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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Sept 12, 2019 8:49:57 GMT
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Post by gameboy on Sept 12, 2019 16:28:30 GMT
I love this stuff.
Of course I'm an atheist but with pantheistic and Gnostic Christian sympathies. Mormonism is also a fascinating latter day Gnostic sect.
You should post this on Religion. There are Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses there. JW's are also pseudo-Gnostic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 16:55:04 GMT
I read the Gospel of Judas. It doesn't jibe with the rest of the scriptures in tone or accuracy.
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Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2019 22:33:48 GMT
Isn't that Monty Python at 7:10?
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Post by You_Got_A_Stew_Goin_Baby on Sept 12, 2019 23:56:43 GMT
I thought there already several gospels of Judas? Seems like a lot of these texts date from gnostic Egypt; a vibrant time for early Christian writing and theorizing before Rome clamped down and established their orthodoxy.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 13, 2019 11:44:03 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by orkrdrkr on Sept 13, 2019 11:51:31 GMT
I love this stuff. Of course I'm an atheist but with pantheistic and Gnostic Christian sympathies. Mormonism is also a fascinating latter day Gnostic sect. You should post this on Religion. There are Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses there. JW's are also pseudo-Gnostic. According to the JW themselves, I thought it was the other way around. Witnesses believe that they have restored the Christian faith from before it was corrupted by (they argue) extra-biblical dogma on behalf of the Roman Catholic church, such as hell and the Trinity. The JW claim that the corruption of Christianity started already in the 2nd century. So it's the Catholic and all other trinitarian churches that are "gnostic" according to the JW, if I have it right.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 13, 2019 13:11:10 GMT
From my perspective, this is interesting, and no more ridiculous than the straight doctrines/beliefs of everyday Christianity.
The only difference is these things are introduced to people who are in their adulthood and who've been told the OTHER stories they think are true and believable since they were babies. Think of it...a god creates a world and puts two people in a garden with a talking snake and a magic tree.
Supposedly this god first creates a man and calls him Adam but Adam is lonely. So god...well, I'll let you read the story...
Really...he was hoping an animal would be a suitable helper. I'm surprised he didn't settle for a dog, or a cat, right Catman 猫的主人? The people are tempted by the talking snake and end up eating the fruit of the magic tree and viola, they go from being "good" (and god saw that they were very good) to knowing good from evil, whatever that means.
Of course they begin the pass the buck. The man blames the woman who blames the snake. God apparently settles it by punishing everyone.
so they were cast from the garden to toil and slave and bear children in severe pain.
Well, then there's lots more remarkable stories and they slid along for thousands of years sacrificing tens of thousands of sheep, goats and cattle and probably some cats and dogs, in hopes that would please god...because, you know, the priesthood loves them some pit barbecue and god loves the smell of burning flesh in the morning. Well, after flooding the earth and raining fire and brimestone, etc, god is fed up with things and decide he's got to become his son so he can live on earth among humans and eventually sacrifice himself to himself seemingly to appease himself because he's so angry at sin. Sin must be punished, so he punishes himself. So, Jesus dies on the cross...sacrifices him self by dying, but then...not really...he pops back up and makes some appearances...pep rallies, really, then ascends back into heaven to sit on the right hand of God the father. So once god became both himself and his son, the separation holds and somehow they'll both judge humans after they die and those who are judged as not having been redeemed get to be punished with something that seems really painful/uncomfortable, and that after it's too late to actually do anything about it. Yet the story in Judas is touted as ridiculous.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 13, 2019 13:16:21 GMT
I always found this kind of stuff interesting...
...not as "official" canon...
...but, interesting, none-the-less.
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Post by gameboy on Sept 13, 2019 15:51:51 GMT
I love this stuff. Of course I'm an atheist but with pantheistic and Gnostic Christian sympathies. Mormonism is also a fascinating latter day Gnostic sect. You should post this on Religion. There are Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses there. JW's are also pseudo-Gnostic. According to the JW themselves, I thought it was the other way around. Witnesses believe that they have restored the Christian faith from before it was corrupted by (they argue) extra-biblical dogma on behalf of the Roman Catholic church, such as hell and the Trinity. The JW claim that the corruption of Christianity started already in the 2nd century. So it's the Catholic and all other trinitarian churches that are "gnostic" according to the JW, if I have it right. Every Christian sect claims it's restoring the true and original Christian church. Lol. I did say "pseudo-Gnostic". It was a somewhat flippant comment. Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves the heirs of Arius, the Alexandrian philosopher who rejected the trinity: www.britannica.com/topic/Arianism So Jehovah's Witnesses reject the trinity unlike Roman Catholics and see Jesus as an entirely separate entity from god. They also claim to have esoteric knowledge gleaned from symbolic interpretation of the Bible.
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Post by orkrdrkr on Sept 13, 2019 16:55:12 GMT
According to the JW themselves, I thought it was the other way around. Witnesses believe that they have restored the Christian faith from before it was corrupted by (they argue) extra-biblical dogma on behalf of the Roman Catholic church, such as hell and the Trinity. The JW claim that the corruption of Christianity started already in the 2nd century. So it's the Catholic and all other trinitarian churches that are "gnostic" according to the JW, if I have it right. Every Christian sect claims it's restoring the true and original Christian church. Lol. I did say "pseudo-Gnostic". It was a somewhat flippant comment. Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves the heirs of Arius, the Alexandrian philosopher who rejected the trinity: www.britannica.com/topic/Arianism So Jehovah's Witnesses reject the trinity unlike Roman Catholics and see Jesus as an entirely separate entity from god. They also claim to have esoteric knowledge gleaned from symbolic interpretation of the Bible. They believe that Jesus is actually a god (as the NWT translation of John 1:1 reads) who is separated from the Father, and that this teaching can still be consistent with monotheism by that only the Father is worshipped as God. Yes, the last of what you wrote is correct. They strongly proclaim that their religion is just based on how they read the Bible, and deny that there was ever an intention to change anything.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 16:56:07 GMT
Unlike most videos that get posted on this board, that was actually fascinating... and worth looking in to a bit further.
Salient post 👍
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Post by gameboy on Sept 13, 2019 17:22:44 GMT
Every Christian sect claims it's restoring the true and original Christian church. Lol. I did say "pseudo-Gnostic". It was a somewhat flippant comment. Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves the heirs of Arius, the Alexandrian philosopher who rejected the trinity: www.britannica.com/topic/Arianism So Jehovah's Witnesses reject the trinity unlike Roman Catholics and see Jesus as an entirely separate entity from god. They also claim to have esoteric knowledge gleaned from symbolic interpretation of the Bible. They believe that Jesus is actually a god (as the NWT translation of John 1:1 reads) who is separated from the Father, and that this teaching can still be consistent with monotheism by that only the Father is worshipped as God. Yes, the last of what you wrote is correct. They strongly proclaim that their religion is just based on how they read the Bible, and deny that there was ever an intention to change anything. If you want modern day Gnosticism the best bet is the Mormon Church. They believe human beings evolve into gods, Satan is Christ's brother, there is a Mother Goddess beside God the Father, all kinds of delicious esoteric stuff.
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 14, 2019 7:16:20 GMT
I read the Gospel of Judas. It doesn't jibe with the rest of the scriptures in tone or accuracy.
no reason it should. judas. he has no part of the word of God
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