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Post by janntosh on Oct 4, 2019 10:52:58 GMT
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 4, 2019 11:19:33 GMT
This may be a stupid question, But what does it mean "Not cinema"? is he saying they are not movies ?
Because they clearly are movies.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 4, 2019 11:20:55 GMT
McDonald's is to food as Marvel is to _______
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Post by darksidebeadle on Oct 4, 2019 11:41:59 GMT
Fair
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 4, 2019 12:32:21 GMT
Some people can't connect with sci-fi or fantasy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 4, 2019 12:45:05 GMT
There is no context to that quote at all.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Oct 4, 2019 12:45:59 GMT
Is Irish Man meant to be his superhero movie?
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Post by ck100 on Oct 4, 2019 12:51:21 GMT
Maybe he just means they're not movies of great depth and are more like product. That they don't show off the power of cinema in terms of things like cinema verte or something like that.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Oct 4, 2019 13:01:07 GMT
Superhero movies are the Westerns of today, that guys like Scorsese and Spielberg grew up watching and adoring. Not every one of them was The Searchers or High Noon, most were just mass-produced assembly line studio products, made on the cheap for mass consumption. I respect the hell out of Marty, but he's missing the mark on this one.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 4, 2019 13:09:17 GMT
He shouldn't be coming out in public saying that but I admire his courage.
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Post by Xcalatë on Oct 4, 2019 13:21:52 GMT
Superhero movies are the Westerns of today, that guys like Scorsese and Spielberg grew up watching and adoring. Not every one of them was The Searchers or High Noon, most were just mass-produced assembly line studio products, made on the cheap for mass consumption. I respect the hell out of Marty, but he's missing the mark on this one. this 100%
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Post by THawk on Oct 4, 2019 17:18:56 GMT
OP can post his actual quote:
“I don’t see them. I tried, you know? But that’s not cinema. Honestly, the closest I can think of them, as well made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances, is theme parks. It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.”
It's an interesting observation, but I strongly disagree. The exact reason why I am a big fan of Marvel is not just because of the sci fi but precisely because I connect with some of the characters through an "emotional, psychological experience." If I were not able to do that, I would not like the Marvel films as much, it's that simple. Admittedly, it doesn't hurt that I read the graphic novels as well, and so in my mind the often deeper meaning in book form reflects upon my movie watching experience.
And to spin it the other way around - I have tried but heavily failed to find an "emotional, psychological experience" and connection with almost all of Scorsese's gangster movies, themes and characters. Fine movies in other aspects they may be, but they have not worked for me in that way.
With that said, Scorsese is still a brilliant filmmaker and some of his best movies (my favorite movies from him to be more exact) have indeed achieved that "emotional, psychological experience," in a more impactful way than almost any other director. The Last Temptation of Christ, The King of Comedy, Taxi Driver, Silence. He is one of my top favorites and his greatness is undisputed. But I just strongly disagree with his opinion here.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Oct 4, 2019 17:30:20 GMT
I wonder how Scorsese feels about DC Movies.
The reason why is because his friend Robert De Niro is in "JOKER" and isn't that DC ?
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Post by koskiewicz on Oct 4, 2019 17:35:24 GMT
cinema verite; a type of cinema that stresses unbiased realism.
This is from the American Heritage dictionary. I would suggest that this is what Scorsese was referring to. Super hero films are clearly a genre of cinema.
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Post by johnspartan on Oct 4, 2019 17:56:26 GMT
He's right. Most of these new superhero movies are dumb and most of you are dumb for consuming them mindlessly without critical thought.
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Post by DarkManX on Oct 4, 2019 17:56:41 GMT
I bet all hell has broken out over this on the Marvel board.
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Post by Caesar Roberto on Oct 4, 2019 17:58:52 GMT
Good. Hopefully this educates some people out there.
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Post by 博: Dr.BLΔD€ :锯 on Oct 4, 2019 18:32:26 GMT
Wow.
I must really thank Marty and some of you posters.
The fact that he has stated that he doesn't like Marvel movies, and opined that they are not cinema, and the subsequent pearls of posts, has given a moment of clarity and made me realise how dumb i am and need educating....perhaps to more boob orientated or miserable gangster films.
I am going to stop liking and mindlessly consuming Marvel fims now, post haste.
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 4, 2019 18:54:43 GMT
I'm not a fan of most of these superhero films, and I agree that they are for the most part the "Western" of the 21st century, but I don't think I could handle another Scorsese gangster film. Geez.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 4, 2019 20:14:15 GMT
Although this isn't anything new, but a problem with comic book/superhero films are how they're so overly commercial and unnecessarily omnipresent. But when done right, they have fascinating characterizations and edge-of-your-seat set pieces.
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