japie
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Post by japie on Sept 9, 2019 15:20:12 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Sept 9, 2019 15:32:09 GMT
I enjoyed it and rewatched it several times.
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Post by Archelaus on Sept 9, 2019 15:44:59 GMT
I have a soft spot for John Carter. It's not a bad movie, but it was a victim of bad marketing and so many films like Star Wars adapting its basic story concepts.
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japie
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Post by japie on Sept 9, 2019 16:33:48 GMT
John Carter is a mess. Taylor Kitch has al the charisma of a piece of wood.
. It's such a soul-sucking, humourless mess of technobabble and gobble-de-gook, I'm pretty sure sitting through it made me a Scientologist or something.
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Post by MrFurious on Sept 9, 2019 16:42:48 GMT
Cleopatra was a borefest. Loved Heavens Gate, it had some magical moments. I enjoyed John Carter (in 3D, twice), theres actually a crazy big John Carter fan on this board somewhere, forget his name
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Post by ck100 on Sept 9, 2019 17:45:30 GMT
I thought it would be Pluto Nash.
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Post by vegalyra on Sept 9, 2019 17:46:09 GMT
I liked all the movies listed. I saw John Carter when it was on Netflix (?) years ago. It wasn't bad. I just don't think anyone knew what it was.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 9, 2019 18:08:18 GMT
I liked all the movies listed. I saw John Carter when it was on Netflix (?) years ago. It wasn't bad. I just don't think anyone knew what it was. That happens when you remove the additional title "John Carter... Of Mars."
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Post by loofapotato on Sept 9, 2019 18:34:46 GMT
Ishtar or Cutthroat Island I guess
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 9, 2019 19:04:42 GMT
I have a vague recollection of watching 'Cutthroat Island' and not hating it. I an not sure about 'Heaven's Gate' - I think I watched it but I may be mixing it up with a different movie. In any case, even if I did watch it, it was so long ago that I have no memory of it.
I never watched Cleopatra or John Carter.
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 9, 2019 19:15:09 GMT
I have not seen any of those.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 9, 2019 19:27:14 GMT
"Cutthroat Island" nearly killed the pirate genre, Hollywood pretyt much refused to make another one until "Pirates of the Carribean"
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Post by WarrenPeace on Sept 9, 2019 19:30:16 GMT
John Carter is a mess. Taylor Kitch has al the charisma of a piece of wood. . It's such a soul-sucking, humourless mess of technobabble and gobble-de-gook, I'm pretty sure sitting through it made me a Scientologist or something. Let's find out. Tell me your deepest and darkest secret and send me all of your money. If you do none of those things then you are not a Scumtologist. But just to be sure, do those things anyway. 'K? Thanx.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Sept 9, 2019 19:31:12 GMT
"Cutthroat Island" nearly killed the pirate genre, Hollywood pretyt much refused to make another one until "Pirates of the Carribean" Which is a fun movie. After that, it jumps the shark. Or in this case, gets bitten by it.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Sept 9, 2019 19:32:12 GMT
I thought it would be Pluto Nash. My title was Waterworld.
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Post by loofapotato on Sept 10, 2019 3:26:24 GMT
I thought it would be Pluto Nash. My title was Waterworld. But Waterworld didn't bomb, it actually broke even at the box office. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 10, 2019 6:48:35 GMT
But Waterworld didn't bomb, it actually broke even at the box office. A movie has to make back at least twice its budget to break even, so anything short of $350m for them was a loss. |
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Post by loofapotato on Sept 10, 2019 16:47:32 GMT
But Waterworld didn't bomb, it actually broke even at the box office. A movie has to make back at least twice its budget to break even, so anything short of $350m for them was a loss. Not true. $175 million budget + $70+ million marketing = $245-$247 million Box Office gross = $264 million box office VHS/DVD sales & rentals + TV rights = $  millions >>> Total = PROFIT / not a loss <<< Yeah I'm pretty sure Universal execs drew a sigh of relief even 6 months after opening day.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 10, 2019 18:26:50 GMT
A movie has to make back at least twice its budget to break even, so anything short of $350m for them was a loss. Not true. $175 million budget + $70+ million marketing = $245-$247 million Box Office gross = $264 million box office VHS/DVD sales & rentals + TV rights = $ millions >>> Total = PROFIT / not a loss <<< Yeah I'm pretty sure Universal execs drew a sigh of relief even 6 months after opening day. Even the article the OP posted mentions the twice the budget rule. If the marketing was $75m on top of $175m, then it would have needed to gross $500m to break even. I don't know what the home video sales were, which you didn't include even though it's the most important part of your argument. If they were over $236m, good for them. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 10, 2019 18:34:02 GMT
John Carter was a victim of Disney's disdain for toxic masculinity.
There was no way they were going to help a movie about an American soldier who becomes the savior of an alien culture.
Even with all the rewrites to make him more of a tool, they still didn't want to advertise it-or give it a good name.
Why not just call is Joe Smith.
Cutthroat Island was ok but Davis was miscast.
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