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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Sept 19, 2019 13:35:51 GMT
I was watching one of my favorite movies, Margin Call, last night and I just couldn't help thinking how great of an actor Kevin Spacey is and how I'd love to see him in something again.
But obviously the correct answer is Louis CK. Netflix special cancelled, No more Louie, nothing. Along with Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, and George Carlin, Louie is one of my 4 favorite standups of all time. I still watch his old specials, but god damn do i wish we got another one
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Post by klawrencio79 on Sept 19, 2019 14:37:28 GMT
Does Kevin Spacey count as MeToo if it was a dude accusing him?
Random side note, the masseur who accused him just died yesterday, ahead of trial.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 19, 2019 15:16:05 GMT
I think the vast majority of guys caught up in this probably got what they deserved, but I feel for Al Franken and Aziz Ansari. I think they probably got raw deals or humiliation over something either untrue or overblown.
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Post by movielover on Sept 19, 2019 15:17:46 GMT
Kevin Spacey, definitely (assuming he counts as a MeToo casualty).
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 19, 2019 15:24:18 GMT
John Kruk
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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Sept 19, 2019 15:37:33 GMT
Does Kevin Spacey count as MeToo if it was a dude accusing him? Random side note, the masseur who accused him just died yesterday, ahead of trial. I mean, the dude is like banned from Show Biz. I bet ya Kevin thinks it counts. And that's interesting. Had no idea. Are the conspiracy theory fuck wads circling? Those guys are alwats fun! And I have a side note of my own, you see. You may remember( You totally don't, but should cause I'm very memorable) that on the old board I made a thread that had like 100+ responses. It asked which one of the "Big Three" of suspected in the closet A list actors was actually gay: Spacey, Travolta, and Cruise. I said Spacey and was greeted with scorn. No one bought it. Even you, I think, though am not sure. So I guess the point of this is just me tooting my own horn. What better way to prove my awesomeness than being right about a dude being gay 5 years ago on an internet message board 
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Post by klawrencio79 on Sept 19, 2019 15:40:22 GMT
Does Kevin Spacey count as MeToo if it was a dude accusing him? Random side note, the masseur who accused him just died yesterday, ahead of trial. I mean, the dude is like banned from Show Biz. I bet ya Kevin thinks it counts. And that's interesting. Had no idea. Are the conspiracy theory fuck wads circling? Those guys are alwats fun! And I have a side note of my own, you see. You may remember( You totally don't, but should cause I'm very memorable) that on the old board I made a thread that had like 100+ responses. It asked which one of the "Big Three" of suspected in the closet A list actors was actually gay: Spacey, Travolta, and Cruise. I said Spacey and was greeted with scorn. No one bought it. Even you, I think, though am not sure. So I guess the point of this is just me tooting my own horn. What better way to prove my awesomeness than being right about a dude being gay 5 years ago on an internet message board I remember the thread very well, although I can't say I recall being adamant about the stance one way or another. Certainly not to the point or directing scorn in your direction.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 19, 2019 15:45:33 GMT
I was not a part of that thread but back then I would have thought Travolta gay, Spacey straight, and Cruise this weird asexual Ken doll thing. Like Cruise gives me Michael Jackson vibes. Not for anything pedo, but just general weirdness.
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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Sept 19, 2019 15:56:44 GMT
I think the vast majority of guys caught up in this probably got what they deserved, but I feel for Al Franken and Aziz Ansari. I think they probably got raw deals or humiliation over something either untrue or overblown. I agree with you 100% on Franken. He got a raw deal. I blame 0-1% former Presidential Candidate Kirsten Jello Brand. She wanted to claim the Feminism baton and basically forced him out. And if you know me, you know that Al Franken is not my kind of politician. But it doesn't matter. If you get screwed I'll say so, even if I disagree politically. Now, I have a HUGE problem with what happened to Louie CK. And if you, kl, or anyone else could give me your opinion, I'd genuinely love to hear it. Louie did NOTHING wrong. He asked for consent for a non contact sexual act. If they said no, that was the end of it. If they agreed, well then he whipped out his big ol' freckled red dick and jerked away. There was no physical intimidation or threats. No threats to ruin careers. NOTHING. All our lives we were told to get clear, definitive consent. he did just that and still lost tens of millions of dollars and is still pretty much pale balled(Get it? Cause like...he's a ginger? Instead of black balled? Is this thing on???). None of these women worked for him. Cause even if you get consent, I suppose I can see how it could be problematic if you're the boss or something. Nope. these were just fellow comedians. So what did he do wrong? I'm not trying to argue, but I would love to hear some opinions on this. I literally lost a friendship over this. I had a friend, a girl, who's a comedian in NY. No one on TV or anything, but she makes a decent living doing standup in clubs. Known her since Middle School. Even though we had our own different lives, we would still call each other and talk for hours sometimes at least once or twice a month. Well, that friendship is over and we haven't spoken in almost a year because of our fight over this Louie CK issue. So please, I honestly want to hear as many opinions on this as possible. What did he do wrong?  ? Where do you stand here?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 19, 2019 16:06:34 GMT
I think the vast majority of guys caught up in this probably got what they deserved, but I feel for Al Franken and Aziz Ansari. I think they probably got raw deals or humiliation over something either untrue or overblown. I agree with you 100% on Franken. He got a raw deal. I blame 0-1% former Presidential Candidate Kirsten Jello Brand. She wanted to claim the Feminism baton and basically forced him out. And if you know me, you know that Al Franken is not my kind of politician. But it doesn't matter. If you get screwed I'll say so, even if I disagree politically. Now, I have a HUGE problem with what happened to Louie CK. And if you, kl, or anyone else could give me your opinion, I'd genuinely love to hear it. Louie did NOTHING wrong. He asked for consent for a non contact sexual act. If they said no, that was the end of it. If they agreed, well then he whipped out his big ol' freckled red dick and jerked away. There was no physical intimidation or threats. No threats to ruin careers. NOTHING. All our lives we were told to get clear, definitive consent. he did just that and still lost tens of millions of dollars and is still pretty much pale balled(Get it? Cause like...he's a ginger? Instead of black balled? Is this thing on???). None of these women worked for him. Cause even if you get consent, I suppose I can see how it could be problematic if you're the boss or something. Nope. these were just fellow comedians. So what did he do wrong? I'm not trying to argue, but I would love to hear some opinions on this. I literally lost a friendship over this. I had a friend, a girl, who's a comedian in NY. No one on TV or anything, but she makes a decent living doing standup in clubs. Known her since Middle School. Even though we had our own different lives, we would still call each other and talk for hours sometimes at least once or twice a month. Well, that friendship is over and we haven't spoken in almost a year because of our fight over this Louie CK issue. So please, I honestly want to hear as many opinions on this as possible. What did he do wrong? ? Where do you stand here? I didn’t follow the Louis CK thing all that closely. Was there any kind of “You watch me jack Little Louie and I’ll get you a comedy special or something prominent”? Anything we’re he could use his position of fame to help their careers? I know he wasn’t their “boss” but it’s still a position of power (assuming all the chicks were less famous than he is). I mean if Brad Pitt beat off in front of one of the extras in Oceans 11 that would probably be considered wrong by some. |
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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Sept 19, 2019 16:34:44 GMT
I agree with you 100% on Franken. He got a raw deal. I blame 0-1% former Presidential Candidate Kirsten Jello Brand. She wanted to claim the Feminism baton and basically forced him out. And if you know me, you know that Al Franken is not my kind of politician. But it doesn't matter. If you get screwed I'll say so, even if I disagree politically. Now, I have a HUGE problem with what happened to Louie CK. And if you, kl, or anyone else could give me your opinion, I'd genuinely love to hear it. Louie did NOTHING wrong. He asked for consent for a non contact sexual act. If they said no, that was the end of it. If they agreed, well then he whipped out his big ol' freckled red dick and jerked away. There was no physical intimidation or threats. No threats to ruin careers. NOTHING. All our lives we were told to get clear, definitive consent. he did just that and still lost tens of millions of dollars and is still pretty much pale balled(Get it? Cause like...he's a ginger? Instead of black balled? Is this thing on???). None of these women worked for him. Cause even if you get consent, I suppose I can see how it could be problematic if you're the boss or something. Nope. these were just fellow comedians. So what did he do wrong? I'm not trying to argue, but I would love to hear some opinions on this. I literally lost a friendship over this. I had a friend, a girl, who's a comedian in NY. No one on TV or anything, but she makes a decent living doing standup in clubs. Known her since Middle School. Even though we had our own different lives, we would still call each other and talk for hours sometimes at least once or twice a month. Well, that friendship is over and we haven't spoken in almost a year because of our fight over this Louie CK issue. So please, I honestly want to hear as many opinions on this as possible. What did he do wrong? ? Where do you stand here? I didn’t follow the Louis CK thing all that closely. Was there any kind of “You watch me jack Little Louie and I’ll get you a comedy special or something prominent”? Anything we’re he could use his position of fame to help their careers? I know he wasn’t their “boss” but it’s still a position of power (assuming all the chicks were less famous than he is). I mean if Brad Pitt beat off in front of one of the extras in Oceans 11 that would probably be considered wrong by some. No. At no point did he state nor was there any implication that if they watched him Louie his CK there would be career opportunities presented. Nothing like "Hey, I see 2 episodes of Season 3 of Louie with your name on it!" or anything of the sort. Now, I believe some of the women did say that they thought that perhaps saying no could mean one thing and saying yes could mean another. But if that was never his intent nor did he ever do or say anything that suggested that, then he shouldn't be held accountable for something that manifested in these women's minds. And yeah, he was more famous than them. And this is something I talked to my friend about. But so what? Does that mean a man can never go after, court, flirt, ask out, or anything any woman who he is more successful than?
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 19, 2019 16:36:03 GMT
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 19, 2019 16:49:25 GMT
I didn’t follow the Louis CK thing all that closely. Was there any kind of “You watch me jack Little Louie and I’ll get you a comedy special or something prominent”? Anything we’re he could use his position of fame to help their careers? I know he wasn’t their “boss” but it’s still a position of power (assuming all the chicks were less famous than he is). I mean if Brad Pitt beat off in front of one of the extras in Oceans 11 that would probably be considered wrong by some. No. At no point did he state nor was there any implication that if they watched him Louie his CK there would be career opportunities presented. Nothing like "Hey, I see 2 episodes of Season 3 of Louie with your name on it!" or anything of the sort. Now, I believe some of the women did say that they thought that perhaps saying no could mean one thing and saying yes could mean another. But if that was never his intent nor did he ever do or say anything that suggested that, then he shouldn't be held accountable for something that manifested in these women's minds. And yeah, he was more famous than them. And this is something I talked to my friend about. But so what? Does that mean a man can never go after, court, flirt, ask out, or anything any woman who he is more successful than? If they are in the same field and one can have influence on the other’s career, even if that isn’t the intention, then no, probably not. Not without lawyers and waivers being signed, but where’s the romance in that? I believe that Harvey Weinstein probably ruined it for successful folks everywhere. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 19, 2019 18:05:57 GMT
No. At no point did he state nor was there any implication that if they watched him Louie his CK there would be career opportunities presented. Nothing like "Hey, I see 2 episodes of Season 3 of Louie with your name on it!" or anything of the sort. Now, I believe some of the women did say that they thought that perhaps saying no could mean one thing and saying yes could mean another. But if that was never his intent nor did he ever do or say anything that suggested that, then he shouldn't be held accountable for something that manifested in these women's minds. And yeah, he was more famous than them. And this is something I talked to my friend about. But so what? Does that mean a man can never go after, court, flirt, ask out, or anything any woman who he is more successful than? If they are in the same field and one can have influence on the other’s career, even if that isn’t the intention, then no, probably not. Not without lawyers and waivers being signed, but where’s the romance in that? I believe that Harvey Weinstein probably ruined it for successful folks everywhere. Louis CK was indeed doing some of his off-jerking at work when he was a writer working at the Chris Rock show and carrying on with some of the ladies on the show who were not at the same level as he was. So there was some professional violations beyond just the unseemliness of a guy with a wife and young kids at home creepily asking girls to watch him be gross. The punishment did not fit the lack of crime, but it's not accurate to say that his position had no effect on the women involved. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 19, 2019 20:05:13 GMT
If they are in the same field and one can have influence on the other’s career, even if that isn’t the intention, then no, probably not. Not without lawyers and waivers being signed, but where’s the romance in that? I believe that Harvey Weinstein probably ruined it for successful folks everywhere. The punishment did not fit the lack of crime, but it's not accurate to say that his position had no effect on the women involved. The stature of someone like Louis CK shouldn't deflect what happened either. I feel like that's trying be normalized, someone's celebrity slowly making their actions less impactful because of how many ppl they entertained.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 19, 2019 21:12:17 GMT
The punishment did not fit the lack of crime, but it's not accurate to say that his position had no effect on the women involved. The stature of someone like Louis CK shouldn't deflect what happened either. I feel like that's trying be normalized, someone's celebrity slowly making their actions less impactful because of how many ppl they entertained. Not entirely sure what you're saying, but if I understand you I think it's kinda off. If anything he was judged more harshly because he was famous, and the sliding scale went the other way in that as he for more famous he stopped doing it. |
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 19, 2019 23:21:15 GMT
I was watching one of my favorite movies, Margin Call, last night and I just couldn't help thinking how great of an actor Kevin Spacey is and how I'd love to see him in something again. But obviously the correct answer is Louis CK. Netflix special cancelled, No more Louie, nothing. Along with Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, and George Carlin, Louie is one of my 4 favorite standups of all time. I still watch his old specials, but god damn do i wish we got another one
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 20, 2019 0:37:18 GMT
I was watching one of my favorite movies, Margin Call, last night and I just couldn't help thinking how great of an actor Kevin Spacey is and how I'd love to see him in something again. But obviously the correct answer is Louis CK. Netflix special cancelled, No more Louie, nothing. Along with Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, and George Carlin, Louie is one of my 4 favorite standups of all time. I still watch his old specials, but god damn do i wish we got another one Four great comics. I miss Louis too. He had unique sense of humor. Self depreciation but he didn't wallow in it. He did do a couple standups but got flak for picking on school shooting I believe. Have you seen Bill Burr's newest special? Didn't wow me. Burr had one of the funniest bits ever, the "What are you, a ***?" bit from "Let it Go" (*** = a derogatory term for a homosexual male" I'm curious, do you like Lewis Black? Knowing your political leanings...
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Post by Beardy McJewsenheimer ESQ on Sept 22, 2019 15:29:49 GMT
I was watching one of my favorite movies, Margin Call, last night and I just couldn't help thinking how great of an actor Kevin Spacey is and how I'd love to see him in something again. But obviously the correct answer is Louis CK. Netflix special cancelled, No more Louie, nothing. Along with Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, and George Carlin, Louie is one of my 4 favorite standups of all time. I still watch his old specials, but god damn do i wish we got another one Four great comics. I miss Louis too. He had unique sense of humor. Self depreciation but he didn't wallow in it. He did do a couple standups but got flak for picking on school shooting I believe. Have you seen Bill Burr's newest special? Didn't wow me. Burr had one of the funniest bits ever, the "What are you, a ***?" bit from "Let it Go" (*** = a derogatory term for a homosexual male" I'm curious, do you like Lewis Black? Knowing your political leanings... I do like Lewis Black. Not as much as the others I mentioned, but he's alright. And I liked Bill Burr's latest special. me and my GF stayed up until midnight when it was supposed to release, but it didn't come out till later in the morning. It was vintage Bill. His last one before this he seemed to tone it down some. This one was a lot more like his old stuff. Very anti-PC
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Sept 22, 2019 15:53:30 GMT
I was watching one of my favorite movies, Margin Call, last night and I just couldn't help thinking how great of an actor Kevin Spacey is and how I'd love to see him in something again. But obviously the correct answer is Louis CK. Netflix special cancelled, No more Louie, nothing. Along with Bill Burr, Norm MacDonald, and George Carlin, Louie is one of my 4 favorite standups of all time. I still watch his old specials, but god damn do i wish we got another one you didn't really watch Margin Call, c'mon.
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? Where do you stand here?
