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Post by goz on Sept 3, 2019 22:53:45 GMT
How much do I love 'conditional Christianity'?
The worshipers of the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent 'Trinity' God can't be bothered helping everyone who is poor...it is too difficult, especially to decide who needs it and those illegal immigrants, Muslims, atheists, homosexuals, Jews, black, yellow and brown people, etc and other 'bad people' really don't deserve it, anyway.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 3, 2019 23:07:57 GMT
How much do I love 'conditional Christianity'? The worshipers of the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent 'Trinity' God can't be bothered helping everyone who is poor...it is too difficult, especially to decide who needs it and those illegal immigrants, Muslims, atheists, homosexuals, Jews, black, yellow and brown people, etc and other 'bad people' really don't deserve it, anyway. I hope there's more context in the thread not linked. Otherwise, I'm not sure how that quote equates to the response.
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Post by goz on Sept 3, 2019 23:12:04 GMT
How much do I love 'conditional Christianity'? The worshipers of the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent 'Trinity' God can't be bothered helping everyone who is poor...it is too difficult, especially to decide who needs it and those illegal immigrants, Muslims, atheists, homosexuals, Jews, black, yellow and brown people, etc and other 'bad people' really don't deserve it, anyway. I hope there's more context in the thread not linked. Otherwise, I'm not sure how that quote equates to the response. I don't generally link to the 'quote' because what is chosen usually has lost all sense of context owing to the extreme nature/ perspicacity in some cases/ humour in others. This is the point of the thread. The things that people actually post and the statements that they make. There is a search function on this board if you are interested.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 4, 2019 1:28:05 GMT
You help where you can...and don’t expect a reward for doing it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 4, 2019 7:53:02 GMT
If giving is not done "unconditionally" then it is not authentic giving and expectations\agendas are attached. One can't be expected to give to the whole world, but what one does give and if it is coming from a noble and heartfelt space, then that is all that counts.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 4, 2019 13:57:32 GMT
I hope there's more context in the thread not linked. Otherwise, I'm not sure how that quote equates to the response. I don't generally link to the 'quote' because what is chosen usually has lost all sense of context owing to the extreme nature/ perspicacity in some cases/ humour in others. This is the point of the thread. The things that people actually post and the statements that they make. There is a search function on this board if you are interested. That isn’t what happens though. The statement is rarely a pure one and even if it looks like it, once to taxk in your view outside of the original post, then you have created a context that doesn’t really exist. Again, the statement does not match up to your issue with it unless there is more to the story which we wouldn’t know. As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 4, 2019 15:45:54 GMT
I don't generally link to the 'quote' because what is chosen usually has lost all sense of context owing to the extreme nature/ perspicacity in some cases/ humour in others. This is the point of the thread. The things that people actually post and the statements that they make. There is a search function on this board if you are interested. That isn’t what happens though. The statement is rarely a pure one and even if it looks like it, once to taxk in your view outside of the original post, then you have created a context that doesn’t really exist. Again, the statement does not match up to your issue with it unless there is more to the story which we wouldn’t know. As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. I thought that with god all things are possible? And yes, your religion does imply that, as part of the duty to love one's neighbor as thyself, and to minister to even the lowest of the low because Jesus resides in them also, an 'obligation' does indeed exist to surmount any obstacles the believer might cite as incapacitating him from doing this.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 4, 2019 16:15:09 GMT
I don't generally link to the 'quote' because what is chosen usually has lost all sense of context owing to the extreme nature/ perspicacity in some cases/ humour in others. This is the point of the thread. The things that people actually post and the statements that they make. There is a search function on this board if you are interested. That isn’t what happens though. The statement is rarely a pure one and even if it looks like it, once to taxk in your view outside of the original post, then you have created a context that doesn’t really exist. Again, the statement does not match up to your issue with it unless there is more to the story which we wouldn’t know. As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. That is the Gospel message. Humanity never left the Garden, we just forget how to see it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 4, 2019 16:17:21 GMT
That isn’t what happens though. The statement is rarely a pure one and even if it looks like it, once to taxk in your view outside of the original post, then you have created a context that doesn’t really exist. Again, the statement does not match up to your issue with it unless there is more to the story which we wouldn’t know. As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. That is the Gospel message. Humanity never left the Garden, we just forget how to see it. Wow. That was deep.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 4, 2019 16:24:38 GMT
That isn’t what happens though. The statement is rarely a pure one and even if it looks like it, once to taxk in your view outside of the original post, then you have created a context that doesn’t really exist. Again, the statement does not match up to your issue with it unless there is more to the story which we wouldn’t know. As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. That is the Gospel message. Humanity never left the Garden, we just forget how to see it. Im not following. That verse is discussing Jesus and ironically even he couldn’t help everyone as an individual. |
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 4, 2019 16:41:54 GMT
As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational.That is the Gospel message. Humanity never left the Garden, we just forget how to see it. Im not following. That verse is discussing Jesus and ironically even he couldn’t help everyone as an individual. He helped point the way back to what humans believe they have lost. It’s an easy formula, but one difficult to do until, like the rich young man, strip yourself of your possessions like resentment of what others have or are doing, desire for possessions, etc. The Formula Note Jesus said your God, not my God or Me. He wanted his listeners to see God as the people they live in this world with. Treat everyone like he or she is me, he said. The Garden (Earth and everything on it) is here. The Kingdom of Heaven (the place we can make it) is in the here and now. It’s not a prize to be won, it’s free for the asking for anyone who wants it. Sadly, few people want it.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 4, 2019 20:18:12 GMT
I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. Connected to this is the question of why Jesus merely cured individuals or small groups, rather than mankind as a whole, of certain conditions. For instance why instead of curing a leper or two did Christ not rid the earth entirely of this natural evil in one sweep? In his case it was neither impossible (since there is no limit to God's goodness and power) and not irrational (in fact quite the opposite: it is more efficient and less unfair to extend the cure to all, rather than the lucky few). The last time this came up, the only reason I was offered by devoutly-challenged was that such a wider curing 'needed to be asked for' - which seems weak, especially no ordinary folk are expected to do good when able only when pushed into it.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 4, 2019 20:47:32 GMT
singing to the bees
there i was
strung up on a blanket
of doves
singing
to the bees
about the circle
of life
while
the ice caps melted into
martinis
where genii's
laid down tracks
on the digital welcome mats
we wiped
our
collective feet on.
singing songs of
sick fence
a pocketful of lies
we were angry
but
we were still filling in
his pie
oh why
does it always end the same
tools of wisdom melting
in the rain
time and time again
we rise up
and we fall down
listening
to the pablum called modern
sound.
someone rewrite history
or at least
say something profound
for the train
has left the station
as the bees
blanket the ground
we were all as guilty
as those
who sent us down
for we lapped up the honey
indifferent
to the sound.
sjw 09/04/19 inspired at this very moment in time by the last t to be crossed.
from the 'beguiled series' of poems
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Post by goz on Sept 4, 2019 21:25:41 GMT
As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational.That is the Gospel message. Humanity never left the Garden, we just forget how to see it. Im not following. That verse is discussing Jesus and ironically even he couldn’t help everyone as an individual. I am finding it absolutely fascinating that YOU were the one person to question my selection of this quote to put in my 'Quotes of the Week' thread, and yet it is YOU yourself who has picked up the actual nub of what the poster quoted was saying. Indeed I was questioning the allegedly VERY Christian poster for their stated view that it wasn't necessary as a Christian to attempt to help everyone and you now say that even Jesus was incapable of that. I guess my selection, pointing out a hypocrisy of Christian ethos has disturbed you though you are still here defending it DESPITE the Gospel message. Interesting!
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 4, 2019 23:12:52 GMT
That isn’t what happens though. The statement is rarely a pure one and even if it looks like it, once to taxk in your view outside of the original post, then you have created a context that doesn’t really exist. Again, the statement does not match up to your issue with it unless there is more to the story which we wouldn’t know. As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational. I thought that with god all things are possible? And yes, your religion does imply that, as part of the duty to love one's neighbor as thyself, and to minister to even the lowest of the low because Jesus resides in them also, an 'obligation' does indeed exist to surmount any obstacles the believer might cite as incapacitating him from doing this. Lofty ambitions are born of egocentric notions and ultimately fail more often than not. I guess failure of belief is what Christians really need to embrace and accept.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 5, 2019 4:35:46 GMT
I thought that with god all things are possible? And yes, your religion does imply that, as part of the duty to love one's neighbor as thyself, and to minister to even the lowest of the low because Jesus resides in them also, an 'obligation' does indeed exist to surmount any obstacles the believer might cite as incapacitating him from doing this.Lofty ambitions are born of egocentric notions and ultimately fail more often than not. I guess failure of belief is what Christians really need to embrace and accept. Xtianity abounds in instances of egocentric notions, many of which seem to have been born directly from the supreme instance of egocentric notion, namely Jesus Christ himself. It's unfortunate that it's a religion that places such extreme penalizing attitudes towards failure of belief. Xtianity could do well by stepping down from the lofty heights and allowing a more humanizing doctrine that accepts the nearly inevitable fact of a crisis/failure in faith of what most probably is the majority of its adherents at one point or another in their lives.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2019 15:02:25 GMT
shrink wrapping a constitution into a one size fits all diaper
even when
you sanitize the barbarism
to look like
fifty years of propaganda material
hung out to dry
on a gold plated clothes line
you still can't define
your inflated self interests into
something resembling divine
unless that is
you're the united states
fumbling around blind
at the bottom of
a soon to be water filled
leeched out diamond mine.
sjw 09/05/19 inspired at this very moment in time by who ever would have thought that was humanly possible.
from the 'blitzkrieg series' of poems
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 5, 2019 19:15:18 GMT
People who make that type of argument are often fine with neoconservative polices (welfare for military contractors and Wall street CEOs)
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2019 19:47:41 GMT
male bonding in a world gone ballistic
mike pence
will never experience
the joy
of seeing two nfl football players
mounting each other
in a steam room
while singing
the battle hymn of the republic.
and
quite frankly
he doesn't deserve to.
sjw 09/05/19 inspired at this very moment in time by who's that nimrod with the scowl on his face.
from the 'boner series' of poems
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 8, 2019 0:02:02 GMT
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