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Post by WarrenPeace on Sept 6, 2019 22:35:37 GMT
There was such plots in the book? If so they did the smart thing and cut those part out to make a better movie. It might explain to why The Deep and The Island movies were never satisfactory. Jaws could have been benefited from Jacqueline Bisset in a wet t-shirt. I was getting ready to post similar thoughts as I was scrolling through. Yeah, if we get to see an actresses bare tits, why not?
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Post by anthonyrocks on Sept 6, 2019 22:47:03 GMT
"Should Jaws have included the adultery and organized crime s" ----------------------------------------------- If they had then they really would've have needed a Bigger Boat!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 22:56:58 GMT
Benchley had no ear for sex scenes. The Hooper/Mrs. Brody subplot was actively embarrassing, and sure wouldn't have added anything to the film. I disagree. Benchley's portrayal of the aging neglected housewife (Ellen Brody) was painfully incisive. The sexual encounter was a wonderful bit of descriptive writing. Yes it was quite graphic but tastefully done.
It served as a wake up call for Ellen, as well. She realized it was highly unsatisfying to try and fill a void in her current life with the memories of her former life. Living in the past is dangerous.
After the encounter she was a changed woman. She realized how much she loved her husband. And was suddenly consumed with the fear of losing him.
Hooper, of course, was simply looking for a good time. It meant nothing more to him than that and never would. He was likely a liberal.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 6, 2019 23:50:51 GMT
Benchley had no ear for sex scenes. The Hooper/Mrs. Brody subplot was actively embarrassing, and sure wouldn't have added anything to the film. I disagree. Benchley's portrayal of the aging neglected housewife (Ellen Brody) was painfully incisive. The sexual encounter was a wonderful bit of descriptive writing. Yes it was quite graphic but tastefully done.
It served as a wake up call for Ellen, as well. She realized it was highly unsatisfying to try and fill a void in her current life with the memories of her former life. Living in the past is dangerous.
After the encounter she was a changed woman. She realized how much she loved her husband. And was suddenly consumed with the fear of losing him.
Hooper, of course, was simply looking for a good time. It meant nothing more to him than that and never would. He was likely a liberal.
I don't deny that Benchley had a knack for characterization, and I'd agree his portrait of Brody's wife carried some insight. But my cavail was with the actual description of the encounter itself. It may just be me, but I find very few writers whose descriptions of the physical act of sex are anything but cringeworthy, and Benchley's didn't rise above expectations for me. I don't fault him personally--there are many writers who'd rank above him in terms of 'literary' merit whose descriptive powers in that realm I find just as discomfiting and unconvincing (John Updike for one prominent example). I may be unfairly targeting that sequence--perhaps a film treatment of it might have been more successful, though given the Hollywood penchant for lack of subtlety in matters sexual I somehow doubt it. As to Hooper's 'liberality', I leave the deciphering of that to other minds, as I don't recall anything within the description of the character in the novel which offered any indication of his socio-political leanings.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 6, 2019 23:58:48 GMT
No. It'd just weigh it down with unnecessary information. In the case if the mayor's mob ties were included, it'd shift him from an ignorant but otherwise decent person to a genuine villain that'd distract from the shark being the key threat. The adultery angle would make us hate both Hooper and Brody's wife thus making the camaraderie on the ship ring hollow since we'd be hoping him to die.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 7, 2019 0:53:04 GMT
He had her set up again, and she was nodding, when he suddenly tensed. A hundred yards behind her an enormous, lazy fin was beckoning. She did not see it, and while he stood frozen in horror, he saw it move, in a leisurely manner up their trail. His first thought was that it was a killer-whale, did orcas attack humans? Or a shark, no, too big for a sharkfin. Then he remembered the Amity shark, but it couldnt be, that shark was dead. "Dee!" he screamed. She smiled at him over the water and took a hand off the towbar, waving him ahead. The fin was coming up on her now, weaving across their dying wake. It was simply gigantic.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 7, 2019 0:55:09 GMT
It should have included nudity and graphic sex
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Post by janntosh on Feb 12, 2021 13:06:08 GMT
To elaborate. In the book Hooper has an affair with Brody’s wife with some added jealousy from the mayor and the reason the mayor is so desperate to keep the beaches open is because he works for the Mafia who have significant money invested in the town’s real estate. There’s a part where one of the mobsters kills Brody’s pet cat in front of his son!
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 12, 2021 13:09:40 GMT
The adultery story almost sank the book and I can’t even remember the organised crime bits so I guess they did the right thing.
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Post by kolchak92 on Feb 12, 2021 13:24:03 GMT
God no.
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Post by mgmarshall on Feb 12, 2021 13:25:51 GMT
Let me answer your question with another question:
Would The Godfather have been better with the subplot about Johnny Fontane hanging around with his drunken, Dean Martin-esque buddy, or the one about Lucy Mancini's loose vagina? (I'm not kidding, by the way. That's actually an integral part of her story in the book.)
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Post by politicidal on Feb 12, 2021 15:39:50 GMT
Let me answer your question with another question: Would The Godfather have been better with the subplot about Johnny Fontane hanging around with his drunken, Dean Martin-esque buddy, or the one about Lucy Mancini's loose vagina? (I'm not kidding, by the way. That's actually an integral part of her story in the book.) What works for a potboiler doesn’t always translate well into a blockbuster.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 12, 2021 16:12:48 GMT
The Godfather is a terrible trashy book.
I couldn't believe how trashy it was.
Don't forget Jaws also has a sub-plot about the black gardener who might be a rapist, yet none of the women were willing to testify against him. If they remade it now, he would become the main character.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 12, 2021 16:43:55 GMT
No, less is more. The only true characterizations I needed were Chief-Quint-Brody, & we were gifted much of that aboard the Orca.
Having said that, I do think a reading of Jaws is recommended for further insight. Not required for film enjoyment though.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 12, 2021 18:45:20 GMT
Aside from not working in the line "absofuckinglutely", into the script, I'm fine with the results of the movie.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Feb 12, 2021 18:49:33 GMT
Is there anything I can even add here? Everyone else has said no, I'm saying no, and thankfully for all of us the film makes said no too. Jaws is perfect as is, one of the few examples of the movie being better than the book.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 12, 2021 18:57:09 GMT
I think a more worthwhile question is should A Clockwork Orange have adapted the final chapter of the novel?
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Post by Captain Spencer on Feb 12, 2021 23:30:04 GMT
I never read the book, but I don't see how the infidelity/mobster subplots would have added any value. Like others have said, the movie did just fine without it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 13, 2021 0:35:13 GMT
Sure why not:
"Hey yo, what's this fanook police chief doing? Closing the fuckin' beach, ay maron, maybe I should give him a pair of cement shoes and feed him to fuckin shark!"
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Post by Captain Spencer on Feb 13, 2021 4:37:18 GMT
Sure why not: "Hey yo, what's this fanook police chief doing? Closing the fuckin' beach, ay maron, maybe I should give him a pair of cement shoes and feed him to fuckin shark!" ![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/af/30/cdaf309e8d1a97f139ba98a8313f1ba8.png) It's a Sicilian message; it means Chief Brody sleeps with the fishes.
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