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Post by zoilus on Apr 15, 2017 18:01:24 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 15, 2017 18:13:52 GMT
That quote was silly.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 15, 2017 18:43:07 GMT
I do find it kinda odd so many Republicans worship someone that was basically a hippie socialist
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Post by zoilus on Apr 15, 2017 19:25:13 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 15, 2017 19:44:25 GMT
Probably because it's stupid to equate Jesus with politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 19:48:09 GMT
Why do liars avoid the truth and blame others for their own faults?
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Post by zoilus on Apr 15, 2017 19:49:50 GMT
Probably because it's stupid to equate Jesus with politics. No it isn't. Many people - particularly politicians - use their religion to dictate their political ideologies. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 15, 2017 19:52:45 GMT
Probably because it's stupid to equate Jesus with politics. No it isn't. Many people - particularly politicians - use their religion to dictate their political ideologies. That has nothing to do with Jesus, Christians, or Christianity. Jesus wasn't political so there's no way to warp his teachings into some kind of retarded poltical ideology. All classes and creeds of people benefit from the teaching |
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Post by zoilus on Apr 15, 2017 19:55:37 GMT
That has nothing to do with Jesus, Christians, or Christianity. Jesus wasn't political so there's no way to warp his teachings into some kind of retarded poltical ideology. All classes and creeds of people benefit from the teaching It has everything to do with jesus, christians and christianity. How do you think christians come to have the political beliefs they have? 'The bible says...!' It seems you're being intentionally thick. That or you're incredibly stupid. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 15, 2017 19:59:06 GMT
What someone says or believes politically is irrelevant to Jesus' teachings.
Not sure how many times I have to waste my time saying that.
Prove me wrong rather than bring up what people do for their own benefit or insulting me simply for challenging what is turning out to be a dumb thread.
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Post by zoilus on Apr 15, 2017 20:15:01 GMT
What someone says or believes politically is irrelevant to Jesus' teachings. Not sure how many times I have to waste my time saying that. Prove me wrong rather than bring up what people do for their own benefit or insulting me simply for challenging what is turning out to be a dumb thread. Stop pretending there is no correlation between a person's political beliefs and their religious beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 20:31:38 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that many Christians don't even try to act like Jesus. But that said...
Jesus didn't come to give us a new political system. So when the left tries to hijack him (as the author of that quote did), then they're being just as stupid as those on the right who insist that Jesus would support Trump.
The system that Jesus inaugurated transcends political parties and national boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 20:38:30 GMT
Jesus was also anti-sin, anti-blasphemy, anti-materialism, and anti-self indulgence. Your little quote doesn't mention any of that though. Doesn't quite fit the narrative does it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 21:55:31 GMT
Many of today's Christians are Ayn Rand disciples who not only ignore the exhortations of Jesus to help the poor, but actually believe that it is immoral to do something to help others unless guided by selfish motives. Jesus would think that Republican-voting Christians were the absolute scourge of the universe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 22:11:08 GMT
Jesus was also anti-sin, anti-blasphemy, anti-materialism, and anti-self indulgence. Your little quote doesn't mention any of that though. Doesn't quite fit the narrative does it? All that shows is that Christians pick and choose which of Jesus' teachings they wish to follow. But the fact remains is that the character of Jesus would be deeply troubled by the behaviour and attitudes of anyone who would vote for a fiscally conservative political party. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:35:23 GMT
Jesus was also anti-sin, anti-blasphemy, anti-materialism, and anti-self indulgence. Your little quote doesn't mention any of that though. Doesn't quite fit the narrative does it? All that shows is that Christians pick and choose which of Jesus' teachings they wish to follow. But the fact remains is that the character of Jesus would be deeply troubled by the behaviour and attitudes of anyone who would vote for a fiscally conservative political party. Jesus didn't opine about what government programs would be best. He preached charity. Government programs aren't charity. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:53:48 GMT
All that shows is that Christians pick and choose which of Jesus' teachings they wish to follow. But the fact remains is that the character of Jesus would be deeply troubled by the behaviour and attitudes of anyone who would vote for a fiscally conservative political party. Jesus didn't opine about what government programs would be best. He preached charity. Government programs aren't charity. This is what conservative Christians always uses an excuse for their unchristian greed. But it is very unlikely that Jesus (if he existed and said the things attributed to him) would have been happy for capitalists to exploit the poor or for the rich to shirk social responsibility. Given the fact that there is still poverty even with the existence of a threadbare safety net, there is no reason to think that those 'upstanding' Christian conservatives would voluntarily provide for the less fortunate. They would just invoke the 'personal responsibility' clause to excuse themselves from having to donate to charities. Furthermore, many Christians are disciples of Ayn Rand, whose 'philosophy' holds that any kind of charitable giving or activity is immoral. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 1:00:52 GMT
Jesus didn't opine about what government programs would be best. He preached charity. Government programs aren't charity. This is what conservative Christians always uses an excuse for their unchristian greed. But it is very unlikely that Jesus (if he existed and said the things attributed to him) would have been happy for capitalists to exploit the poor or for the rich to shirk social responsibility. Given the fact that there is still poverty even with the existence of a threadbare safety net, there is no reason to think that those 'upstanding' Christian conservatives would voluntarily provide for the less fortunate. They would just invoke the 'personal responsibility' clause to excuse themselves from having to donate to charities. Furthermore, many Christians are disciples of Ayn Rand, whose 'philosophy' holds that any kind of charitable giving or activity is immoral. Numerous studies have shown that conservatives give more to charity than liberals. But regardless, you miss the point entirely. Jesus didn't preach about government programs. Period. And keep in mind that I'm not disagreeing with you that a lot of Christians are greedy. They undoubtedly are. But Jesus wasn't interested in tinkering with political programs and paradigms. That's what we're talking about here. He demanded that his followers be radically charitable. That's a personal thing. People can disagree about which government programs are best for the poor. Perhaps perpetual dependency on government isn't the answer. Or maybe it is. I dunno. But either way, that's not what Jesus was talking about. Also, I know a lot of Christians (probably more than you). Don't know a single one of them who are disciples of Ayn Rand (an atheist) or who think that charitable giving is immoral. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 1:12:24 GMT
This is what conservative Christians always uses an excuse for their unchristian greed. But it is very unlikely that Jesus (if he existed and said the things attributed to him) would have been happy for capitalists to exploit the poor or for the rich to shirk social responsibility. Given the fact that there is still poverty even with the existence of a threadbare safety net, there is no reason to think that those 'upstanding' Christian conservatives would voluntarily provide for the less fortunate. They would just invoke the 'personal responsibility' clause to excuse themselves from having to donate to charities. Furthermore, many Christians are disciples of Ayn Rand, whose 'philosophy' holds that any kind of charitable giving or activity is immoral. Numerous studies have shown that conservatives give more to charity than liberals. But regardless, you miss the point entirely. Jesus didn't preach about government programs. Period. And keep in mind that I'm not disagreeing with you that a lot of Christians are greedy. They undoubtedly are. But Jesus wasn't interested in tinkering with political programs and paradigms. That's what we're talking about here. Also, I know a lot of Christians (probably more than you). Don't know a single one of them who are disciples of Ayn Rand (an atheist) and who think charitable giving is immoral. So you don't think that Jesus would have been in favour of government intervention, even if such was the only bulwark to prevent the systematic oppression and exploitation of the poor and vulnerable? Even if you can't say that the character of Jesus was in favour of socialist government, it would be difficult to make a strong Biblical case for the predatory capitalism that is fetishised by Christian conservatives. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 1:18:18 GMT
Numerous studies have shown that conservatives give more to charity than liberals. But regardless, you miss the point entirely. Jesus didn't preach about government programs. Period. And keep in mind that I'm not disagreeing with you that a lot of Christians are greedy. They undoubtedly are. But Jesus wasn't interested in tinkering with political programs and paradigms. That's what we're talking about here. Also, I know a lot of Christians (probably more than you). Don't know a single one of them who are disciples of Ayn Rand (an atheist) and who think charitable giving is immoral. So you don't think that Jesus would have been in favour of government intervention, even if such was the only bulwark to prevent the systematic oppression and exploitation of the poor and vulnerable? Even if you can't say that the character of Jesus was in favour of socialist government, it would be difficult to make a strong Biblical case for the predatory capitalism that is fetishised by Christian conservatives. Poor people are better off in capitalist countries than in socialist/communist ones. This isn't Jesus's opinion. It's mine (and it's based on evidence). As Milton Friedman used to say, amongst all the imperfect alternatives, capitalism is ultimately the best economic system for all classes of people. At least our poor have air conditioning and computers and video game counsels. Jesus's opinion is that his followers should give more of their money to the poor, regardless of which economic system they find themselves in. |
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