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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:54:39 GMT
I know that there are Christians that are battling against homosexuality, but I'm not seeing where we are told to fight such a battle. A Christian is by definition, someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. I can't interpret his teachings as anything close to telling us to get into some sort of war with homosexuals. Do I find in reading the Bible that homosexuality is stated as wrong? Yes, I do. The bible states a lot of things are the wrong things to do, some things I do every day. I need to work on my own sins a whole lot before I go working on what anyone else is up to. I don't see the message of Jesus Christ as commissioning anyone to go out into the world and right all the things one finds from reading the Bible stated as wrong. Actually in reading the Bible, I believe much of his story was about his battles with those who were more about enforcing interpretations of religious texts on others than seeking a personal relationship with God. The message of Jesus Christ, and what being a Christian is to me, is to show others who Jesus is, why he came, and how he gives hope to all to develop a personal relationship with God. I don't see that message as instructing people to go through the Bible and point out to others what it says is not the right thing to do. if your house was on fire; and i knew you, the wife & the kids were sleeping, would you want me to tell you ?
perhaps you didn't see the original post - freak, slave, blasphemies, child sacrifice, satan ? - very subtle.
yeah, i'm going to speak up when the sodomites are teaching young children in our schools how to have *n*l sex !! at tax payer expense !
but i can't speak of how to get to heaven or Jesus. (yet our tax dollars now allow the teachings of homosexuals, of perversions, of godless athiesm, of islam and more).
most people are so brainwashed they don't even know what the truth of scripture is. the prophets have always been truth tellers
to nations in rebellion. scripture warns them thru people who dare to speak the truth in a world of madness.
read the words of Jesus, the apostles, even the prophets of old. fair warning is given to those who are perishing. repent.
especially to those who have declared war on us. look what has happened to the empires of old, those who forgot or ignored the warnings from the Word of God. they fell from the moral decay within. they were corrupted by their own depravity, made slaves to brutal tyranny.
ancient rome executed those who refused to worship caesar as a god. we are in a spiritual warfare for the soul of a nation.
i speak the truth for the sake of love, for those who are perishing. especially when i see our children at risk
I see how Jesus lived, and I am going to do my best to live like that. My track record isn't too good at achieving that goal, thankfully he's there to pick me up, dust me off, and send me on my way to try again. I fail a great deal in this. I'll share with anyone listening that he is there to do that for everybody. I share that with my family and pray they can go out into a world full of sin change it one heart at a time, making mistakes all along the way. If you are lead by your faith in God to change the world the way you are trying to, go for it. I just don't see that as how Jesus changed the world. |
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 15:27:05 GMT
in eden, we were created in a perfect world. sinless till tempted by evil; man was warned not to eat of ONE tree. out of a World full of trees and of choices, eve hung around talking to the serpent.
he made her question God,"has God said ?", doubt His Word. the temptation. then the lie.
then the serpent said "you will not surely die. for God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil". so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree Desirable to make one wise, she took of it's fruit and ate. she also gave to her husband with her and he ate it. ( Gen 3:4-6 )
now we know the difference between good & evil.
man fell and sin entered the world. man chooses. good or evil. this now is our nature, it was not our nature Before the fall.
our inclination now to sin is when man makes the mistake of choosing wrong.
If they didn't know the difference between good and evil how did they know that disobeying God was evil? Why did God allow serpent to tempt the two humans? Plus why should all humans pay for the mistakes of two other guys? It doesn't make any sense to me... Most Christians denominations have the doctrine of original sin that says exactly the opposite. That we are born sinful. and the Lord God commanded "of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die". Gen 2:16,17 told what it was, said don't eat of it, if you do, you will die. they knew it was forbidden. freely chosen. through adam sin entered a fallen world - we all die.
i believe scripture teaches we are tempted to see what is in our hearts. to see Whom will we serve - the devil or God.
God is inviting us home to live with Him. i think He Wants to be selective. He seeks US - with Faith to Trust the Truth & obey Him.
the devil's tricks will fool all who aren't interested in Truth, God's Word or Will.
*- the "doctrine" of "original sin"- (as defined from the "doctrines of men") is that we are born with adam's sin.
wrong . Error. Not in the Word of God.
we are born pure, sinless little babies. ask a newborn what he has done wrong, what sin he has committed. NONE.
that's the trouble of men making up all kinds of stupid things.
Not in the Word of God
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 23, 2019 15:35:03 GMT
If they didn't know the difference between good and evil how did they know that disobeying God was evil? Why did God allow serpent to tempt the two humans? Plus why should all humans pay for the mistakes of two other guys? It doesn't make any sense to me... Most Christians denominations have the doctrine of original sin that says exactly the opposite. That we are born sinful. and the Lord God commanded "of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die". Gen 2:16,17 told what it was, said don't eat of it, if you do, you will die. they knew it was forbidden. freely chosen. through adam sin entered a fallen world - we all die.
i believe scripture teaches we are tempted to see what is in our hearts. to see Whom will we serve - the devil or God.
God is inviting us home to live with Him. i think He Wants to be selective. He seeks US - with Faith to Trust the Truth & obey Him.
the devil's tricks will fool all who aren't interested in Truth, God's Word or Will.
*- the "doctrine" of "original sin"- (as defined from the "doctrines of men") is that we are born with adam's sin.
wrong . Error. Not in the Word of God.
we are born pure, sinless little babies. ask a newborn what he has done wrong, what sin he has committed. NONE.
that's the trouble of men making up all kinds of stupid things.
Not in the Word of God
Before the Fall of Man did, were Adam and Eve mortal? Why did He let the devil enter the garden in the first place= Fair enough regarding your views about original sin. It makes more sense that way, but you are surely aware, that your view is a minority among Christians.
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Post by itsmagic on Sept 23, 2019 16:37:27 GMT
and the Lord God commanded "of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall surely die". Gen 2:16,17 told what it was, said don't eat of it, if you do, you will die. they knew it was forbidden. freely chosen. through adam sin entered a fallen world - we all die.
i believe scripture teaches we are tempted to see what is in our hearts. to see Whom will we serve - the devil or God.
God is inviting us home to live with Him. i think He Wants to be selective. He seeks US - with Faith to Trust the Truth & obey Him.
the devil's tricks will fool all who aren't interested in Truth, God's Word or Will.
*- the "doctrine" of "original sin"- (as defined from the "doctrines of men") is that we are born with adam's sin.
wrong . Error. Not in the Word of God.
we are born pure, sinless little babies. ask a newborn what he has done wrong, what sin he has committed. NONE.
that's the trouble of men making up all kinds of stupid things.
Not in the Word of God
Before the Fall of Man did, were Adam and Eve mortal? Why did He let the devil enter the garden in the first place= Fair enough regarding your views about original sin. It makes more sense that way, but you are surely aware, that your view is a minority among Christians. God created a perfect place. man had perfect fellowship with God. sin & death had not ruined everything yet. they could have lived forever
in eden. but the serpent had been cast out of heaven to earth. the serpent ruined it trying to destroy them and God's plan.
the devil is just running amok on earth until he is thrown into hell with all his demons as it says in Revelation.
- i can give you chapter & verse for everything i believe. most "christian" groups are not based on scripture for doctrine, practice or teaching.
scripture says "in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men" Mark 7: 7
this is Why we have God's Word to follow. it's all in black & white for us to know the truth of God
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Post by goz on Sept 23, 2019 23:00:00 GMT
Before the Fall of Man did, were Adam and Eve mortal? Why did He let the devil enter the garden in the first place= Fair enough regarding your views about original sin. It makes more sense that way, but you are surely aware, that your view is a minority among Christians. God created a perfect place. man had perfect fellowship with God. sin & death had not ruined everything yet. they could have lived forever
in eden. but the serpent had been cast out of heaven to earth. the serpent ruined it trying to destroy them and God's plan.
the devil is just running amok on earth until he is thrown into hell with all his demons as it says in Revelation.
- i can give you chapter & verse for everything i believe. most "christian" groups are not based on scripture for doctrine, practice or teaching.
scripture says "in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men" Mark 7: 7
this is Why we have God's Word to follow. it's all in black & white for us to know the truth of God
Whilst I find your extremist fundamentalist views interesting in a 'point and stare' kind of way, I also feel appalled that an apparently intelligent human being can be so misguided about the ways of the world ( especially regarding poor old harmless homosexuals) and actually live their of life based on fear 'God' and all that other fictitious nonsense made up by ancient men of THEIR times. Don't get me wrong, there are some good messages in the Bible however all the other bollocks is contradictory at best and dangerous and hypocritical at worst.
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