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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 7:01:29 GMT
Yes, I believe you're right about that. The Council of Nicaea didn't accept it though. It was considered unnecessary and supposedly filled with contradictions to the Book of Genesis, if I recall correctly. Yes, & then at the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther edited the Old Testament even further (he was also going to edit the New Testament of a couple of Books, but, in the end, they stayed in). Y'know, the more I find out about Martin Luther, the less I care for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 7:01:47 GMT
Do you hold that morality is objective? Last I checked, yes. Really? Name me an objective moral then.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 7:03:18 GMT
Really? Name me an objective moral then. The moral where I tell you to piss off. Here it is now. Piss off, Supes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 7:08:29 GMT
Really? Name me an objective moral then. The moral where I tell you to piss off. Here it is now. Piss off, Supes. You see if you had even a modicum of intelligence you'd know there is no objective morality only subjective. And I'll post as I like and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 7:09:08 GMT
Enjoy. I am intrigued by this book, along with the Book of Jasher (which I understand is accepted as canonical by Ethiopian Christians) and the Book of Jubilees. I suppose TPTB in the Third Century considered it too hot to handle, though, and so it was left out. And I wonder how many on this board besides myself regard evil as a spiritual force (like the Dark Side of the Force in Star Wars), or is evil merely subjective? As sinful, fleshly people, we are by our nature evil. However, the Bible says to resist the devil and to flee from temptation. So while saying the devil made me do it isn't correct because it double can't make us do anything, Satan and his demons do have influence over our lives. I can agree with most of that. Not sure if we are by our nature evil, but by our nature definitely susceptible to evil.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 12:23:54 GMT
I'm trying to decipher your assertion that "anything can be regarded as evil (or not evil) on any given day". How exactly does the Roe verses Wade decision address that? It's self-explanatory. If it was self-explanatory from an objective standpoint, then I wouldn't be asking you to explain it. The fact that this is your response suggests that you simply choose NOT to explain it. And if that's the case, so be it. My response based on your lack of explanation is that evil is evil (regardless of when it occurs). But it is not some supernatural force that compels people, but rather it is merely the expression of immoral thoughts and actions by men.
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Post by gadreel on Apr 20, 2017 18:15:07 GMT
Do you hold that morality is objective? Last I checked, yes. Then something that was evil on monday is always evil.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 18:37:36 GMT
Then something that was evil on monday is always evil. To me, yes. To society, no. What's your point?
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Post by gadreel on Apr 20, 2017 18:45:03 GMT
Then something that was evil on monday is always evil. To me, yes. To society, no. What's your point? My point is that if evil is objective then there is never a situation like you described where something is evil on monday but not on teusday. You have further added to me argument by admitting that you hold morality as different to others, making that morality subjective to you. Can you make any arguments that indicate that morality is objective?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 18:51:39 GMT
To me, yes. To society, no. What's your point? My point is that if evil is objective then there is never a situation like you described where something is evil on monday but not on teusday. You have further added to me argument by admitting that you hold morality as different to others, making that morality subjective to you. Can you make any arguments that indicate that morality is objective? No, I just believe it, like I believe Christ is the Savior.
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Post by gadreel on Apr 20, 2017 21:15:18 GMT
My point is that if evil is objective then there is never a situation like you described where something is evil on monday but not on teusday. You have further added to me argument by admitting that you hold morality as different to others, making that morality subjective to you. Can you make any arguments that indicate that morality is objective? No, I just believe it, like I believe Christ is the Savior. At least you admit that you have no rationale for that belief.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 22:50:42 GMT
Then something that was evil on monday is always evil. To me, yes. To society, no. What's your point? What do you mean "to society, no"? If evil is objective then it is the same for you as it is for anyone else in society. That's what the word objective means. "Society" can only have a different outlook on evil IF evil is "subjective" (which you just denied). So your argument is becoming very inconsistent here.
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Post by gadreel on Apr 21, 2017 0:14:13 GMT
To me, yes. To society, no. What's your point? What do you mean "to society, no"? If evil is objective then it is the same for you as it is for anyone else in society. That's what the word objective means. "Society" can only have a different outlook on evil IF evil is "subjective" (which you just denied). So your argument is becoming very inconsistent here. Tres surprise. honestly I don't think he understands what he is saying the internal contradictions are too great to indicate any real understanding.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 21, 2017 7:00:37 GMT
No, I just believe it, like I believe Christ is the Savior. At least you admit that you have no rationale for that belief. No, I didn't admit that. What rationale do you have to the contrary?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 21, 2017 7:02:20 GMT
To me, yes. To society, no. What's your point? What do you mean "to society, no"? If evil is objective then it is the same for you as it is for anyone else in society. That's what the word objective means. "Society" can only have a different outlook on evil IF evil is "subjective" (which you just denied). So your argument is becoming very inconsistent here. No, not really.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 21, 2017 10:45:11 GMT
What do you mean "to society, no"? If evil is objective then it is the same for you as it is for anyone else in society. That's what the word objective means. "Society" can only have a different outlook on evil IF evil is "subjective" (which you just denied). So your argument is becoming very inconsistent here. No, not really. Yes, really. You are totally contradicting yourself by saying that morality is objective, but that you interpret it differently from society. If that is true, then it cannot be objective. Right now it seems as if you don't understand what objective means. Objective:Not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.Intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book. Being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective). Of or relating to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.
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Post by gadreel on Apr 25, 2017 19:03:45 GMT
At least you admit that you have no rationale for that belief. No, I didn't admit that. What rationale do you have to the contrary? If you had a rationale you would be able to articulate it. I have articulated my rationale for both subjective morality (which you have demonstrated that despite not realising you actually support) and my belief in God. I imagine this will devolve into yet another string of you avoiding conversation on a message board and complaining about others being here for the wrong reasons.
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