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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 8, 2019 0:13:45 GMT
Lofty ambitions are born of egocentric notions and ultimately fail more often than not. I guess failure of belief is what Christians really need to embrace and accept. Xtianity abounds in instances of egocentric notions, many of which seem to have been born directly from the supreme instance of egocentric notion, namely Jesus Christ himself. It's unfortunate that it's a religion that places such extreme penalizing attitudes towards failure of belief. Xtianity could do well by stepping down from the lofty heights and allowing a more humanizing doctrine that accepts the nearly inevitable fact of a crisis/failure in faith of what most probably is the majority of its adherents at one point or another in their lives. So in other words, Xtianity, or the belief surrounding it, is just surrounding and creating personal conflict over something that is non-existent like blind faith. It is its own worst enemy and that is what gets projected, yet this faith thing refuses to acknowledge it. The paradox is, the hold the Xtian ego has if an acronym were applied and they are really.....Edging God Out.
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Post by fatpaul on Sept 8, 2019 0:40:06 GMT
That's as maybe but....  |
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 1:11:47 GMT
That's as maybe but.... I take issue with the way you have presented this post That quote was NOT attributable to me...it was the poster that I was forced to quote to answer as I did which stated an opposing view.
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Post by fatpaul on Sept 8, 2019 1:37:47 GMT
I take issue with the way you have presented this post That quote was NOT attributable to me...it was the poster that I was forced to quote to answer as I did which stated an opposing view. I've changed it.
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 1:44:10 GMT
I take issue with the way you have presented this post That quote was NOT attributable to me...it was the poster that I was forced to quote to answer as I did which stated an opposing view. I've changed it. Thanks Babe...appreciated.
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Post by fatpaul on Sept 8, 2019 1:51:01 GMT
Thanks Babe...appreciated. 
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 1:59:35 GMT
Thanks Babe...appreciated. 
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 8, 2019 4:06:07 GMT
It's just not realistic to do so because of $$$ reasons as the USA is a generous country (I heard the most generous country on the planet) but obviously it can't help EVERYONE on the planet otherwise we would no longer be a powerful country and our standard of living would take a significant hit etc. it's not rocket science. so it's not about 'conditional Christianity', it's just not realistic for one country to help EVERYONE on the planet in poverty otherwise we will end up poor ourselves. it needs to be more of a collective thing of humanity helping each other. but since people are people, greed/power etc ends up screwing others over. but it's just people being people as the world will never be perfect as it's a defect of our fallen nature, we are sinners, so bad things happen. it's just the way it is. ------------------------------------------ on a side note, my favorite Goz quote is from July 8th 2019...  lowtacks86But you can't really disagree with it simply because regardless of the religious angle or not(or whatever your political views are), it's not realistic for one country, no matter how powerful it is, to support EVERYONE in the world who's in poverty etc. basically it requires a lot of powerful countries/people working together collectively to help and too many people are greedy/selfish so a natural effect of this is there is pretty much always going to be those in poverty in the world while some are overkill rich and have too much $/power etc. it's pretty standard stuff for humanity. |
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 4:12:46 GMT
It's just not realistic to do so because of $$$ reasons as the USA is a generous country (I heard the most generous country on the planet) but obviously it can't help EVERYONE on the planet otherwise we would no longer be a powerful country and our standard of living would take a significant hit etc. it's not rocket science. so it's not about 'conditional Christianity', it's just not realistic for one country to help EVERYONE on the planet in poverty otherwise we will end up poor ourselves. it needs to be more of a collective thing of humanity helping each other. but since people are people, greed/power etc ends up screwing others over. but it's just people being people as the world will never be perfect as it's a defect of our fallen nature, we are sinners, so bad things happen. it's just the way it is. ------------------------------------------ on a side note, my favorite Goz quote is from July 8th 2019... lowtacks86 But you can't really disagree with it simply because regardless of the religious angle or not(or whatever your political views are), it's not realistic for one country, no matter how powerful it is, to support EVERYONE in the world who's in poverty etc. basically it requires a lot of powerful countries/people working together collectively to help and too many people are greedy/selfish so a natural effect of this is there is pretty much always going to be those in poverty in the world while some are overkill rich and have too much $/power etc. it's pretty standard stuff for humanity. Thankyou for reply. It is so wonderful to see one so full of themselves and their religion be so misguided and hypocritical. I don't give a shit about America, other countries whatever the fuck you have raved on about in this thread an elsewhere. ALL I care about is revealing your own personal truth which goes against what your Jesus said, which was ALWAYS to help everyone in need to the best of your ability. You are a proven Catholic fraud.
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 8, 2019 4:42:15 GMT
gozYou seriously came to that conclusion because I tell the truth on the situation? ; what do you disagree with on what I said there? you obviously can't disagree with my core point in that it's not realistic to help EVERY poor person out there. even on a individual level, like in terms of you and I etc... one can only help others so much given a persons limited resources. these are just hard facts. so if your going to talk crap about me personally... at least make a decent argument against me. but instead you default to what a person on the losing side of the argument does... when they got no decent counter-argument they turn to personal attacks. this just makes you look worse (I am trying to give you some advice here to help you. it would be wise to follow it). but at the end of the day you just want to hate on the Catholic religion because you hate the truth since it does not cater to the worlds views on morality etc. hell, looking at your own words seems to be inline with what I said on my basic point... key words... 'help everyone in need to the best best of your ability" and I agree with that as your right. hence, what I basically said already in that it's not realistic to help every poor person out there. so what are your complaining about in my post? ; it seems you agree with my basic point, you just won't say it. How did you come to that conclusion?
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 5:05:13 GMT
goz You seriously came to that conclusion because I tell the truth on the situation? ; what do you disagree with on what I said there? you obviously can't disagree with my core point in that it's not realistic to help EVERY poor person out there. even on a individual level, like in terms of you and I etc... one can only help others so much given a persons limited resources. these are just hard facts. so if your going to talk crap about me personally... at least make a decent argument against me. but instead you default to what a person on the losing side of the argument does... when they got no decent counter-argument they turn to personal attacks. this just makes you look worse (I am trying to give you some advice here to help you. it would be wise to follow it). but at the end of the day you just want to hate on the Catholic religion because you hate the truth since it does not cater to the worlds views on morality etc. hell, looking at your own words seems to be inline with what I said on my basic point... key words... 'help everyone in need to the best best of your ability" and I agree with that as your right. hence, what I basically said already in that it's not realistic to help every poor person out there. so what are your complaining about in my post? ; it seems you agree with my basic point, you just won't say it. How did you come to that conclusion? Let me make this simply and crystal clear. Jesus said to help everyone and treat everyone as yourself. You did not.
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 8, 2019 5:14:58 GMT
gozSure, but like I said it's not realistic to help everyone get out of poverty. because as a individual we can only do so much as we don't have unlimited resources. it's just the way it is.
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 5:20:57 GMT
goz Sure, but like I said it's not realistic to help everyone get out of poverty. because as a individual we can only do so much as we don't have unlimited resources. it's just the way it is. How convenient. How, as Catholic Christian do you choose who is worthy of your help, when so many need it? I am railing at your attitude and NOT the practicalities. ALL you had to say, as I would as an agnostic atheist humanist...is... I would help ANYONE if I possibly could... and in my life I try to do so.
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 8, 2019 5:37:54 GMT
gozWell one can donate a little here and there to whomever they want. we can't be expected to help everyone. there is really no wrong choice on who you decide to help (it's not always about $ either as one can be generous with ones time or talents etc) as there are plenty of people who donate to random things as it's more of a collective effort. but what's so bad about my attitude? ; I was just making a general point in that looking at humanity as a whole, it's pretty obvious the world is messed up. people are generally selfish and greed is apart of that as the more greedy/selfish people become the worse things tend to get for humanity in general. no ones perfect even though some of us are worse than others.
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Post by goz on Sept 8, 2019 5:54:02 GMT
goz Well one can donate a little here and there to whomever they want. we can't be expected to help everyone. there is really no wrong choice on who you decide to help (it's not always about $ either as one can be generous with ones time or talents etc) as there are plenty of people who donate to random things as it's more of a collective effort. but what's so bad about my attitude? ; I was just making a general point in that looking at humanity as a whole, it's pretty obvious the world is messed up. people are generally selfish and greed is apart of that as the more greedy/selfish people become the worse things tend to get for humanity in general. no ones perfect even though some of us are worse than others. The point is that you are digging the hole of uncaring, even deeper. YOUR catholic faith says that Jesus wants your to help EVERYONE. You rail and renege and say...oh butt...oh butt they are... oh butt.....you fraud NOT even me, as an atheists says or does that!
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Post by Karl Aksel on Sept 8, 2019 11:30:57 GMT
As it stands I’m under the impression you think Christians are obligated to help everyone even when that’s impossible which seems irrational.That is the Gospel message. Humanity never left the Garden, we just forget how to see it. Im not following. That verse is discussing Jesus and ironically even he couldn’t help everyone as an individual. Yes, well, it's all been going downhill from day one.  On a more serious note, I would think that the Christian ideal would be to do more than help the poor and needy simply when it is convenient to do so. I don't see what is so particularly benevolent about donating X amount of dollars when you have X amount of dollars to spare. I've donated plenty myself, but never so much that it would change my own plans for personal indulgence, so I cannot claim my donations as evidence of my charitable nature. Those who are truly charitable are those who go out of their way to help other people. Those who give when they can't really afford to give, but they do so anyway because they recognise that "they need it more than I do".
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 8, 2019 11:45:44 GMT
no ones perfect even though some of us are worse than others. Does your charity extend to homosexuals?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 8, 2019 12:34:52 GMT
Im not following. That verse is discussing Jesus and ironically even he couldn’t help everyone as an individual. On a more serious note, I would think that the Christian ideal would be to do more than help the poor and needy simply when it is convenient to do so. I don't see what is so particularly benevolent about donating X amount of dollars when you have X amount of dollars to spare. I've donated plenty myself, but never so much that it would change my own plans for personal indulgence, so I cannot claim my donations as evidence of my charitable nature. Those who are truly charitable are those who go out of their way to help other people. Those who give when they can't really afford to give, but they do so anyway because they recognise that "they need it more than I do". While I do participate in scheduled charities or volunteer days my church offers, as outline in scripture as well, nearly every other time helping other. It is odd that people would think charity involves a reduction of lifestyle. You simply include charity as an ordinary cost of life (Costs include time and money) and find there is always room for it. This is why, although not a rule in Christian doctrine, setting aside a particular percentage personally, is a good way to ensure we always think of others whether religious or not.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Sept 8, 2019 12:49:15 GMT
On a more serious note, I would think that the Christian ideal would be to do more than help the poor and needy simply when it is convenient to do so. I don't see what is so particularly benevolent about donating X amount of dollars when you have X amount of dollars to spare. I've donated plenty myself, but never so much that it would change my own plans for personal indulgence, so I cannot claim my donations as evidence of my charitable nature. Those who are truly charitable are those who go out of their way to help other people. Those who give when they can't really afford to give, but they do so anyway because they recognise that "they need it more than I do". While I do participate in scheduled charities or volunteer days my church offers, as outline in scripture as well, nearly every other time helping other. It is odd that people would think charity involves a reduction of lifestyle. You simply include charity as an ordinary cost of life (Costs include time and money) and find there is always room for it. This is why, although not a rule in Christian doctrine, setting aside a particular percentage personally, is a good way to ensure we always think of others whether religious or not. So you feel yourself square with Mark 12:41-44?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 8, 2019 15:14:06 GMT
It's just not realistic to do so because of $$$ reasons as the USA is a generous country (I heard the most generous country on the planet) but obviously it can't help EVERYONE on the planet otherwise we would no longer be a powerful country and our standard of living would take a significant hit etc. it's not rocket science. so it's not about 'conditional Christianity', it's just not realistic for one country to help EVERYONE on the planet in poverty otherwise we will end up poor ourselves. it needs to be more of a collective thing of humanity helping each other. but since people are people, greed/power etc ends up screwing others over. but it's just people being people as the world will never be perfect as it's a defect of our fallen nature, we are sinners, so bad things happen. it's just the way it is. ------------------------------------------ on a side note, my favorite Goz quote is from July 8th 2019... lowtacks86 But you can't really disagree with it simply because regardless of the religious angle or not(or whatever your political views are), it's not realistic for one country, no matter how powerful it is, to support EVERYONE in the world who's in poverty etc. basically it requires a lot of powerful countries/people working together collectively to help and too many people are greedy/selfish so a natural effect of this is there is pretty much always going to be those in poverty in the world while some are overkill rich and have too much $/power etc. it's pretty standard stuff for humanity. That's kind of my point, Christians conservatives who are against welfare for the poor are often fine with socialism for billionaires and military contractors (upper class tax cuts, bloated military budgets, pointless wars),. There's a glaring hypocracy, do you really not understand that?
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