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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 4, 2019 2:59:24 GMT
I really don't know what the masculine psychological counterpoint would be. Probably not ego, because a certain amount of ego can be attractive and there really are no rules here.
But there are so many interesting female characters in the movies that are definitely hysteria bound. From a distance, from a very long distance, hysteria can appear quite interesting. I love actresses having good meltdown scenes. And I think hysteria is in some way connected to sexual repression, and that is not something that is associated with the masculine persona (give me some good Jungian terminology any time!), so I wonder if maybe sexual violence might come close. Not rape necessarily. Just the attitude behind the need for a certain kind of sexual gratification.
Was Jack Nicholson the hysterical type in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"? I think maybe he was a bit. At the very least, MacMurphy was super hyper. And his character was obviously uber horny. But I loved him in that movie.
Who else? John Hurt? Christopher Walken?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 4, 2019 3:22:22 GMT
Hysteria can be passive, as in religious mass consciousness about certain beliefs, or can be brazen and exposed and people lose sense of rational and become unreasonable. I see it as a triggering effect of some sort that would set a person off.
McMurphy in Cuckoo's had anger\rage in him which he was good at suppressing, but when that cold and calculating see you next Tuesday pushed his buttons he exploded. In this instance, Ratchet's personality was composed and stealthily vigilant and she wouldn't give much away of herself, because she wasn't a generous and warm person. I couldn't imagine her ever being hysterical because she was all about control, especially regarding others. Is rage of the sort like McMurphy expressed really hysteria, because in a way his anger was justified? I see genuine hysteria as being irrational and just plain losing the plot due to some deep insecurity.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 4, 2019 3:37:29 GMT
Hysteria can be passive, as in religious mass consciousness about certain beliefs, or can be brazen and exposed and people lose sense of rational and become unreasonable. I see it as a triggering effect of some sort that would set a person off. McMurphy in Cuckoo's had anger\rage in him which he was good at suppressing, but when that cold and calculating see you next Tuesday pushed his buttons he exploded. In this instance, Ratchet's personality was composed and stealthily vigilant and she wouldn't give much away of herself, because she wasn't a generous and warm person. I couldn't imagine her ever being hysterical because she was all about control, especially regarding others. Is rage of the sort like McMurphy expressed really hysteria, because in a way his anger was justified? I see genuine hysteria as being irrational and just plain losing the plot due to some deep insecurity. Ahhh... well, Toasted Cheese, thank you for your thoughtful response. You answered all my questions and about four questions that I didn't even know I had. Yes, MM (notice how those initials keep popping up as of late? Hmmm...) had rage and he was able to keep it in check with sly humor. NR was truly the see-you-next-tuesday template and gave nothing of herself. In the book, she has big breasts and MM rips her uniform down the front at climactic scene and exposes her suppressed sexuality. Awesome. But that part you said about hysteria being passive at times is absolutely fascinating to me. There was this movie that I cannot remember for the life of me, but I think maybe it was a Spanish surreal horror flick by Alexander Jodorowsky (sp?) called "Sante Sangre" where these super intense, guilt ridden nuns whip their own back into a frenzy, leaving bloody pelts and healing for a week so they can start the whole horrifying process all over again. At the best job I ever had, the assistant library director was this C-U-N-T type who totally had it in for me. She despised my sexuality, which I have never been much good at cloaking and so what? It wasn't just me, some of my fellow librarians referred to MRS. KAREN MAKI as the "ice queen". (she was even named after a fish! Ha! Love that bit of, what, irony... ?) And that is her real name and I would love for her to be exposed and for me to be the reason for it. She was actually quite evil in her dislike for me -- thin, drawn lips, narrow, slitted eyes and all... My own direct boss, however, was the best boss I could have ever asked for. She was a gem. I just loved her.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 4, 2019 3:40:08 GMT
Hysteria can be passive, as in religious mass consciousness about certain beliefs, or can be brazen and exposed and people lose sense of rational and become unreasonable. I see it as a triggering effect of some sort that would set a person off. McMurphy in Cuckoo's had anger\rage in him which he was good at suppressing, but when that cold and calculating see you next Tuesday pushed his buttons he exploded. In this instance, Ratchet's personality was composed and stealthily vigilant and she wouldn't give much away of herself, because she wasn't a generous and warm person. I couldn't imagine her ever being hysterical because she was all about control, especially regarding others. Is rage of the sort like McMurphy expressed really hysteria, because in a way his anger was justified? I see genuine hysteria as being irrational and just plain losing the plot due to some deep insecurity. Toasted Cheese, would you say that the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction" had some sort of hysteria disorder?
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Post by gameboy on Oct 4, 2019 4:11:04 GMT
I probably don't need to point out that hysteria comes from the Greek word for "womb". So it is a feminine word. Odd that the concept is so closely tied to women. But males can be frenzied or can panic.
I'd be curious to see what the ladies think.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 4, 2019 4:33:48 GMT
I probably don't need to point out that hysteria comes from the Greek word for "womb". So it is a feminine word. Odd that the concept is so closely tied to women. But males can be frenzied or can panic. I'd be curious to see what the ladies think. Ahhh...yes, hysterectomy. But when men panic, isn't it usually due to some external threat -- that is something, more or less, physical, i.e., warfare? In other words, I have never seen a movie where a male character had to be slapped hard across the face in order to get him to come back to his senses. But if you can name a couple male movie characters where they deploy the usual elements of feminine hysteria, I would be very interested in hearing your POV, gameboy.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 4, 2019 5:21:23 GMT
Hysteria can be passive, as in religious mass consciousness about certain beliefs, or can be brazen and exposed and people lose sense of rational and become unreasonable. I see it as a triggering effect of some sort that would set a person off. McMurphy in Cuckoo's had anger\rage in him which he was good at suppressing, but when that cold and calculating see you next Tuesday pushed his buttons he exploded. In this instance, Ratchet's personality was composed and stealthily vigilant and she wouldn't give much away of herself, because she wasn't a generous and warm person. I couldn't imagine her ever being hysterical because she was all about control, especially regarding others. Is rage of the sort like McMurphy expressed really hysteria, because in a way his anger was justified? I see genuine hysteria as being irrational and just plain losing the plot due to some deep insecurity. Toasted Cheese, would you say that the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction" had some sort of hysteria disorder? She was irrational and psychotic, so I would say yes. The beauty of Close’s performance, is that she made her character sympathetic in a pathetic sense.
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Post by gameboy on Oct 4, 2019 5:26:27 GMT
I probably don't need to point out that hysteria comes from the Greek word for "womb". So it is a feminine word. Odd that the concept is so closely tied to women. But males can be frenzied or can panic. I'd be curious to see what the ladies think. Ahhh...yes, hysterectomy. But when men panic, isn't it usually due to some external threat -- that is something, more or less, physical, i.e., warfare? In other words, I have never seen a movie where a male character had to be slapped hard across the face in order to get him to come back to his senses. But if you can name a couple male movie characters where they deploy the usual elements of feminine hysteria, I would be very interested in hearing your POV, gameboy. Honestly, I can't think of a male character in a movie who gets hysterical and cries and puts on a lot of emotional drama. I'll think about it, but not one comes to mind immediately.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 4, 2019 5:38:26 GMT
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 4, 2019 7:26:07 GMT
I probably don't need to point out that hysteria comes from the Greek word for "womb". So it is a feminine word. Odd that the concept is so closely tied to women. But males can be frenzied or can panic. I'd be curious to see what the ladies think. Yes, makes a lot of sense, but the tie in with womb and then irrationality to come to what is known as hysteria is intriguing. Is it saying that life is hysteria.
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Post by ᵗʰᵉᵃᵘˣᵖʰᵒᵘ on Oct 4, 2019 11:02:47 GMT
I automatically associate the term hysterical with women, usually when they self-delete from forums, out of the blue. gameboy knows what I’m talking about. |
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Post by gameboy on Oct 4, 2019 15:37:10 GMT
I automatically associate the term hysterical with women, usually when they self-delete from forums, out of the blue. gameboy knows what I’m talking about. I forgot about that, the HYSTERICAL SELF DELETIONS!!! One female does it and then 5 more self delete that night. The dumb broads are still doing it. 
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 4, 2019 15:55:32 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 4, 2019 15:57:00 GMT
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 5, 2019 1:19:55 GMT
Toasted Cheese, would you say that the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction" had some sort of hysteria disorder? She was irrational and psychotic, so I would say yes. The beauty of Close’s performance, is that she made her character sympathetic in a pathetic sense. The scene where the Close character is sitting by herself on the floor, listening to the Madame Butterfly soundtrack and flicking the lamp on and off, so sad and so lost, it just really bothers me. I feel so sad for her. I don't think there could have been any hope for her happiness no matter what help she got. She was doomed. I think the movie is half way excellent and half way slick commercialism. The original ending with her committing suicide was so much more fitting than the second, monster movie ending they went with. If not a lot more depressing. But Close was so great in that role and really deserved the Oscar that year. And certainly over Cher! (who's not a bad actress, but didn't deserve the Oscar)
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 5, 2019 1:51:39 GMT
No. How many women are running the WH or the Republican Party now?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 5, 2019 1:55:21 GMT
Ahhh...yes, hysterectomy. But when men panic, isn't it usually due to some external threat -- that is something, more or less, physical, i.e., warfare? In other words, I have never seen a movie where a male character had to be slapped hard across the face in order to get him to come back to his senses. But if you can name a couple male movie characters where they deploy the usual elements of feminine hysteria, I would be very interested in hearing your POV, gameboy. Honestly, I can't think of a male character in a movie who gets hysterical and cries and puts on a lot of emotional drama. I'll think about it, but not one comes to mind immediately. I guess you never watched Glenn Beck.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 5, 2019 5:04:22 GMT
She was irrational and psychotic, so I would say yes. The beauty of Close’s performance, is that she made her character sympathetic in a pathetic sense. The scene where the Close character is sitting by herself on the floor, listening to the Madame Butterfly soundtrack and flicking the lamp on and off, so sad and so lost, it just really bothers me. I feel so sad for her. I don't think there could have been any hope for her happiness no matter what help she got. She was doomed.
I think the movie is half way excellent and half way slick commercialism. The original ending with her committing suicide was so much more fitting than the second, monster movie ending they went with. If not a lot more depressing. But Close was so great in that role and really deserved the Oscar that year. And certainly over Cher! (who's not a bad actress, but didn't deserve the Oscar) If Dan wasn't married, I wonder if it would have worked out with them. Was she only triggered because of the fling they had and she knew she couldn't, or shouldn't have really had him? Or was she going to be psycho regardless, even if they had gotten together? That is what I like about the movie, because while she was the more irrational one, Dan was also responsible for his actions and not really a good guy in the equation.
I don't like the alternate\original ending. No excitement and a bit flat and bland. The one they went with was a suitable choice and gave a much better payoff...."You stupid selfish bitch!". That Beth blew her away was fitting in the scheme of things.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 5, 2019 17:49:22 GMT
The scene where the Close character is sitting by herself on the floor, listening to the Madame Butterfly soundtrack and flicking the lamp on and off, so sad and so lost, it just really bothers me. I feel so sad for her. I don't think there could have been any hope for her happiness no matter what help she got. She was doomed.
I think the movie is half way excellent and half way slick commercialism. The original ending with her committing suicide was so much more fitting than the second, monster movie ending they went with. If not a lot more depressing. But Close was so great in that role and really deserved the Oscar that year. And certainly over Cher! (who's not a bad actress, but didn't deserve the Oscar) If Dan wasn't married, I wonder if it would have worked out with them. Was she only triggered because of the fling they had and she knew she couldn't, or shouldn't have really had him? Or was she going to be psycho regardless, even if they had gotten together? That is what I like about the movie, because while she was the more irrational one, Dan was also responsible for his actions and not really a good guy in the equation.
I don't like the alternate\original ending. No excitement and a bit flat and bland. The one they went with was a suitable choice and gave a much better payoff...."You stupid selfish bitch!". That Beth blew her away was fitting in the scheme of things.
The ending they went with was more exciting and tense, and the crowd I saw it with, of totally course, was into it and everybody clapped, of course, when Beth killed Alex. The audience got what they wanted. That's basically why I said half way excellent, half way slick: the movie had a great subject with the Alex Forrest character. And when you get to see the pain and loneliness in her, she is a fascinating character. with potential to be even more. But with the boiled bunny rabbit and her kidnapping the creepy kid I thought it was ridiculous. It seemed like it was whole different movie. They kinda turned her into Jason Voorhees in a blonde wig. Those "not really dead" scenarios are as annoying and blah as they are predictable. But there was no way they were going to have the so-called villain of the piece get off with something as anti-climatic and unthrilling as suicide. Everybody would have left the theater feeling like they got gypped. The original ending was perhaps not satisfying in the same way, but it seemed much, much more realistic and dark and somber and thought-provoking. That ending didn't seem like it would have been out of an American movie, either. (maybe the early-mid 70s American movie) Too brooding and pessimistic. But walking out of the theater I would have been thinking about the movie in a whole different way than what the movie ultimately gave. I thought the original ending was horrifying.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 5, 2019 17:50:49 GMT
No. How many women are running the WH or the Republican Party now? I don't pay attention much to politics, for better or for worse, but I've always thought that DT was a loose cannon. I can't think of a better way to describe him.
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