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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2019 21:29:36 GMT
The archetypal quote for any religious message board.
… indicating a universality of the wonders of 'interpretation' of Biblical 'chapter and verse'.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 20, 2019 21:35:00 GMT
The archetypal quote for any religious message board. … indicating a universality of the wonders of 'interpretation' of Biblical 'chapter and verse'. Yep context never matters in interpretation. |
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2019 21:40:32 GMT
The archetypal quote for any religious message board. … indicating a universality of the wonders of 'interpretation' of Biblical 'chapter and verse'. Yep context never matters in interpretation. Well, it gives you lot something to argue about and start threads about! Where would the fun in message boards be without that? and STILL you all claim that the Bible is...well...the Bible and all true and sufficiently reliable upon which to base our whole lives health and happiness.....since old men 2,000 years ago wrote it as a representation of THEIR times and not ours!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 20, 2019 21:43:59 GMT
Yep context never matters in interpretation. Well, it gives you lot something to argue about and start threads about! Where would the fun in message boards be without that? and STILL you all claim that the Bible is...well...the Bible and all true and sufficiently reliable upon which to base our whole lives health and happiness.....since old men 2,000 years ago wrote it as a representation of THEIR times and not ours! when verses are used in context it reduces arguments. What increases arguments is when they are done with some who has never read scriptures except out of context. Of course without knowing the context from which you pulled the quote, it would seem this argument is pretty pointless too. |
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2019 21:50:55 GMT
Well, it gives you lot something to argue about and start threads about! Where would the fun in message boards be without that? and STILL you all claim that the Bible is...well...the Bible and all true and sufficiently reliable upon which to base our whole lives health and happiness.....since old men 2,000 years ago wrote it as a representation of THEIR times and not ours! when verses are used in context it reduces arguments. What increases arguments is when they are done with some who has never read scriptures except out of context. Of course without knowing the context from which you pulled the quote, it would seem this argument is pretty pointless too. Who's 'context'? It seems to be 'make your own context' for Bible study. Start with an agenda and search for something that 'seems' to bolster that agenda is the MO.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 20, 2019 22:25:41 GMT
The archetypal quote for any religious message board. … indicating a universality of the wonders of 'interpretation' of Biblical 'chapter and verse'. Yep context never matters in interpretation. True. And the overarching context is the culture(s) that wrote Bible; their history and relationship to other shared mythologies, as well as the culture and history of those who continue to claim and interpret its holy nature; and textual criticisms and reasons why human beings invent religion. Once you ground yourself in this, then the context within the biblical passages themselves takes on a whole new meaning.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 20, 2019 22:55:02 GMT
Yep context never matters in interpretation. True. And the overarching context is the culture(s) that wrote Bible; their history and relationship to other shared mythologies, as well as the culture and history of those who continue to claim and interpret its holy nature; and textual criticisms and reasons why human beings invent religion. Once you ground yourself in this, then the context within the biblical passages themselves takes on a whole new meaning. You would have to share the shared cultures in order to explained the shared context. Otherwise it just sounds like you are spouting gibberish to justify your perspective as some routinely do. Context on the other hand would actually reveal the more correct interpretation. Not using context reveals ignorance. I will wholly concede that these shared mythologies and cultures are outside my area of expertise until revealed to me. However, to assume them outside of Scripture without the more easily available context within scripture, it's just added ingredients to a pretty bad meal. It's like comparing Tolkien to Martin when there's no real reason to. If it's a shared mythology, then why would it be so difficult to actually share the mythology? but again this is all a moot point when the quote in and of itself is taken out of context. After all, the anonymous person from the unknowable thread could indeed be speaking nonsense.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 20, 2019 22:59:44 GMT
when verses are used in context it reduces arguments. What increases arguments is when they are done with some who has never read scriptures except out of context. Of course without knowing the context from which you pulled the quote, it would seem this argument is pretty pointless too. Who's 'context'? It seems to be 'make your own context' for Bible study. Start with an agenda and search for something that 'seems' to bolster that agenda is the MO. You don;t know what context is, do you? I'll help!  www.thoughtco.com/quoting-out-of-context-fallacy-250332
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 20, 2019 23:11:23 GMT
True. And the overarching context is the culture(s) that wrote Bible; their history and relationship to other shared mythologies, as well as the culture and history of those who continue to claim and interpret its holy nature; and textual criticisms and reasons why human beings invent religion. Once you ground yourself in this, then the context within the biblical passages themselves takes on a whole new meaning. You would have to share the shared cultures in order to explained the shared context. Otherwise it just sounds like you are spouting gibberish to justify your perspective as some routinely do. Context on the other hand would actually reveal the more correct interpretation. Not using context reveals ignorance. I will wholly concede that these shared mythologies and cultures are outside my area of expertise until revealed to me. However, to assume them outside of Scripture without the more easily available context within scripture, it's just added ingredients to a pretty bad meal. It's like comparing Tolkien to Martin when there's no real reason to. If it's a shared mythology, then why would it be so difficult to actually share the mythology? but again this is all a moot point when the quote in and of itself is taken out of context. After all, the anonymous person from the unknowable thread could indeed be speaking nonsense. It’s not gibberish if you know where to look like in history, ancient literature and philosophy, archeology, anthropology, linguistics, etc. The technical term is called cultural drift. The early church shared and borrowed a lot since many different cultures were converting. These folks brought their own myths and customs...which is why the Christmas and Easter holidays share a lot with paganism. This is true for the ancient Hebrews whose religion arose in the same context as other Mesopotamian and Egyptian religions.
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Post by goz on Sept 20, 2019 23:14:41 GMT
You make some good points, thus proving that the original context of the Bible is no longer applicable to today.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Sept 20, 2019 23:31:58 GMT
Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory.Darwin worked within the scientific limitations of his day. Now we have human genome and know we share 98% of our DNA with our closest hominid cousin, the chimpanzee. We also have many new discoveries in archeology and paleontology since Darwin. So in light of this context, there’s little to object to Darwin’s theory other than the limitations imposed upon by his era. Otherwise, he pretty much nailed his theory.
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