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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 12, 2019 7:37:30 GMT
Would you have a problem with that. or would you be fine with it?
Personally i would not have a problem with it, just as i would not have a problem if they made an all male avengers movie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 7:55:00 GMT
I'd be fine with it however most likely wouldnt watch it until it popped up on HBO or something. Outside of Valkyrie I just dont find any of the female heroes interesting. They're all quite boring imo. When they did the female hero shot in Endgame I did a bit of an eye roll because it felt really forced.
They'd likely have either Cpt Marvel (who I really dont like) or Pepper (I hate Gweneth Paltrow) be the defacto leader and focus of screen time. That's not a movie I'm rushing to see. However I'm not going to object or get angry it gets made. Just wont appeal to me as a viewer.
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Post by scabab on Sept 12, 2019 10:31:29 GMT
There's surely a Marvel female team out there already isn't there?
If they named it after whatever that is it'd be fine. If it was the Avengers proper then people would really complain.
I suppose they have a line up for it though. Captain Marvel, Pepper Potts, Scarlet Witch, She Hulk, Valkyrie and the Wasp.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 12, 2019 11:15:32 GMT
There's surely a Marvel female team out there already isn't there? I have no idea, but i guess its possible.
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Post by lordquesterjones on Sept 12, 2019 11:22:53 GMT
Would you have a problem with that. or would you be fine with it? Personally i would not have a problem with it, just as i would not have a problem if they made an all male avengers movie. I would have a problem with it. They'd have to upgrade all the toilets to Unisex at least. Plus; if they're fighting baddies we'd have to wait an extra half an hour for them to get into their costumes. The Earth would be destroyed before they even got their hair in place. It's a stupid idea!
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Post by scabab on Sept 12, 2019 12:55:58 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 12, 2019 12:57:11 GMT
Talk about pandering, it would feel overly contrived to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 14:34:24 GMT
Thats fine, then I want an all-male avengers movie
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 12, 2019 15:05:14 GMT
I'd be fine with it. As long as the movie isn't full of a bunch of ranting about "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" and other nonsense like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 15:10:52 GMT
I'd be fine with it. As long as the movie isn't full of a bunch of ranting about "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" and other nonsense like that. what if they ranted ''take too much in divorce settlements" or "you dont have to pay alimony"?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 12, 2019 15:14:19 GMT
I'd be fine with it. As long as the movie isn't full of a bunch of ranting about "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" and other nonsense like that. what if they ranted ''take too much in divorce settlements" or "you dont have to pay alimony"? That would also be annoying and dumb. Just do superhero stuff and it will be fine.
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Post by sostie on Sept 12, 2019 15:21:43 GMT
No problem with a all female MCU team. Same as I have no problem with Birds Of Prey.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 12, 2019 17:10:40 GMT
Not at all.
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Post by dazz on Sept 12, 2019 19:37:43 GMT
In theory no, in practise most maybe, just going by how Marvel has utilised introducing and using their female heroes in the movies, if it would feel anything like their all women line up shot in Endgame it would be so forced and cringe inducing.
But if they did it smarter and better then I wouldn't mind, but the female line up shot and how lazily put together Captain MArvel was doesn't fill me with positivity sadly.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 14, 2019 1:34:20 GMT
In theory no, in practise most maybe, just going by how Marvel has utilised introducing and using their female heroes in the movies, if it would feel anything like their all women line up shot in Endgame it would be so forced and cringe inducing. But if they did it smarter and better then I wouldn't mind, but the female line up shot and how lazily put together Captain MArvel was doesn't fill me with positivity sadly. Captain Marvel was a thoughtfully written film. What exactly did you think was lazy about it?
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 14, 2019 3:45:56 GMT
Darcy should lead the team
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 5:47:15 GMT
Darcy should lead the team Darcy should lead your pipe..oh wait...
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Post by dazz on Sept 14, 2019 14:53:48 GMT
In theory no, in practise most maybe, just going by how Marvel has utilised introducing and using their female heroes in the movies, if it would feel anything like their all women line up shot in Endgame it would be so forced and cringe inducing. But if they did it smarter and better then I wouldn't mind, but the female line up shot and how lazily put together Captain MArvel was doesn't fill me with positivity sadly. Captain Marvel was a thoughtfully written film. What exactly did you think was lazy about it? For one Carol is not really that remarkable, outside of her being gifted by powers by accident, they tried just showing a handful of incidents with guys being dicks to her because she's a girl as though it's some great character motivation, but we never see that, on one hand we see she's underestimated for being a woman, but we aren't shown how she overcomes this, she literally goes from being mocked for not being able to climb a rope to partying to being an air force pilot, there's no showing how her resolve and determination overcome this, you know like they did with Steve Rogers, he was underestimated for being weak but we see him proving his superior mind and heart showing the Dr why he's the choice to be Cap.
Also she doesn't have an arc, she starts the film being like meh whatever i'll do what I want, she midway is like meh whatever I'll do what I want and the big turning point in the movie is when she goes meh whatever I will do what I want, that's not an arc it's just the same shit, the idea is she overcomes the Supreme Intelligence and free's herself from their control, but they NEVER had control just the illusion of it, and how they had this is ridiculous, did Carol never question why she alone had these superpowers? if the Kree gave them to her then why not anyone else?
They try to have characters TELL us Carol is special, but not once is it shown, she didn't get her powers because in ANY way she stood out, MAr-Vell didn't want her with her during the mission, Carol simply turned up and was like nah I'm coming along, they rested on the hopes that yeah girl power would carry them through a paint by numbers mediocre movie, it was lazy imo and could have been so much better executed.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 14, 2019 16:38:28 GMT
I hear what you’re saying, but none of those are any sort of a problem, or lazy. She wasn’t supposed to have a major arc, she was discovering who she was. She wasn’t supposed to overcome any setback from her past, because the point is that she had a normal life. Being chased out of activities by boys happens all the time. Being left as a test pilot is what happened then, and being that pilot in the first place is what shows how good she is.
All of that was well paced, well acted, well shot, etc.
It’s like you’re not accepting it for what it is. I really don’t see how any of what you said is an actual issue so much as some sort of personal preference you have.
Like you called her being the only one with powers ridiculous. A film doesn’t have to show you everything. Who said that she was the only one with any sort of power? We known Ronan has the cosmi-rod, and there are likely plenty of other things about for her to not think it was so unusual. So you’re just kind of making up that she should have suspected they didn’t give them to her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 16:40:54 GMT
Captain Marvel was a thoughtfully written film. What exactly did you think was lazy about it? For one Carol is not really that remarkable, outside of her being gifted by powers by accident, they tried just showing a handful of incidents with guys being dicks to her because she's a girl as though it's some great character motivation, but we never see that, on one hand we see she's underestimated for being a woman, but we aren't shown how she overcomes this, she literally goes from being mocked for not being able to climb a rope to partying to being an air force pilot, there's no showing how her resolve and determination overcome this, you know like they did with Steve Rogers, he was underestimated for being weak but we see him proving his superior mind and heart showing the Dr why he's the choice to be Cap.
Also she doesn't have an arc, she starts the film being like meh whatever i'll do what I want, she midway is like meh whatever I'll do what I want and the big turning point in the movie is when she goes meh whatever I will do what I want, that's not an arc it's just the same shit, the idea is she overcomes the Supreme Intelligence and free's herself from their control, but they NEVER had control just the illusion of it, and how they had this is ridiculous, did Carol never question why she alone had these superpowers? if the Kree gave them to her then why not anyone else?
They try to have characters TELL us Carol is special, but not once is it shown, she didn't get her powers because in ANY way she stood out, MAr-Vell didn't want her with her during the mission, Carol simply turned up and was like nah I'm coming along, they rested on the hopes that yeah girl power would carry them through a paint by numbers mediocre movie, it was lazy imo and could have been so much better executed.
I gotta say, I completely agree with this. Though I do enjoy the movie, I think they really could have done a better job with their first female led outing. I'll also add that the characterization of Carol is all over the map. Sometimes we're supposed to buy her as this spunky sarcastic type but those moments feel completely forced and out of character for someone that is stoic and soft spoken the other 95% of the time. They also try to make her confidence seem endearing, but this often fails because there isn't a lot of virtue behind it to make it anything more than arrogance. Like in End Game where she says: "Because you didn't have me"- This is meant to be a badass line, but it shows that the writers are far too aware of her gender and wrongly believe that his will play as endearing when it actually plays as obnoxious- just as it would for a male character. They would never give that line to Thor or Stark and expect it to play like they wanted it to play here. The irony being that the audience is far more accepting of powerful females than the movies gives them credit for, and therefore don't need these girl power moments to take the place of actual nuanced dialogue. Carol only works in her own movie because of the amnesia. The mystery is what keeps us interested, and keeps the plot moving. They are going to have a big challenge ahead of them with the sequel, because they're basically gonna have to rework this character from scratch.
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