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Post by Sarge on Sept 26, 2019 23:06:36 GMT
Diversity at what? They are all superhero movies. You are overreacting to my post. Im just asking what you meant by the “Marvel formula”. I’m not overreacting, it’s just a simple question. Their diversity is in a pretty wide variety of styles, structure, themes, and character. So I'm honestly asking what you mean by formula. The neverending storyline that assures people will keep coming back to see the next installment regardless if it's good, every movie ending with a hook to the next, the big budget special effects and fast pacing that stimulate mentally and emotionally. Most of the performances are terrific, the worst ones are adequate. The writing is adequate and simple. But they are soulless and forgettable. In 10 years people will be talking about the new marvel movie, not these, just as everyone is talking about the current movies instead of ones from years ago. They are being cranked out like Big Macs on an assembly line. Logan doesn't have that factory feel, it stands out, and feels like a standalone film.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 26, 2019 23:15:40 GMT
Their diversity is in a pretty wide variety of styles, structure, themes, and character. So I'm honestly asking what you mean by formula. As for this, I completely disagree. The style structure and themes are nearly identical. I mean if all you watch are superhero movies then I could see your point. But if your pov zooms out to encompass a wide range of movies then marvel starts to blur together, they are are all big action superhero movies following a formula. The only diversity has been in casting.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 27, 2019 1:20:03 GMT
Their diversity is in a pretty wide variety of styles, structure, themes, and character. So I'm honestly asking what you mean by formula. As for this, I completely disagree. The style structure and themes are nearly identical. I mean if all you watch are superhero movies then I could see your point. But if your pov zooms out to encompass a wide range of movies then marvel starts to blur together, they are are all big action superhero movies following a formula. The only diversity has been in casting. They're supposed to feel like they’re in the same world and have connections. That’s the entire point. The connections are just extra, they aren’t the basis of the films. Logan actually feels like it could take place in the same world so what are you saying is so unique about it? Outside of that the MCU films have a pretty wide spectrum of styles and the writing is pretty dense and rewarding. I’d argue it’s more dense than Logan easily, but if you enjoy Logan more I won’t argue that, but it’s not due to a formula or lesser writing. The MCU is world class.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 27, 2019 5:07:46 GMT
As for this, I completely disagree. The style structure and themes are nearly identical. I mean if all you watch are superhero movies then I could see your point. But if your pov zooms out to encompass a wide range of movies then marvel starts to blur together, they are are all big action superhero movies following a formula. The only diversity has been in casting. They're supposed to feel like they’re in the same world and have connections. That’s the entire point. The connections are just extra, they aren’t the basis of the films. Logan actually feels like it could take place in the same world so what are you saying is so unique about it? Outside of that the MCU films have a pretty wide spectrum of styles and the writing is pretty dense and rewarding. I’d argue it’s more dense than Logan easily, but if you enjoy Logan more I won’t argue that, but it’s not due to a formula or lesser writing. The MCU is world class. As I sit and think about a response it occurred to me that Logan and Marvelverse movies really are about the same. Like many other franchise films, Star Wars, Expendables, etc., I enjoy the film while I'm watching but once the credits roll I'm thinking, "where do we go for dinner..." They're fun but I'm not interested in expending mental energy discussing them in depth because I just don't care. And while I do believe Logan is a better film with better performances and doesn't rely on special effects and high energy to be entertaining, I haven't thought about it at all since seeing it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 9:20:15 GMT
Logan shits all over the MCU films imo. It packed a punch, gritty as hell(thanks to a hard R rating) and gave Wolverine the perfect send off. Only MCU film that would come close to it is CA: The Winter Soldier.
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Post by hobowar on Sept 27, 2019 10:24:28 GMT
Logan shits all over the MCU films imo. It packed a punch, gritty as hell(thanks to a hard R rating) and gave Wolverine the perfect send off. Only MCU film that would come close to it is CA: The Winter Soldier. A perfect explanation for why it was so bad.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 27, 2019 12:27:58 GMT
They're supposed to feel like they’re in the same world and have connections. That’s the entire point. The connections are just extra, they aren’t the basis of the films. Logan actually feels like it could take place in the same world so what are you saying is so unique about it? Outside of that the MCU films have a pretty wide spectrum of styles and the writing is pretty dense and rewarding. I’d argue it’s more dense than Logan easily, but if you enjoy Logan more I won’t argue that, but it’s not due to a formula or lesser writing. The MCU is world class. As I sit and think about a response it occurred to me that Logan and Marvelverse movies really are about the same. Like many other franchise films, Star Wars, Expendables, etc., I enjoy the film while I'm watching but once the credits roll I'm thinking, "where do we go for dinner..." They're fun but I'm not interested in expending mental energy discussing them in depth because I just don't care. And while I do believe Logan is a better film with better performances and doesn't rely on special effects and high energy to be entertaining, I haven't thought about it at all since seeing it. Then I’d kindly say if you’ve treated them like disposable popcorn flicks, you’re missing a lot of interesting details and depth. They might use a lot of special effects, but what they are about doesn’t rely on that. IMO on a site like this, it would help put your perspective in context if you said you didn’t spend much time watching or thinking about them. It’s easier to Understand your views if we know that your opinion is based on a superficial and admittedly less interested understanding of the films. So knowing that you haven’t put much thought into it, I’d wonder if you’d even be interested in discussing something like the pairing structure of a Guardians 2. It’s the type of detail that for me didn’t exist in Logan and enhances the appreciation and enjoyment of the MCU.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 27, 2019 23:34:41 GMT
It’s still better than most, but the last couple times I’ve revisited it I just don’t love it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 5:10:10 GMT
Off the top of my head it would rank pretty damn high I think. In the Iron Man 1 area I think. Top 8 to 5 probably.
While some MCU movies may be more rewatchable to me it doesnt mean I like them more. I've only seen Logan once and thought it was a great movie. However it's a bit depressing and not exactly a movie I want to revisit often. Some MCU movies even the bad ones I've probably seen a couple times at least. They just tend to have a form of comfort level rewatching them. You can have them on and not really have to pay attention to every second of the film and not miss much upon a rewatch.
Prime example of this would be Batman & Robin vs The Dark Knight. I'd say TDK is by far the better movie but for me B&R is far more rewatchable.
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Post by Wakanda on Sept 28, 2019 7:08:15 GMT
Middle of the pack for me. Logan was a bit boring. I want my CBM's to entertain me. And pure as a film it wasnt nothing more than a average western. What makes it memorable is the fact its better than the rest of the X-verse and its the last for Hugh Jackman. Thats not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 23:03:41 GMT
Middle of the pack for me. Logan was a bit boring. I want my CBM's to entertain me. And pure as a film it wasnt nothing more than a average western. What makes it memorable is the fact its better than the rest of the X-verse and its the last for Hugh Jackman. Thats not enough. Weibs! You're back! Do you still hate me?
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Post by Sarge on Sept 28, 2019 23:08:41 GMT
IMO on a site like this, it would help put your perspective in context if you said you didn’t spend much time watching or thinking about them. It’s easier to Understand your views if we know that your opinion is based on a superficial and admittedly less interested understanding of the films. So knowing that you haven’t put much thought into it, I’d wonder if you’d even be interested in discussing something like the pairing structure of a Guardians 2. It’s the type of detail that for me didn’t exist in Logan and enhances the appreciation and enjoyment of the MCU. Well respectfully there isn't much to think about. All films have structure, that doesn't make them entertaining. I can sit and ponder canned green beans all day, but they are still going to be canned green beans. There is already this thread for discussing it and nothing insightful has been said that would change my opinion Logan was a better film.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 29, 2019 0:31:48 GMT
IMO on a site like this, it would help put your perspective in context if you said you didn’t spend much time watching or thinking about them. It’s easier to Understand your views if we know that your opinion is based on a superficial and admittedly less interested understanding of the films. So knowing that you haven’t put much thought into it, I’d wonder if you’d even be interested in discussing something like the pairing structure of a Guardians 2. It’s the type of detail that for me didn’t exist in Logan and enhances the appreciation and enjoyment of the MCU. Well respectfully there isn't much to think about. All films have structure, that doesn't make them entertaining. I can sit and ponder canned green beans all day, but they are still going to be canned green beans. There is already this thread for discussing it and nothing insightful has been said that would change my opinion Logan was a better film. I asked if you would be interested in a breakdown of the pairing structure of Guardians 2. And that’s just the start. But I don’t want it burden you if you aren’t interested. But there is much more to think about with the MCU films, which is why so many of comments here say there isn’t much interesting about Logan.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 29, 2019 3:45:43 GMT
Well respectfully there isn't much to think about. All films have structure, that doesn't make them entertaining. I can sit and ponder canned green beans all day, but they are still going to be canned green beans. There is already this thread for discussing it and nothing insightful has been said that would change my opinion Logan was a better film. I asked if you would be interested in a breakdown of the pairing structure of Guardians 2. And that’s just the start. But I don’t want it burden you if you aren’t interested. But there is much more to think about with the MCU films, which is why so many of comments here say there isn’t much interesting about Logan. I doubt it. I'm not the one holding you or anyone else back from putting out an effort post. So far, the only reasons for anything have been given by people who liked Logan more, the MCU fanbois are just expressing unsupported opinions.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 29, 2019 4:00:48 GMT
I asked if you would be interested in a breakdown of the pairing structure of Guardians 2. And that’s just the start. But I don’t want it burden you if you aren’t interested. But there is much more to think about with the MCU films, which is why so many of comments here say there isn’t much interesting about Logan. I doubt it. I'm not the one holding you or anyone else back from putting out an effort post. So far, the only reasons for anything have been given by people who liked Logan more, the MCU fanbois are just expressing unsupported opinions. well it is no problem to support it, so I’ll get back to you in the morning. Also if you enjoy Logan more, that’s fine, I was just referring to your comment that you hadn’t thought about the MCU films and if so then I feel you’re missing a great deal. They are certainly more than throwing in connections and cgi. There’s a lot going on and a lot of thought put into so many scenes. Heading to bed.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 29, 2019 18:00:27 GMT
I doubt it. I'm not the one holding you or anyone else back from putting out an effort post. So far, the only reasons for anything have been given by people who liked Logan more, the MCU fanbois are just expressing unsupported opinions. well it is no problem to support it, so I’ll get back to you in the morning. Also if you enjoy Logan more, that’s fine, I was just referring to your comment that you hadn’t thought about the MCU films and if so then I feel you’re missing a great deal. They are certainly more than throwing in connections and cgi. There’s a lot going on and a lot of thought out into so many scenes. Heading to bed. I think you are still trying to convince me the MCU is good, which is something I've said several times, and losing focus on Logan.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 29, 2019 18:27:30 GMT
well it is no problem to support it, so I’ll get back to you in the morning. Also if you enjoy Logan more, that’s fine, I was just referring to your comment that you hadn’t thought about the MCU films and if so then I feel you’re missing a great deal. They are certainly more than throwing in connections and cgi. There’s a lot going on and a lot of thought out into so many scenes. Heading to bed. I think you are still trying to convince me the MCU is good, which is something I've said several times, and losing focus on Logan. I was just going to point out some of the details you said you hadn’t thought about. I know you enjoy the series, which is cool, it’s just more than formulaic popcorn fun if you want to enjoy it on a deeper level. Tell you what, if you get the chance, check out this series for a fantastic collaboration of deep thoughts into individual scenes. m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd7v7nQLQGwKQxfPtUPz6i1h3-JVxBx0D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 4:54:40 GMT
I doubt it. I'm not the one holding you or anyone else back from putting out an effort post. So far, the only reasons for anything have been given by people who liked Logan more, the MCU fanbois are just expressing unsupported opinions. well it is no problem to support it, so I’ll get back to you in the morning. Also if you enjoy Logan more, that’s fine, I was just referring to your comment that you hadn’t thought about the MCU films and if so then I feel you’re missing a great deal. They are certainly more than throwing in connections and cgi. There’s a lot going on and a lot of thought put into so many scenes. Heading to bed. Have a good night!
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Post by Wakanda on Sept 30, 2019 8:20:46 GMT
Middle of the pack for me. Logan was a bit boring. I want my CBM's to entertain me. And pure as a film it wasnt nothing more than a average western. What makes it memorable is the fact its better than the rest of the X-verse and its the last for Hugh Jackman. Thats not enough. Weibs! You're back! Do you still hate me? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:40:00 GMT
Weibs! You're back! Do you still hate me? Yes lol
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