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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 11, 2019 1:37:30 GMT
It may not have had the spectacle of Endgame because it's cheaper but it's story and it's acting and intensity were a whole lot better. Agreed. Definitely better than Endgame. You cannot compare the two at all, the comparison can only start and end by being comic book movies. They share nothing in common narrative wise and are too visually different to warrant a comparison on which was the better movie. You might as well compare The Shining to Jurassic Park while you're at it because they're both based on books.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 11, 2019 1:38:06 GMT
Endgame was terrible retcon movie with the laziest plot device "time travel" Infinity War and Endgame basically copied season 2 of Legends of Tomorrow. In Legends of Tomorrow, Reverse-Flash and his Legion of Doom acquire the powerful Spear of Destiny, which was split into 3 parts. After Reverse-Flash acquires the spear, the Legends travel back in time to prevent Reverse-Flash from getting the spear and to restore reality. In Infinity War and Endgame, Thanos acquires the powerful Infinity Stones, which consists of 6 stones. After Thanos acquires the stones, the Avengers travel back in time to prevent Thanos from getting the stones and to reset everything. My goodness do you ever read before you click to post?
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Post by merh on Oct 12, 2019 7:21:12 GMT
My kid hated this analogy But it's like Bernie Sanders is an independent. Then he wants to run for president so he runs as a Democrat because it would be much harder to run as an independent. The basics of Joker ISN'T Batman. It is mental illness & how it is treated in society. I do not ever remember Thomas Wayne being portrayed as a "let them eat cake" robber barron sort of guy. Class warfare. This movie is only DC to get the fanboy moneyYou know that this criticism can be made to the entire MCU? No. I have loved Thor & Cap since the 60s. Up to Endgame, Marvel did pretty well capturing them on the big screen.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 12, 2019 19:16:01 GMT
You know that this criticism can be made to the entire MCU? No. I have loved Thor & Cap since the 60s. Up to Endgame, Marvel did pretty well capturing them on the big screen.
People have loved the Joker for a long time. He's one of the most popular DC characters. . By your logic if this is DC trying to get the fanboy money, then the entire MCU is just Marvel trying to get the fanboy money.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 12, 2019 21:16:04 GMT
No. I have loved Thor & Cap since the 60s. Up to Endgame, Marvel did pretty well capturing them on the big screen.
People have loved the Joker for a long time. He's one of the most popular DC characters. . By your logic if this is DC trying to get the fanboy money, then the entire MCU is just Marvel trying to get the fanboy money.
No! Joker is only DC for fanboy money because the movie has nothing to do with the comic source material. The MCU on the other hand is a largely faithful adaptation of the comic universe. MCU is not misrepresenting itself as something it is not by calling itself Marvel..
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 12, 2019 21:16:34 GMT
It's not a comic book movie and it's not better than Endgame.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 12, 2019 23:05:42 GMT
People have loved the Joker for a long time. He's one of the most popular DC characters. . By your logic if this is DC trying to get the fanboy money, then the entire MCU is just Marvel trying to get the fanboy money.
No! Joker is only DC for fanboy money because the movie has nothing to do with the comic source material. The MCU on the other hand is a largely faithful adaptation of the comic universe. MCU is not misrepresenting itself as something it is not by calling itself Marvel..
The fact that has nothing to do with the comic source material is irrelevant. Batman 89 is very different from the souce material. Is that for fanboys? Is World War Z for fanboys because it was different from the source material?
For the record, I'm not arguing that the MCU is for fanboys. I'm just arguing one can apply the same logic to the MCU. I mean the MCU with all it's easter eggs and connections... Isn't that the definition of fanservice? Both the MCU and the Joker were made to make money... Saying one is for fanboys while another is not, is ridiculous.
The Joker movie was always presented as a "elseworlds" stand alone type of story. Is the Elseworld imprint in the DC comics for fanboys?
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 12, 2019 23:16:20 GMT
Endgame was terrible retcon movie with the laziest plot device "time travel" Infinity War and Endgame basically copied season 2 of Legends of Tomorrow. In Legends of Tomorrow, Reverse-Flash and his Legion of Doom acquire the powerful Spear of Destiny, which was split into 3 parts. After Reverse-Flash acquires the spear, the Legends travel back in time to prevent Reverse-Flash from getting the spear and to restore reality. In Infinity War and Endgame, Thanos acquires the powerful Infinity Stones, which consists of 6 stones. After Thanos acquires the stones, the Avengers travel back in time to prevent Thanos from getting the stones and to reset everything. Rex Reed, is that you?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 12, 2019 23:22:43 GMT
No! Joker is only DC for fanboy money because the movie has nothing to do with the comic source material. The MCU on the other hand is a largely faithful adaptation of the comic universe. MCU is not misrepresenting itself as something it is not by calling itself Marvel..
Saying one is for fanboys while another is not, is ridiculous.
No one is saying that. You miss the entire point. It's obvious that the people who made "Joker" had no intention of making a DC comics movie but WB made them change some names and add some clown makeup and stick "DC" in the credits in order to get DC fanboys to come to the movie. That's what some people are objecting to. Phoenix and others involved in making the film have practically said as much in interviews.
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Post by James on Oct 12, 2019 23:35:29 GMT
Yeah, I can understand that perspective. For me I like Endgame more, but in terms of storytelling I think this did its job a bit better.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 13, 2019 0:05:15 GMT
It may not have had the spectacle of Endgame because it's cheaper but it's story and it's acting and intensity were a whole lot better. Agreed. Definitely better than Endgame. Not that your opinion matters, since you're just an MCU hating troll no matter what they put out. If Joker was an MCU movie, you'd give it 1/10.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 13, 2019 20:47:49 GMT
Well, they were trying to be different things. One a large scale epic tying up a 20+ film franchise, which it succeeded at with flying colors. The other a Scorsese-esque character study about poverty, mental illness, fame, society, the human condition, all these things...some done better than others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 21:30:16 GMT
Agreed. Definitely better than Endgame. Not that your opinion matters, since you're just an MCU hating troll no matter what they put out. If Joker was an MCU movie, you'd give it 1/10. and he'd say, it cant even be original. Had to copy king of comedy and taxi driver
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 15, 2019 11:46:43 GMT
Saying one is for fanboys while another is not, is ridiculous.
No one is saying that. You miss the entire point. It's obvious that the people who made "Joker" had no intention of making a DC comics movie but WB made them change some names and add some clown makeup and stick "DC" in the credits in order to get DC fanboys to come to the movie. That's what some people are objecting to. Phoenix and others involved in making the film have practically said as much in interviews. The poster I was responding too said that Joker was made to get the DC fanboy money while the MCU wasn't. It's not like they wrote the script to the story and decided to slap DC names and brand to get the money from fans. It was always envisioned as more grounded and outside the DCEU continuity about the comic book supervillain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 14:32:40 GMT
Truthfully any mature superhero movie is better than Endgame. Endgame is a great comic movie for kids and people with small minds who can't grasp real mature stories in comic movies. Endgame is a great movie for all ages and I'm pretty sure based on your statements most people on this board are more intelligent than you.
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Post by merh on Oct 21, 2019 6:46:28 GMT
No. I have loved Thor & Cap since the 60s. Up to Endgame, Marvel did pretty well capturing them on the big screen.
People have loved the Joker for a long time. He's one of the most popular DC characters. . By your logic if this is DC trying to get the fanboy money, then the entire MCU is just Marvel trying to get the fanboy money.
Which one? His origins have been changed many times.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 21, 2019 7:48:23 GMT
People have loved the Joker for a long time. He's one of the most popular DC characters. . By your logic if this is DC trying to get the fanboy money, then the entire MCU is just Marvel trying to get the fanboy money.
Which one? His origins have been changed many times. Most characters in comics have had their origins updated or changed. Joker's origins have been ambiguous and that has been one of the characteristics of the character. Even in this movie we can't know for sure what has been real or not. That doesn't change anything from what I've said.
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Post by merh on Oct 21, 2019 8:11:42 GMT
Which one? His origins have been changed many times. Most characters in comics have had their origins updated or changed. Joker's origins have been ambiguous and that has been one of the characteristics of the character. Even in this movie we can't know for sure what has been real or not. That doesn't change anything from what I've said. comicbook.com/dc/2019/04/03/joker-movie-arthur-fleck-name-trolling-ben-affleck/But my issue is it still could be anyone. The fact Thomas Wayne bears a slight resemblance to Ronnie Reagan only bears out the director might have been aiming to make a film about a different issue
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 21, 2019 8:22:45 GMT
Most characters in comics have had their origins updated or changed. Joker's origins have been ambiguous and that has been one of the characteristics of the character. Even in this movie we can't know for sure what has been real or not. That doesn't change anything from what I've said. comicbook.com/dc/2019/04/03/joker-movie-arthur-fleck-name-trolling-ben-affleck/But my issue is it still could be anyone. The fact Thomas Wayne bears a slight resemblance to Ronnie Reagan only bears out the director might have been aiming to make a film about a different issue My issue was with your comment that this movie was made to get DC fanboys money. I just pointed out that you can say the same thing about the MCU. In fact I'd argue that this movie despite doing well seems far less designed to get fanboys money by being rated R and not be part of a cinematic universe.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 21, 2019 10:28:26 GMT
Jokers origin is falling into a vat of chemicals as far as I'm concerned. Anything else is a misrepresention.
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