing anything special enough to be a contender.
Ward is human right? So if he can endure that, what is stopping Matt? You see this is the case you haven't made.
Also, you seem to be forgetting Daredevil can take down Elektra who was taking down groups of trained assassins when she was 10.
Besides, Daredevil would just turns the lights out on him and Ward's done. So if you have a better case, I'll listen, but otherwise this is Daredevil easily.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2017 15:57:49 GMT
So Daredevil has been hit by a guy strong enough who punches through car doors? Look, all you're really doing is saying "Daredevil wins because I said so". You want to claim DD can do everything that Ward did in the vids I posted then post your own vids. Post videos of DD taking out goons as easily as Ward did. Post DD tanking hits from superhumans like Ward did. Until you do, you're just making stuff up. Heck, you're not even addressing the fact that in the biker fight you kept praising, DD was armed with a gun and chains. How's that for blatant bias. I'm not planning on making a case. I'm just saying you haven't made a case that Ward is doing anything special enough to be a contender.
Ward is human right? So if he can endure that, what is stopping Matt? You see this is the case you haven't made.
Also, you seem to be forgetting Daredevil can take down Elektra who was taking down groups of trained assassins when she was 10.
Besides, Daredevil would just turns the lights out on him and Ward's done. So if you have a better case, I'll listen, but otherwise this is Daredevil easily.
I already made my case, you're just ignoring it. I posted vids of Ward doing feats that DD can't match or have no feats to match, you ignore it and simply say "Yeah well DD can do that too" and then don't backup what you say with proof. There's a reason why you're not posting any vids, and that's because you have no rebuttal. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Apr 18, 2017 17:19:43 GMT
I already made my case, you're just ignoring it. I posted vids of Ward doing feats that DD can't match or have no feats to match, you ignore it and simply say "Yeah well DD can do that too" and then don't backup what you say with proof. There's a reason why you're not posting any vids, and that's because you have no rebuttal. And your vids and your case haven't been convincing at all honestly. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm not posting any vids because nothing needs to be defended or proved here.
And I think we've reached the end of this conversation. Isn't the vote 9-1 Daredevil?
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 18, 2017 19:55:42 GMT
I already made my case, you're just ignoring it. I posted vids of Ward doing feats that DD can't match or have no feats to match, you ignore it and simply say "Yeah well DD can do that too" and then don't backup what you say with proof. There's a reason why you're not posting any vids, and that's because you have no rebuttal. And your vids and your case haven't been convincing at all honestly. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm not posting any vids because nothing needs to be defended or proved here.
And I think we've reached the end of this conversation. Isn't the vote 9-1 Daredevil?
Meh, bottom line is you never backed up your claims one bit. You think by saying "I don't need to defend anything" that it automatically makes it true. But if you want to claim that DD can survive a hit from a superhuman, or that DD can knock out goons just as fast as Ward, then you should post proof of that, otherwise they're just blatant bias on your part. Now you're trying to pull the "I think we've reached the end of this conversation" line because it's the only way you can get out of this hole you dug yourself in. Let's face it, you're not providing proof not because you don't need to, but because you can't. |
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