Pope Francis tells US 'catholics' to F off

Link?

He told them to F off? Well that wasn't very polite.

I don't have his back.  Something about him always gave me the creeps.

Is the Pope not infallibile?

That only pertains to matters of theological doctrine.  Personal opinions are his own.

Right, this is what Jimmy Adkin says on the subject:



The Fathers Know Best, Jimmy Adkin, 2010, pp. 27

@sean



Put it this way... there are official Catholic church teachings which are the only ones that matter as far as Catholic goes, the rest is personal opinion and is automatically wrong if it opposes the official teachings of the church through the centuries on faith/morals.

so in this regard... conservatives are clearly more inline with official Catholic church teachings than liberals are with abortion being a major violation on the liberal side which I think that issue alone pretty much speaks volumes because when someone fails to get a major moral issue like that one correct, they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas. because liberals put a persons "choice" higher than a persons right-to-life when it should be the other way around and they make it easier for a mother to kill her unborn child. that's obviously wrong.

hell, you can even see the way each political party labels the abortion issue... 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice'. conservatives tell the issue like it truly is which is a basic life issue, where as liberals sugarcoat a immoral act under the guise of a "choice".

trust me, someone who's Catholic and takes it a bit more seriously tends to be conservative as they are more inline with the church than liberals are when you look at stuff liberals support that the Catholic church opposes like abortion(which is murder)/euthanasia/gay agenda etc and they are the ones who attack Christianity in general as they want the Catholic church to cater to the immoral ways of the world instead of it being the other way around like it should be.

besides ill bet a lot of those on the left (especially those most opposed to the truth) see just about anyone who sticks with the official teachings of the Catholic church as a 'right wing fundo nutjob' because they don't bend to the immorality of the world. because when you bottom line it... those who reject objective morality, like the left does, they basically makes things up as they go along and litle-by-little they get further from the truth and begin to see those who do follow the truth as 'too extreme' etc, when it's really them that's went off the rails.

for the record... I am not saying conservatives are perfect and liberals are horrible etc, as we are ALL sinners, but in general you can see liberals are the ones opposed to Christianity and it's morals etc, especially lately when the left is pushing far left towards insanity and it shows as they try to push for more and more abortion which is a fundamental moral issue (i.e. abortion is intrinsically evil act) and they rebel hard against protecting life at it's most innocent stage which is in a mothers womb, which tells you what's in their hearts (especially those who go into a rage or rebel hard when people oppose abortion). so while on a individual level I am sure you got some conservatives who are shady and some liberals who are good etc, but when looking at the big picture of each political party, it's the left who's opposed to Christianity in general, especially lately as they go further off the rails. but it's not surprising as they see morality as subjective when us on the right see it as objective based around God.


orkrdrkr



Not surprising as people who don't pray on a regular basis (regular basis as in at least some daily prayer) and go to weekly Mass etc (which is crucial), it's not going to be long before they fall away from the Catholic church which is the true church of Jesus Christ. plus, I heard many Catholics don't even believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in The Holy Eucharist even though it's official church teachings (see 'Transubstantiation') as someone who does not believe that, it likely won't be long before they fall away from the Catholic church as The Holy Eucharistic a major part of the Catholic faith... "By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651)."

but anyways, besides... I am confident there are a lot of people who claim to be Catholic but are largely Catholic in name only as they pretty much go with the flow of the world, which is often contrary to God, instead of sticking to the moral teachings of the Catholic church etc. I realize no one is perfect, as we all got our own personal sins, but when it comes to serious sin a person must at least seriously try to reject those kinds of sins at the least and this is where regular prayer and the Sacraments of the church come into play as it gives us Grace from God to work toward living a more holy life as without Jesus Christ we can do nothing. so it's like without a regular prayer life (as in daily prayer), it's like attempting to do things on your own, it won't end well. but with regular prayer etc, it's asking for God's help and you will progress towards holiness (NOTE: it's not something one will do overnight as it's a long drawn out process and very difficult to achieve any high level of holiness in this life (although some manage to do it like the Saints, like say St. Pio (1887-1968)) as for most people it's going to be some level of progress but I tend to look at it in terms of months/years/decades which goes against our impatient fallen nature as we want stuff now but it does not work that way).

because right now it seems there is about 1.2-1.3 billion Catholics but my guess is the people who take it a bit more seriously are much less than those figures.

If this Pope really said that or believes that he should resign as our spiritual leader as he is not our boss but rather our trusted servant to uphold the practices and beliefs of mother church.