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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 11, 2019 21:47:55 GMT
Anakin Skywalker
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Post by Archelaus on Sept 11, 2019 21:50:13 GMT
Michael Corleone
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 12, 2019 0:41:35 GMT
Harvey Dent
Harry Osbourne
Jean Grey
Ug (Critters)
Bonus: Clemenza and Saavik would have, but the actor was being a dick for the former and Roddenberry didn't want to villainize Saavik for the latter so they replaced their characters with obvious stand-ins.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 12, 2019 0:49:20 GMT
Harvey Dent Harry Osbourne Jean Grey Ug (Critters) Bonus: Clemenza and Saavik would have, but the actor was being a dick for the former and Roddenberry didn't want to villainize Saavik for the latter so they replaced their characters with obvious stand-ins. Well Saavik not being villainized was a combination of Roddenberry being against it and Kim Cattrall not wanting to become the third actress to play the character.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 12, 2019 0:51:37 GMT
John Connor.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 12, 2019 1:01:15 GMT
Harvey Dent Harry Osbourne Jean Grey Ug (Critters) Bonus: Clemenza and Saavik would have, but the actor was being a dick for the former and Roddenberry didn't want to villainize Saavik for the latter so they replaced their characters with obvious stand-ins. Well Saavik not being villainized was a combination of Roddenberry being against it and Kim Cattrall not wanting to become the third actress to play the character. Probably more so the former than Lassie from Porky's having a lot of creative control. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 12, 2019 1:09:57 GMT
It would have made more sense if it was Saavik since she had a reason to hate Klingons too-since Kirk's son sacrificed himself to save her (as she was the one who was going to be killed).
Also, turning half of Starfleet into villains kind of betrays the idea of the Federation doesn't it? It implies that even in the 23rd century, it could be corrupted (and arguably they had a reason to be wary of klingons--yet another example of Star Trek's multiculturalism interfering with common sense).
There was a NG show like that where the Klingons, Romulans, and Federation are searching for some mystery on common dna and the Klingons kill every living organism on a planet to hide their tracks. Genocide--and yet by the end of the episode everyone is lovey dovey because they learn they were all bio experiments from some common alien (one of the worst Star Trek episodes).
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Post by maxwellperfect on Sept 12, 2019 1:56:11 GMT
Saurman the White. The films were just made out of order.
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Post by darkpast on Sept 12, 2019 3:07:05 GMT
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Sept 12, 2019 15:40:24 GMT
Felix Gumm in the Spy Kids movies.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 12, 2019 15:45:32 GMT
Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story 3 perhaps, although it's debatable because he was brainswashed against his will.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 12, 2019 16:04:41 GMT
That one scientist in Pacific Rim
Anakin Skywalker
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Post by anthonyrocks on Sept 12, 2019 21:25:30 GMT
Harvey Dent Harry Osbourne Jean Grey Ug (Critters) Bonus: Clemenza and Saavik would have, but the actor was being a dick for the former and Roddenberry didn't want to villainize Saavik for the latter so they replaced their characters with obvious stand-ins. Well Saavik not being villainized was a combination of Roddenberry being against it and Kim Cattrall not wanting to become the third actress to play the character. Also, Nicholas Meyer wasn't able to convince Kirstie Alley to return and once again play Saavik.
I will tell you though, If Gene Roddenberry hadn't been against that and Alley had agreed to return then man, both the emotion and tension in just that entire Sick Bay scene alone when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy all tricked her into revealing herself and then when Spock smacked the phaser out of her hand and the look that he then gives her all would have been 100 times more powerful than it was.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Sept 12, 2019 21:27:11 GMT
David (Michael Fassbender) - PROMETHEUS, ALIEN: COVENANT
Dr. Henry Wu (B.D. Wong) - JURASSIC PARK, JURASSIC WORLD, JURASSIC WORLD: FALLEN KINGDOM
Admiral Cartwright (Brock Peters) - STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME, STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY
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Post by ck100 on Sept 12, 2019 21:28:52 GMT
Indiana Jones in Temple of Doom. But that's because of being forced to drink that mind control liquid.
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Post by kolchak92 on Sept 12, 2019 21:41:51 GMT
Well Saavik not being villainized was a combination of Roddenberry being against it and Kim Cattrall not wanting to become the third actress to play the character. Also, Nicholas Meyer wasn't able to convince Kirstie Alley to return and once again play Saavik.
I will tell you though, If Gene Roddenberry hadn't been against that and Alley had agreed to return then man, both the emotion and tension in just that entire Sick Bay scene alone when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy all tricked her into revealing herself and then when Spock smacked the phaser out of her hand and the look that he then gives her all would have been 100 times more powerful than it was.
I agree, I think it would've been horrifying to see a character like Saavik becoming corrupted in such a way.
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Post by claudius on Sept 13, 2019 10:44:24 GMT
Saavik as the villainess. Sorry I don't buy it. Yes, revenge for David is understandable, but I don't see her allowing Kirk (David's father and a man she respects) and McCoy (who was instrumental in the situation that led to Spock's revival) be sent up the river.
I believe there was a novel or comic set before VI that portrayed Saavik warning Spock about Valeris.
On topic:
Luc Deveraux
Lila Crane
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