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Post by millar70 on Sept 30, 2019 18:28:58 GMT
I've never been a jersey guy, I've always thought wearing a jersey with another guy's name on the back is kind of weird. I used to wear Red Sox caps, but I'm not much of a hat guy so not so much anymore. A t-shirt with a team's logo is about enough for me. I don't see the need to advertise who I root for, hang out with me for awhile and you'll find out who my teams are.
It's funny about the Red Sox, 20 years ago if I saw someone wearing Red Sox gear out here in California, I would start a conversation with them, which would always be pretty cool and a nice reminder of where I came from and why I love Boston sports. I've had very good friendships develop simply because the other person was wearing a Sox hat.
Unfortunately, that has changed significantly in the last 10 years. I swear, now most folks around here that wear Sox gear have absolutely no idea about the history of the team or any of it's great players. I bring up guys like Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst, hell even Dwight Evans, and they look clueless. That might be a frontrunner thing or a generational type of thing, but it's gotten so annoying that I no longer bring that stuff up anymore. Plus, out here there are lots of Pats fans simply because of the Brady success and nothing else. Ask these folks about Sam Cunningham and they look lost in space.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 30, 2019 18:30:09 GMT
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wearing a jersey at any age, despite what Frogs says. I myself only have two older ones that I never got rid of - Flyers John LeClair black jersey and a powder blue LaDanian Tomlinson Chargers jersey. I do have some t-shirts with names - Zach Ertz, Joel Embiid, Claude Giroux, Carlos Ruiz, Halladay. Have some more general team shirts without names too. I also have a hat for each local team except the Flyers but I do find that I make it a point not to wear the hat when I’m wearing one of the shirts except at the game itself or during playoff football. But I imagine in any big city like NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, etc. people wear team gear. I don’t think anything of it as long as it’s local. But if you’re not from Texas and you’re wearing an Elliott or Prescott jersey, you’re a fuckin tool.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 30, 2019 18:50:39 GMT
Good questions. I'm here to answer. I have spiritual tattoos (Hidden). Too many to count right now on my upper biceps, back and shoulders. They're quotes that mean something personal to me (i.e. experiences I've been through in life that relate to me and struck a cord which I continually go back to when in a state of self doubt, trouble, etc) - and as far as my Celtic crosses - they are from where my ancestors resided. They are hidden - as at work I have to wear dockers, polos and button downs. I find graphic t's are fine in certain circumstances. i.e. going to a game with a simple team logo - nothing too flashy or elaborate though. For instance - at a Flyers game a black t with a 'medium' Flyers logo in the middle across the chest is sufficient. I wouldn't wear one to the chain restaurants I typically frequent - i.e. the Bonefish Grills, Outback Steakhouses of the world. So when going to to the store (i.e. food shopping) - I simply wear a 'plain t'. I can't stress 'plain' enough - no phrases or logos. i.e. a dark navy blue or charcoal grey looks magnificent with jeans. Regarding tees (and this echoes back to the post by TheGoodMan19 ). I respect your fashion sense but I see things differently. I wear button downs to work everyday, but underneath I always have a graphic tee, as I do when I go out. Graphic tees, whether it's a sports team, a superhero, Star Wars, a band, NASA or whatever are just my way of having fun. It has less to do with sending a message to anyone else as it does reflecting my mood. It's like I was saying about what separates me from the Steelers family. They want you to know they like the Steelers. I just like the Patriots. I'm the dork that wears a Batman shirt to a Batman movie because I'm in a Batman mood (which before you laugh, is equivalent to wearing a team t-shirt to a game). I don't need you to know I'm a Batman fan. I'm in the theater to see a Batman movie so you know that already. It's just what I felt like wearing. Maybe I'm wearing a Led Zeppelin t-shirt because I listened to a few of my favorite tracks last night, I'm not looking for a soulmate who also likes Zep. So I don't see it as a billboard so much as something comfortable that reflects what I'm 'feeling' at that moment. I like what I like, and it's an expression of my taste no more or less than your plain tees. And I don't see the big deal with names on jerseys. It's an endorsement of that player, same as a Batman t-shirt. "I like the way this guy operates." But you're not into either so I know that won't make sense to you anyway. Regarding tattoos. I don't have anything against tats, I have friends who have plenty. But personally it's not my thing. Basically for the same inherent logic as my appreciation for graphic tees. I'm not always in a Batman mood or a Patriots mood or a Zep mood. I don't want it reflected on my body all day every day because it doesn't define me. I feel like a tattoo is a serious commitment to an idea; a permanent marking on your skin is suggesting the concept represented is a part of your core being. But that's my perspective. To some, tattoos are just 'billboards' to broadcast your interests. Either way I'm not into them because broadcasting isn't my thing (as discussed earlier) and if you want to know my personal mantra or whatever, just ask me. Like with team gear, I do think there's a limit to how much ink you can have before it gets ridiculous. Before my sports shirt phase, i had my concert t shirt phase. I had umpteen Rolling Stones shirts, Beatles (seen the Stones, not the Beatles), Zeppelin, Kinks, etc, etc etc. All gone except my Stones shirt signed by Charlie Watts. I don't wear it, obviously.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 30, 2019 19:02:05 GMT
One way to not lose the kids at Disney World.
I will certainly wear a team item out, but I have few and they are too ragged now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 21:12:12 GMT
I can understand that mindset. I do think there is a limit on how much team apparel you can wear on a daily basis. If you're going to a game or an event then I'm all for decking out for your team.
In terms of my own clothes, I own tons of jerseys but never wear them outside of going to a game or tailgating. Got 3 Packers jerseys, 2 Titans jerseys (I liked the style of them at the time which was 15ish years ago), a few Braves jerseys etc. I have a few team based t shirts and so on. I do have a ton of team based hats though as I wear hats damn near every day. Not balding or anything i just like to wear them. Got Braves, Packers, Hawkeyes, Fighting Irish etc. Got some team based hoodies as well.
But yeah, I think there is a limit. If it's a shirt/hoodie and a hat than I think that's fine. I mostly wear what is comfortable and dont much care wtf is on it. Hell I wear a pink Jigglypuff (it's a pokemon for those wondering) shirt from time to time cuz it's a comfortable shirt. I might look stupid to some but wtf do I care? Not like I'm out trying to impress anybody.
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Post by poelzig on Sept 30, 2019 21:40:14 GMT
You've also criticized graphic tees in the past. I'm curious, what do you wear as casual attire? Is it ever acceptable to reference anything with your clothes or is it all button downs, polos and suitcoats for you? On a somewhat related note (I'm hijacking the thread a bit, but it's my thread so I guess I'm just making a detour), how do you feel about tattoos? Good questions. I'm here to answer. I have spiritual tattoos (Hidden). Too many to count right now on my upper biceps, back and shoulders. They're quotes that mean something personal to me (i.e. experiences I've been through in life that relate to me and struck a cord which I continually go back to when in a state of self doubt, trouble, etc) - and as far as my Celtic crosses - they are from where my ancestors resided. They are hidden - as at work I have to wear dockers, polos and button downs. I find graphic t's are fine in certain circumstances. i.e. going to a game with a simple team logo - nothing too flashy or elaborate though. For instance - at a Flyers game a black t with a 'medium' Flyers logo in the middle across the chest is sufficient. I wouldn't wear one to the chain restaurants I typically frequent - i.e. the Bonefish Grills, Outback Steakhouses of the world. So when going to to the store (i.e. food shopping) - I simply wear a 'plain t'. I can't stress 'plain' enough - no phrases or logos. i.e. a dark navy blue or charcoal grey looks magnificent with jeans. You have numerous tats but you keep them hidden? You love movies and sports but are too uptight to own much less wear a shirt of a movie or character or team you like? Damn bro you're all fucked up it seems. You don't seem to care what people think on here so why are you so concerned what a bunch of strangers in public think? Is it a cult thing?
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 30, 2019 22:05:21 GMT
Unfortunately, that has changed significantly in the last 10 years. I swear, now most folks around here that wear Sox gear have absolutely no idea about the history of the team or any of it's great players. I bring up guys like Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst, hell even Dwight Evans, and they look clueless. That might be a frontrunner thing or a generational type of thing, but it's gotten so annoying that I no longer bring that stuff up anymore. Plus, out here there are lots of Pats fans simply because of the Brady success and nothing else. Ask these folks about Sam Cunningham and they look lost in space. I haven't seen it in sports, but that is 100% of the case with music t-shirts, especially in the case of 70s/80s bands and twenty year olds. Not only do they not know the band, they didn't know it was a band - - to them, it's just a cool design.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Sept 30, 2019 22:14:05 GMT
Unfortunately, that has changed significantly in the last 10 years. I swear, now most folks around here that wear Sox gear have absolutely no idea about the history of the team or any of it's great players. I bring up guys like Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst, hell even Dwight Evans, and they look clueless. That might be a frontrunner thing or a generational type of thing, but it's gotten so annoying that I no longer bring that stuff up anymore. Plus, out here there are lots of Pats fans simply because of the Brady success and nothing else. Ask these folks about Sam Cunningham and they look lost in space. I haven't seen it in sports, but that is 100% of the case with music t-shirts, especially in the case of 70s/80s bands and twenty year olds. Not only do they not know the band, they didn't know it was a band - - to them, it's just a cool design. I swear if I see Kendall Jenner in another Slayer or Iron Maiden t-shirt I’m going to lose my mind. There’s no fucking way she’s walking around the mansion singing “Raining Blood.” |
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 30, 2019 22:15:41 GMT
This is a thread about fandom. How much is too much fandom? To me there's a difference between being a fan, and wanting to identify first and foremost as a fan of a particular team. I don't know what message you're sending to people, but it isn't a good one. Now, I'm on record saying there's nothing wrong with people casually wearing jerseys or whatever else they want to wear. But to me there are limits. I don't wear jerseys to go grocery shopping, but I'm not going to balk if you do. But let's say a jersey and a hat? Or say, a t-shirt, jacket and hat? If you're going to a game, fine. If it's opening day or a playoff game...I'll accept it. Otherwise it's overkill. You know what crosses the line into the embarrassment zone? The entire family I saw at Disneyworld a couple weeks ago decked out in Steelers gear. It's wasn't just sadly comical because it was Steelers gear, but because Mom, Dad, and the two kids all had Steelers t-shirts and hats on. All of them. At Disneyworld. "This is the most crowded place I've ever been, and if I drop dead today, above all else, these people will know we're Steelers fans." Conversely, I packed my Patriots hat so I made sure not pack a Pats t-shirt so as not to cross the line from "Hey, I like this team," or "Hey, this is something I'm into," into "HEY EVERYONE I ROOT FOR THE PATRIOTS SO THERE." Mostly because I'm not a dipshit, but also because nobody cares. (Though I have to admit, knowing how pissy Steelers fans are, I really hope they saw my Pats hat.) If I'm wearing a Pats or Red Sox hoodie or a hat while I'm traveling I'll get nods or comments of recognition from other Boston sports fans, and the closest thing I've had to a negative reaction was a kid in Chicago giving me a hard time about the Patriots while not actually saying anything negative. (Again, Midwest. They're good people.) Maybe I'd get a bigger reaction if I wore five pieces of team gear? Or if I made my wife and son also wear Pats gear around Disney with me? Maybe they do it for attention, good or bad? I don't get it. Thoughts/opinions on how much is too much when it comes to expressing your fandom? Are you guys with me or am I just an asshole? Fair enough I am an asshole, but does anyone agree/disagree with me here? Every fuckwad Chowd in San Diego: Red Sox hat while wearing Brady jersey (nobody else, because, they're Patriots fans and they didn't even know what football was before 2001 and because they're boney little leprechauns who have zero athletic ability between all six states of them, so they can't play a lick except for at Salve Regina) - - to the restaurant, to the supermarket, to church, to the beach (Chowds at the beach: biggest car wreck you can possibly see. God, my eyes). General point: one piece, unless you're 13 or under, at a bar actively watching the game, or at the stadium. But really, what do I care? Live and let live for people who aren't being purposefully harmful.
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Post by millar70 on Sept 30, 2019 22:20:32 GMT
Unfortunately, that has changed significantly in the last 10 years. I swear, now most folks around here that wear Sox gear have absolutely no idea about the history of the team or any of it's great players. I bring up guys like Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst, hell even Dwight Evans, and they look clueless. That might be a frontrunner thing or a generational type of thing, but it's gotten so annoying that I no longer bring that stuff up anymore. Plus, out here there are lots of Pats fans simply because of the Brady success and nothing else. Ask these folks about Sam Cunningham and they look lost in space. I haven't seen it in sports, but that is 100% of the case with music t-shirts, especially in the case of 70s/80s bands and twenty year olds. Not only do they not know the band, they didn't know it was a band - - to them, it's just a cool design. I've worked with a couple of different youngsters in the last couple of years who have never heard bands like Zeppelin, Yes, and The Doors. They had heard of the bands, but had never heard any of their music. This boggles my mind. How do you go through life without being able to recognize a Led Zeppelin song when you hear it? I can't even imagine that kind of mindset. I grew up in the 70s and 80s, yet I did at least know what artists like Elvis, Buddy Holly, and Frank Sinatra sounded like. I heard their songs and was aware of their music. |
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Post by Marv on Sept 30, 2019 23:51:13 GMT
I haven't seen it in sports, but that is 100% of the case with music t-shirts, especially in the case of 70s/80s bands and twenty year olds. Not only do they not know the band, they didn't know it was a band - - to them, it's just a cool design. I've worked with a couple of different youngsters in the last couple of years who have never heard bands like Zeppelin, Yes, and The Doors. They had heard of the bands, but had never heard any of their music. This boggles my mind. How do you go through life without being able to recognize a Led Zeppelin song when you hear it? I can't even imagine that kind of mindset. I grew up in the 70s and 80s, yet I did at least know what artists like Elvis, Buddy Holly, and Frank Sinatra sounded like. I heard their songs and was aware of their music. The further away you get from it the less people are gonna know about it. Especially when it’s not even within the most popular genre of youths for the past few decades. |
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Post by marco26 on Oct 1, 2019 0:16:32 GMT
No problem at all wearing a football jersey...the reason is they actually look good. I look like Andy Garcia circa GODFATHER III, but when I wear a white Giants jersey, pair of blue jeans, and some Pumas on my feet I actually look better than Andy Garcia circa GODFATHER III. Basketball jerseys, hockey jerseys (just look at the guy who made CLERKS), and baseball jerseys really do not look good, but a football jersey can. It's not bad casual fashion, really.
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Post by siberianhusky on Oct 1, 2019 0:34:21 GMT
I huge fan of Russian National Team in all sports and love watching them crush puny western teams. I take very personally when they lose.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 1, 2019 7:02:27 GMT
Good questions. I'm here to answer. I have spiritual tattoos (Hidden). Too many to count right now on my upper biceps, back and shoulders. They're quotes that mean something personal to me (i.e. experiences I've been through in life that relate to me and struck a cord which I continually go back to when in a state of self doubt, trouble, etc) - and as far as my Celtic crosses - they are from where my ancestors resided. They are hidden - as at work I have to wear dockers, polos and button downs. I find graphic t's are fine in certain circumstances. i.e. going to a game with a simple team logo - nothing too flashy or elaborate though. For instance - at a Flyers game a black t with a 'medium' Flyers logo in the middle across the chest is sufficient. I wouldn't wear one to the chain restaurants I typically frequent - i.e. the Bonefish Grills, Outback Steakhouses of the world. So when going to to the store (i.e. food shopping) - I simply wear a 'plain t'. I can't stress 'plain' enough - no phrases or logos. i.e. a dark navy blue or charcoal grey looks magnificent with jeans. You have numerous tats but you keep them hidden? You love movies and sports but are too uptight to own much less wear a shirt of a movie or character or team you like? Damn bro you're all fucked up it seems. You don't seem to care what people think on here so why are you so concerned what a bunch of strangers in public think? Is it a cult thing? I work in a white collared world and an office setting. My work/career pays my bills. My tats are for 'Me' - they mean something to 'Me' - which is why they are hidden and I could care less about showing them off. I interview constantly. Stick and move every 2-3 years. If you're bored at a company and stuck at the same level - by sticking around you're not doing yourself any good, nor are you doing the company any good and it's time to move on. So yeah - rolling into an interview or your 1st day of work with tatts all over you isn't a good look in a white collared business world. It has nothing to do with caring about what people think. It's about getting and maintaining a job in my industry. Who says I'm uptight to not wear a movie t-shirt? Maybe for my particular tastes it screams giant dork if you're that grown man wearing a Wonder Woman t-shirt. If your that guy who does wear them - knock yourself out and you do you. You seem to be under the impression I'd be comfortable wearing a Spiderman t-shirt in public but care what general perception is - nah - I just ain't that guy who likes comic book movies and for my particular tastes - notice I said my tastes - not yours - it's not 'Me'. I'm an individual as we all are - I have my own particular tastes - apologies if rockin' a Green Lantern t-shirt isn't one of them.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2019 11:55:01 GMT
This is a thread about fandom. How much is too much fandom? To me there's a difference between being a fan, and wanting to identify first and foremost as a fan of a particular team. I don't know what message you're sending to people, but it isn't a good one. Now, I'm on record saying there's nothing wrong with people casually wearing jerseys or whatever else they want to wear. But to me there are limits. I don't wear jerseys to go grocery shopping, but I'm not going to balk if you do. But let's say a jersey and a hat? Or say, a t-shirt, jacket and hat? If you're going to a game, fine. If it's opening day or a playoff game...I'll accept it. Otherwise it's overkill. You know what crosses the line into the embarrassment zone? The entire family I saw at Disneyworld a couple weeks ago decked out in Steelers gear. It's wasn't just sadly comical because it was Steelers gear, but because Mom, Dad, and the two kids all had Steelers t-shirts and hats on. All of them. At Disneyworld. "This is the most crowded place I've ever been, and if I drop dead today, above all else, these people will know we're Steelers fans." Conversely, I packed my Patriots hat so I made sure not pack a Pats t-shirt so as not to cross the line from "Hey, I like this team," or "Hey, this is something I'm into," into "HEY EVERYONE I ROOT FOR THE PATRIOTS SO THERE." Mostly because I'm not a dipshit, but also because nobody cares. (Though I have to admit, knowing how pissy Steelers fans are, I really hope they saw my Pats hat.) If I'm wearing a Pats or Red Sox hoodie or a hat while I'm traveling I'll get nods or comments of recognition from other Boston sports fans, and the closest thing I've had to a negative reaction was a kid in Chicago giving me a hard time about the Patriots while not actually saying anything negative. (Again, Midwest. They're good people.) Maybe I'd get a bigger reaction if I wore five pieces of team gear? Or if I made my wife and son also wear Pats gear around Disney with me? Maybe they do it for attention, good or bad? I don't get it. Thoughts/opinions on how much is too much when it comes to expressing your fandom? Are you guys with me or am I just an asshole? Fair enough I am an asshole, but does anyone agree/disagree with me here? Every fuckwad Chowd in San Diego: Red Sox hat while wearing Brady jersey (nobody else, because, they're Patriots fans and they didn't even know what football was before 2001 and because they're boney little leprechauns who have zero athletic ability between all six states of them, so they can't play a lick except for at Salve Regina) - - to the restaurant, to the supermarket, to church, to the beach (Chowds at the beach: biggest car wreck you can possibly see. God, my eyes). General point: one piece, unless you're 13 or under, at a bar actively watching the game, or at the stadium. But really, what do I care? Live and let live for people who aren't being purposefully harmful. Just so you know, I'm ten times the athlete at 42 than you ever were. Just saying. I do appreciate the generalization about New Englanders as if that had anything to do with this conversation.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2019 11:57:44 GMT
For clarity, wearing sports clothing is very common in Pittsburgh. It's not because everyone is 'rah rah rah go team' all the time but it's just fashionably common year round. It's normal to see someone in a Steeler jersey at a grocery store in mid april with no football game in sight. First of all, glad a Pittsburgh fan can take a joke on this board. And yeah I don't have a problem with wearing team apparel year round, I just think it's goofy when entire families get decked out from head to toe while they're on vacation. And it isn't exclusive to Steelers fans, I've seen fans of other teams including Pats fans pull this and I always think it looks a little silly.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2019 12:06:44 GMT
I've never been a jersey guy, I've always thought wearing a jersey with another guy's name on the back is kind of weird. I used to wear Red Sox caps, but I'm not much of a hat guy so not so much anymore. A t-shirt with a team's logo is about enough for me. I don't see the need to advertise who I root for, hang out with me for awhile and you'll find out who my teams are. It's funny about the Red Sox, 20 years ago if I saw someone wearing Red Sox gear out here in California, I would start a conversation with them, which would always be pretty cool and a nice reminder of where I came from and why I love Boston sports. I've had very good friendships develop simply because the other person was wearing a Sox hat. Unfortunately, that has changed significantly in the last 10 years. I swear, now most folks around here that wear Sox gear have absolutely no idea about the history of the team or any of it's great players. I bring up guys like Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst, hell even Dwight Evans, and they look clueless. That might be a frontrunner thing or a generational type of thing, but it's gotten so annoying that I no longer bring that stuff up anymore. Plus, out here there are lots of Pats fans simply because of the Brady success and nothing else. Ask these folks about Sam Cunningham and they look lost in space. Yeah bandwagon fans come with the territory, but we're also not getting any younger. Hell, ask a 20 year old Red Sox fan about Nomar and they're not going to have much to say.
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Post by tristramshandy on Oct 1, 2019 13:08:51 GMT
Every fuckwad Chowd in San Diego: Red Sox hat while wearing Brady jersey (nobody else, because, they're Patriots fans and they didn't even know what football was before 2001 and because they're boney little leprechauns who have zero athletic ability between all six states of them, so they can't play a lick except for at Salve Regina) - - to the restaurant, to the supermarket, to church, to the beach (Chowds at the beach: biggest car wreck you can possibly see. God, my eyes). General point: one piece, unless you're 13 or under, at a bar actively watching the game, or at the stadium. But really, what do I care? Live and let live for people who aren't being purposefully harmful. Just so you know, I'm ten times the athlete at 42 than you ever were. Just saying. I do appreciate the generalization about New Englanders as if that had anything to do with this conversation. A) No you weren't. B) You know next to nothing about me. C) Your post was as much a dig versus Steelers fans than anything that has to do with wearing apparel. D) There are more quarterbacks from Pittsburgh and its environs in the Hall of Fame than there are New Englanders at any position. Chowds are good at some things; sports is not one of them.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 1, 2019 14:09:25 GMT
Just so you know, I'm ten times the athlete at 42 than you ever were. Just saying. I do appreciate the generalization about New Englanders as if that had anything to do with this conversation. A) No you weren't. B) You know next to nothing about me. C) Your post was as much a dig versus Steelers fans than anything that has to do with wearing apparel.
D) There are more quarterbacks from Pittsburgh and its environs in the Hall of Fame than there are New Englanders at any position. Chowds are good at some things; sports is not one of them. No it wasn't, you only saw it that way because you're a fucking loser. Notice Marv took it in stride. I continued the conversation on apparel with multiple posters that never mentioned Steelers fans. And you should read my post again, I didn't use the past tense. I remain superior to whatever you thought you were. Get a fucking life, keyboard warrior.
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