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Post by popactor1 on Sept 15, 2019 0:38:01 GMT
Beside the fact he creating me. Why is the world so imperfect?? It's his own damn creation to begin with.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2019 0:58:08 GMT
Someone who is perfect is not mandated to to create something perfect when choice is a part of that creation's ability.
Perfection is a standard based on a particular perspective.
God is perfect based on his own standard that he lives up to as well as the expectations of his creation living up to.
People who blame him for the faults of his creation by definition do not consider him perfect. It's just their view doesn't matter that much which is what tends to make them salty about it.
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Post by goz on Sept 15, 2019 2:17:31 GMT
Someone who is perfect is not mandated to to create something perfect when choice is a part of that creation's ability. Perfection is a standard based on a particular perspective. God is perfect based on his own standard that he lives up to as well as the expectations of his creation living up to. People who blame him for the faults of his creation by definition do not consider him perfect. It's just their view doesn't matter that much which is what tends to make them salty about it. That is a God apologist's rather poor reason for the nonsense fallacy of 'free will', which is used to explain this very problem. In the Garden of Eden, he somehow and for some reason decided that man and woman (representing all future humans) had to fall and fail, so he set them up to fail, which is the reason, allegedly why creation was not perfect. One would have to wonder why. NOT God's fault...it was those pesky humans he created and we have been punished ever since. What a load of bollocks
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 15, 2019 5:55:02 GMT
Basically God created us without sin, which we were good, but through our own free will sin entered the world when Adam/Eve fell. hence, evil entered the world. so it's basically our own fault that sin, and hence evil, entered the world. it's not God's fault.
without a free will, we can't choose to be good. because if God forced us to be good, it would not be a free act of love for us towards Him on our part.
that's a problem with many is they reject the reality of sin and tend to base right/wrong more around 'feelings' instead of what God says is right/wrong and when someone does that, since we have a fallen nature after Adam/Eve fell, some stuff that's appealing to us will appear good when it's really not. so one can choose to be run by their feelings/passions, which can lead to ones destruction, or reject stuff we know is bad because God says so even though it might appear appealing to us.
it's the battle of good(God/Heaven) vs evil(satan/hell). you don't want to be on the losing side as the rejection of God brings ones destruction and eternal happiness is lost and nothing but hate/misery remains for those who reject God who is goodness itself.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 15, 2019 6:06:24 GMT
Look at it all as being perfectly imperfect, that way, we are accepting the world for the way it is, in all its glory, ugliness and beauty. All these things are really one and the same. Is there beauty in ugliness, is there ugliness in beauty?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 15, 2019 6:09:40 GMT
Someone who is perfect is not mandated to to create something perfect when choice is a part of that creation's ability. Perfection is a standard based on a particular perspective.God is perfect based on his own standard that he lives up to as well as the expectations of his creation living up to. People who blame him for the faults of his creation by definition do not consider him perfect. It's just their view doesn't matter that much which is what tends to make them salty about it. I agree with this, because expectations and observations are not the same from one to the next. However, we only need look at ourselves for whatever we see as faults, creation is not born out of of separate divinity. Creation is born out of our own projection and connects to the wholeness within.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 15, 2019 6:12:02 GMT
Basically God created us without sin, which we were good, but through our own free will sin entered the world when Adam/Eve fell. hence, evil entered the world. so it's basically our own fault that sin, and hence evil, entered the world. it's not God's fault. without a free will, we can't choose to be good. because if God forced us to be good, it would not be a free act of love for us towards Him on our part. that's a problem with many is they reject the reality of sin and tend to base right/wrong more around 'feelings' instead of what God says is right/wrong and when someone does that, since we have a fallen nature after Adam/Eve fell, some stuff that's appealing to us will appear good when it's really not. so one can choose to be run by their feelings/passions, which can lead to ones destruction, or reject stuff we know is bad because God says so even though it might appear appealing to us. it's the battle of good(God/Heaven) vs evil(satan/hell). you don't want to be on the losing side as the rejection of God brings ones destruction and eternal happiness is lost and nothing but hate/misery remains for those who reject God who is goodness itself.
Nice God of selective reasoning you have there. Glad I don't follow whatever you think it is.
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 15, 2019 6:42:43 GMT
Toasted CheeseIt's just simply the truth. your either for Jesus Christ or against Him at the end of the day. but many in today's immoral world hate the truth. because what I said there is bold is true as those who ultimately reject God end up in hell and are evil people, those who don't end up in Heaven and are good people. it's pretty basic stuff.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 15, 2019 6:46:13 GMT
Toasted Cheese It's just simply the truth. your either for Jesus Christ or against Him at the end of the day. but many in today's immoral world hate the truth. because what I said there is bold is true as those who ultimately reject God end up in hell and are evil people, those who don't end up in Heaven and are good people. it's pretty basic stuff. Truth for whom? You can't even provide evidence of your God. If heaven is full of loony right wing conservative nutjobs, then I think it would be one sad and confused place to be.
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 15, 2019 6:58:45 GMT
Toasted Cheese Just the truth. it's just the way it is whether you believe it or not. basically the point of life here on earth is to ultimately reach Heaven (which is eternal happiness as all pain/suffering is gone) and our choices/actions determine whether we ultimately end up in Heaven or hell. choose wisely 
p.s. it's unwise to leave the Catholic church since it's the church Jesus Christ Himself started with Peter and went down through the generations til today. or I can say this... one lowers their chances of reaching Heaven outside of the Catholic church since it's Jesus Christ's church as it's the one He started with Peter and it was passed down through the generations til today as here is a list of Popes from Peter to date... www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm ; another way to put it... the Catholic church was started by Jesus Christ, other denominations are started by man. There is evidence for those who can see it... -Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531 (i.e. youtu.be/Ds7nD_QNeKA ) -Eucharistic Miracles (i.e. churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/ etc) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) -Fatima on Oct 13th 1917 with the Miracle of the Sun. etc. but like I always say, it usually boils down to this for many... because no matter what some people see (like I posted above) they will continue to deny the truth. maybe because they don't want to hear it because then they would have to change their lives etc.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 15, 2019 7:11:36 GMT
Because if He isn't, we can blame the current state of the world on Him. So they came up with this excuse where God is perfect but it's us humans that screwed things up. That way we should still worship Him despite the mess the world is.
Obviously I don't believe in God so the current state of the world is just consequence of chaos and human nature. If He does exist, then the current state of the World is His responsibility and there is no good reason to worship him. In fact we should sue the bastard...
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 15, 2019 7:19:20 GMT
Basically God created us without sin, which we were good, but through our own free will sin entered the world when Adam/Eve fell. hence, evil entered the world. so it's basically our own fault that sin, and hence evil, entered the world. it's not God's fault. without a free will, we can't choose to be good. because if God forced us to be good, it would not be a free act of love for us towards Him on our part. that's a problem with many is they reject the reality of sin and tend to base right/wrong more around 'feelings' instead of what God says is right/wrong and when someone does that, since we have a fallen nature after Adam/Eve fell, some stuff that's appealing to us will appear good when it's really not. so one can choose to be run by their feelings/passions, which can lead to ones destruction, or reject stuff we know is bad because God says so even though it might appear appealing to us. it's the battle of good(God/Heaven) vs evil(satan/hell). you don't want to be on the losing side as the rejection of God brings ones destruction and eternal happiness is lost and nothing but hate/misery remains for those who reject God who is goodness itself. So two people made mistakes and God punishes every descendent for the sins of their fathers? Sounds like we're sinful by nature instead of by choice... Can't God give us the same opportunity he gave to Adam and Eve and let out actions determine our fate instead of our birth? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 15, 2019 10:14:20 GMT
Toasted Cheese Just the truth. it's just the way it is whether you believe it or not. basically the point of life here on earth is to ultimately reach Heaven (which is eternal happiness as all pain/suffering is gone) and our choices/actions determine whether we ultimately end up in Heaven or hell. choose wisely
p.s. it's unwise to leave the Catholic church since it's the church Jesus Christ Himself started with Peter and went down through the generations til today. or I can say this... one lowers their chances of reaching Heaven outside of the Catholic church since it's Jesus Christ's church as it's the one He started with Peter and it was passed down through the generations til today as here is a list of Popes from Peter to date... www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm ; another way to put it... the Catholic church was started by Jesus Christ, other denominations are started by man. There is evidence for those who can see it... -Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531 (i.e. youtu.be/Ds7nD_QNeKA ) -Eucharistic Miracles (i.e. churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/ etc) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) -Fatima on Oct 13th 1917 with the Miracle of the Sun. etc. but like I always say, it usually boils down to this for many... because no matter what some people see (like I posted above) they will continue to deny the truth. maybe because they don't want to hear it because then they would have to change their lives etc. You are talking about transcendence, but the church masks this in duality and ignorance for pious control and manipulation of masses, especially the cultish Manson like Catholic Church. That is the truth sunshine.
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 15, 2019 11:22:56 GMT
Like any insecure tinpot dictator, criticism is verboten! The leadership is never wrong!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 13:19:38 GMT
Beside the fact he creating me. Why is the world so imperfect?? It's his own damn creation to begin with. If there's one thing you can say with certainty about god it's that he's basically an underachiever.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 15, 2019 13:31:34 GMT
Someone who is perfect is not mandated to to create something perfect when choice is a part of that creation's ability. Perfection is a standard based on a particular perspective. God is perfect based on his own standard that he lives up to as well as the expectations of his creation living up to. People who blame him for the faults of his creation by definition do not consider him perfect. It's just their view doesn't matter that much which is what tends to make them salty about it. That is a God apologist's rather poor reason for the nonsense fallacy of 'free will', which is used to explain this very problem. In the Garden of Eden, he somehow and for some reason decided that man and woman (representing all future humans) had to fall and fail, so he set them up to fail, which is the reason, allegedly why creation was not perfect. One would have to wonder why. NOT God's fault...it was those pesky humans he created and we have been punished ever since. What a load of bollocks Free will isn't a fallacy unless you're an idiot. Are you an idiot? Man did not have to fail. He just chose to do so. It happens all the time, but it doesn't happen every time.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 15, 2019 16:26:04 GMT
Toasted Cheese Just the truth. it's just the way it is whether you believe it or not. basically the point of life here on earth is to ultimately reach Heaven (which is eternal happiness as all pain/suffering is gone) and our choices/actions determine whether we ultimately end up in Heaven or hell. choose wisely
p.s. it's unwise to leave the Catholic church since it's the church Jesus Christ Himself started with Peter and went down through the generations til today. or I can say this... one lowers their chances of reaching Heaven outside of the Catholic church since it's Jesus Christ's church as it's the one He started with Peter and it was passed down through the generations til today as here is a list of Popes from Peter to date... www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm ; another way to put it... the Catholic church was started by Jesus Christ, other denominations are started by man. There is evidence for those who can see it... -Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531 (i.e. youtu.be/Ds7nD_QNeKA ) -Eucharistic Miracles (i.e. churchpop.com/2015/06/28/5-extraordinary-eucharistic-miracles-with-pictures/ etc) -Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) -Fatima on Oct 13th 1917 with the Miracle of the Sun. etc. but like I always say, it usually boils down to this for many... because no matter what some people see (like I posted above) they will continue to deny the truth. maybe because they don't want to hear it because then they would have to change their lives etc.
Which says absolutely nothing because this axiom could be applied to belief in UFOs, the JFK assassination, or that Trump is secretly saving children from Hillary’s pedo-sex ring ran out the basement of a Shaky’s Pizza. For the guy who nearly shot up the place, no explanation was necessary.
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Post by ᵗʰᵉᵃᵘˣᵖʰᵒᵘ on Sept 15, 2019 19:06:34 GMT
Because that’s the way the character was written.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 15, 2019 21:34:27 GMT
Someone who is perfect is not mandated to to create something perfect when choice is a part of that creation's ability. Assuming God's plan for his creation is perfect (from the perspective of a perfect being anyhow) how can it ever be fulfilled with imperfect means? Then why can the same not be said of goodness? Or morality? Christians often tell us that morality is absolute and that ideas of sin never change. The obvious point is this: the Bible says that God looked on his creation and found it not perfect but just 'very good'. Why blame us for our imperfections when we were made that way deliberately (i.e. it is God's will that we are so)?
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 15, 2019 23:16:52 GMT
Beside the fact he creating me. Pretty sure it was your parents who created you. and not some fictional character in the sky.
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