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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 15, 2017 18:32:45 GMT
LOL I think there needs to be an Ackbar solo movie so IMDB boards' resident Ackbar(s) can be happy.
I skipped TFA and don't care about Rogue Morgue or the rest. Prequels killed my interest and they waited too long to do sequels--old cast just got too old. BTW Stevie Nicks could have played Princess Leia. Uncanny the resemblance is.
I promised myself I wouldnt slip in a Yoda line. I need to stop lying to myself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 18:37:55 GMT
No, it doesn't say that the movie is going to be bad. I just prefer more balance. I've seen more fanfic theories attached to TFA than any other SW movie by far. And over half the people inventing them brazenly tout theirs as facts and take it personally if you challenge them... as if when you do you're committing SW heresy! An enthusiastic theory is not lore dogma. (But you can't tell half these Bozos that). And there's nothing wrong with good mystery. I thought the OT had that. They left enough mystery on some things to stimulate fan theories, but enough evidence and clues to give you ballpark ideas on how good or bad a theory might be. And then some people just came up with wild theories just for fun. So much of TFA mystery is stamped with Abrams "mystery box" mystery. And that ranges from clueless mystery to illogical, to vague to inconsistency to contrived... and who can forget the "just blame it on inner conflict" mystery! - In ANH we wondered why Vader wore a mask and complete bodysuit. He seemed to be a warrior but he was clearly more elite than some grunt Stormtrooper. But the respirator sound coming from his mask gave us a clue that maybe he was dependent upon his armor to stay alive. But why? How? What happened?... In TFA we wonder why Kylo wears a mask. That turned out to be one of the few uncovered mysteries within the movie. Shorty after taking it off to reveal its likely for aesthetic reasons only, Rey confirms it with saying he wants to be just like Darth Vader. - In ANH I wondered where do Wookiees come from? And how did Han Solo and Chewbacca become friends?... In TFA I wondered how Finn could shrug off programming from birth (better than what OT Stormtroopers were subjected to)? And more importantly was did he never struggle with it? Why was it so easy? The only thing he was conflicted about was whether to run away or stay with the Resistance. (I'll probably never get an answer to that question). - In ANH I wondered why was Moff Tarkin so grand? Then I wondered what the heck is a Grand Moff?... In TFA I wondered why Rey seems to be the only one who wants to deliver BB8 when she was also the only one who wasn't personally invested in wanting to stop the First Order, or who could appreciate firsthand his importance? (I probably won't get an answer for that one either). I could go on with a half dozen more examples. And some of the mystery in TFA may have a payoff. For instance, I might get a good answer for why Rey needs training for things she doesn't seem to need training in? Perhaps there's a deeper meaning. But I just find (for me) one is clearly a better brand of mystery than the other. I'm not even inferring that the events set forth in the ST are as good as what happened in the OT. I'm saying I'm intrigued by these mysteries. This story has been bottled up and cataloged for a long time, and it's attracted a LOT of fans who like it that way. Some of them are so used to being "right" because they could just look up the answer, they may have a little trouble understanding that it's OK to be wrong and not defend their interpretation as some sort of fact. It's not that way anymore. It's opened up to the future, and it hasn't been that way since 1983. Yes, I agree that there' s a whole lot more open than there was back then. Some people are going to like it, some won't. If in the end, the mysteries are just a bunch of empty unexplained gimmicks, then that will be a shame and there will be disappointment, but I have already seen through my own eyes a few scenarios that this all plays out and it makes sense, and it has been enjoyable for me. I doubt that if I can come up with multiple answers to the mystery boxes laid out here that a writer working on this story since he was hired back in June of 2014 couldn't have come up with outcomes that are much more fulfilling. I sit in anticipation as to how Rian Johnson finishes this story. Are yousa sitting on a Strato-lounger? A Lazyboy recliner? Does it have a heating element and massage units?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 15, 2017 19:21:04 GMT
LOL I think there needs to be an Ackbar solo movie so IMDB boards' resident Ackbar(s) can be happy. I wanted so badly to hate the Ackbars and even gave them a bit of shit, but they're just so damn likeable and funny that they've won me over. I find myself marking out for them when they go full-Ackbar in certain threads.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 15, 2017 19:44:20 GMT
FIFY. LOL, good thing it's Johnson who is writing the treatment for Trevorrow's chapter. Hopefully he won't stray from Johnson's core thought with his own. Well, given how ridiculous Looper was, how is that a good thing?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 15, 2017 20:21:35 GMT
As a trailer I was a bit disappointed at the lack of content. We get a lot of close ups and very few wide shots. It makes me miss the prequel trailers that always made sure they'd show all the Star Warsy elements like aliens and cool planets. That being said I think it looks good. SPACE BATTLE! HOORAY! I love me a space battle. I can only hope Old Ack is in one of those ships! Also, those ships on the white sand look VERY Star Warsesque. I love that bit. And hearing Luke of course was awesome... Just curious though why do both teasers start with a jump scare?? Such an odd choice. Its funny that a trailer doesnt show anything and people complain. And if they would spoil the entire movie in the trailer, people would still complain. How about something in the middle that gives enough content for a teaser trailer but still doesn't spoil the movie? You people act like there's only two options. And yes, people would still complain, but whatever.
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 15, 2017 21:15:17 GMT
LOL, good thing it's Johnson who is writing the treatment for Trevorrow's chapter. Hopefully he won't stray from Johnson's core thought with his own. Well, given how ridiculous Looper was, how is that a good thing? I've never seen Looper. However, Rian Johnson is behind some of the best Breaking Bad episodes. I would say that's a good thing for it proves he can write well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 21:36:08 GMT
I'm not even inferring that the events set forth in the ST are as good as what happened in the OT. I'm saying I'm intrigued by these mysteries. This story has been bottled up and cataloged for a long time, and it's attracted a LOT of fans who like it that way. Some of them are so used to being "right" because they could just look up the answer, they may have a little trouble understanding that it's OK to be wrong and not defend their interpretation as some sort of fact. It's not that way anymore. It's opened up to the future, and it hasn't been that way since 1983. Yes, I agree that there' s a whole lot more open than there was back then. Some people are going to like it, some won't. If in the end, the mysteries are just a bunch of empty unexplained gimmicks, then that will be a shame and there will be disappointment, but I have already seen through my own eyes a few scenarios that this all plays out and it makes sense, and it has been enjoyable for me. I doubt that if I can come up with multiple answers to the mystery boxes laid out here that a writer working on this story since he was hired back in June of 2014 couldn't have come up with outcomes that are much more fulfilling. I sit in anticipation as to how Rian Johnson finishes this story. Are yousa sitting on a Strato-lounger? A Lazyboy recliner? Does it have a heating element and massage units? Meesa wishes! But that's not meesa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 21:48:33 GMT
LOL, good thing it's Johnson who is writing the treatment for Trevorrow's chapter. Hopefully he won't stray from Johnson's core thought with his own. Well, given how ridiculous Looper was, how is that a good thing? I thought Looper was a very good film. But I guess to each his own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 22:19:56 GMT
LOL, good thing it's Johnson who is writing the treatment for Trevorrow's chapter. Hopefully he won't stray from Johnson's core thought with his own. Really? I hadn't heard that. I wonder why they're giving Johnson the "core" of the trilogy and the broad strokes of its finale. Seems like he's got a tad more autonomy than JJ (within the context of the shit hand Abrams dealt him) and WAY more than Colin. He also asked for and received some changes in TFA as it was made.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 0:00:08 GMT
Really? I hadn't heard that. I wonder why they're giving Johnson the "core" of the trilogy and the broad strokes of its finale. Seems like he's got a tad more autonomy than JJ (within the context of the shit hand Abrams dealt him) and WAY more than Colin. He also asked for and received some changes in TFA as it was made. Interesting. Can you briefly elucidate as to what changes, or that's behind closed doors?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:11:06 GMT
He also asked for and received some changes in TFA as it was made. Interesting. Can you briefly elucidate as to what changes, or that's behind closed doors? No mention on exactly what the changes were that I ever saw. Here's one of the old articles that talks about the relationship. There are more out there in the ether unless some sites have taken down the content over time: Slashfilm Article from Dec 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:15:20 GMT
LOL I think there needs to be an Ackbar solo movie so IMDB boards' resident Ackbar(s) can be happy. I wanted so badly to hate the Ackbars and even gave them a bit of shit, but they're just so damn likeable and funny that they've won me over. I find myself marking out for them when they go full-Ackbar in certain threads. You good sir have earned the rank of "Honorary Ackbar". If ever you shall fall into a trap, rest assured, your squid faced friends will come to your aid!🐙
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 0:18:57 GMT
Interesting. Can you briefly elucidate as to what changes, or that's behind closed doors? No mention on exactly what the changes were that I ever saw. Here's one of the old articles that talks about the relationship. There are more out there in the ether unless some sites have taken down the content over time: Slashfilm Article from Dec 2015.Hey, thanks. I'll check this out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:22:27 GMT
No mention on exactly what the changes were that I ever saw. Here's one of the old articles that talks about the relationship. There are more out there in the ether unless some sites have taken down the content over time: Slashfilm Article from Dec 2015.Hey, thanks. I'll check this out. I remember a rumor that JJ hated BB-8. And that the droid was all Disney's idea. Not sure if it's true or not though.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 0:25:03 GMT
Hey, thanks. I'll check this out. I remember a rumor that JJ hated BB-8. And that the droid was all Disney's idea. Not sure if it's true or not though. That doesn't surprise me. Not even a little bit. R2 should've been given the more prominent role.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:28:08 GMT
I remember a rumor that JJ hated BB-8. And that the droid was all Disney's idea. Not sure if it's true or not though. That doesn't surprise me. Not even a little bit. R2 should've been given the more prominent role. Agreed. I don't understand why they thought sidelining R2 was a good idea. Especially considering that A) He is one of the few characters that can continue forever without having to recast (sorry, Kenny Baker) and B) BB8 didn't do anything that R2 couldn't have done better.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 0:33:41 GMT
That doesn't surprise me. Not even a little bit. R2 should've been given the more prominent role. Agreed. I don't understand why they thought sidelining R2 was a good idea. Especially considering that A) He is one of the few characters that can continue forever without having to recast (sorry, Kenny Baker) and B) BB8 didn't do anything that R2 couldn't have done better. Because everyone on earth already has an R2D2 toy. I can't even count off the top of my head how many R2D2s are in my apartment, from 70s Kenner action figures to 90s ones to stuffed animals, an alarm clock, a Pez dispenser, among other things. (Six? Wait, seven. Eight?) They wanted everyone to go out and buy new toys. Not unlike Lucas, I realize, but... Yeah, BB8 always struck me as extra-crass.
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Post by ryboto on Apr 16, 2017 1:16:16 GMT
Well, given how ridiculous Looper was, how is that a good thing? I thought Looper was a very good film. But I guess to each his own. The time travel aspect made absolutely zero sense. Back to the Future-esque. That movie didn't take itself so seriously, so it gets a pass. I don't understand why so many people slob over that film..
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 16, 2017 1:24:01 GMT
I don't understand why so many people slob over that film.. I don't like coffee but I know a lot of people do. Is my opinion about coffee more important than those people who do like coffee? No. It all comes down to personal tastes and preference. There's nothing more to understand beyond that. People like what they like.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 16, 2017 1:47:20 GMT
I don't understand why so many people slob over that film.. I don't like coffee but I know a lot of people do. Is my opinion about coffee more important than those people who do like coffee? No. It all comes down to personal tastes and preference. There's nothing more to understand beyond that. People like what they like. Exactly. ... ... ... ... Unless they like TFA.
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