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Post by Isapop on Oct 7, 2019 17:30:31 GMT
This topic was raised on the Politics board, but it certainly fits here as well. www.foxnews.com/faith-values/christian-doctor-fired-gender-pronoun A doctor in the UK was fired because he wouldn't use the pronouns that his transgender patients prefer. He cited his Christian beliefs as his reason. Think he was a victim of anti-religion bias? I don't. I think his employer was justified in sacking him.
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 7, 2019 17:50:37 GMT
Does the Hippocratic Oath mean nothing to some people?
Ya takes it, ya don'ts fuck about with the rules.
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Post by klandersen on Oct 7, 2019 17:55:48 GMT
Those pronoun things are dangerous and confusing.
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Post by klandersen on Oct 7, 2019 17:58:33 GMT
So what do you call a 6 foot bearded male? Anything they want I guess.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 7, 2019 19:23:31 GMT
I don’t get how this is an issue.
Maybe when filling out forms?
Whenever I meet someone and I can’t tell a gender I use generic pronouns.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2019 19:34:28 GMT
Even if were entertaining the idea of "Biblical morality" as being above law, the Bible doesn't specifically say anything about gender pronouns (or even transgenderism). You could actually make a better argument against treating homosexuals since the Bible explicitly forbids that. Going by his reasoning does he feel he should also be allowed to turn down homosexuals? How about atheist, Muslims, and Jews? Should he be allowed to turn them down because they don't accept his messiah? The Bible makes it very clear ""I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". Again you could make a better Biblical argument for turning them down then using proper pronouns. Hell you could make a better Biblical argument against treating people that eat shell fish. So really that's just not a good argument.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 7, 2019 19:39:32 GMT
I don’t think he’s turning them down just not using the pronouns/gender terms they want him to use.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2019 19:45:32 GMT
I don’t think he’s turning them down just not using the pronouns/gender terms they want him to use. I'm assuming you're refering to my post? I never said anything about turning them down over gender pronouns, I said you could make better Biblical arguments for turning people down over religious beliefes/lifestyle choices than using proper gender pronouns.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 7, 2019 19:52:39 GMT
I don’t think he’s turning them down just not using the pronouns/gender terms they want him to use. I'm assuming you're refering to my post? I never said anything about turning them down over gender pronouns, I said you could make better Biblical arguments for turning people down over religious beliefes/lifestyle choices than using proper gender pronouns. I did but I didn’t want to get into a thing. I think you could make a case for either if that’s your beliefs. However I don’t think there’s a case for anyone to accept the belief beyond you. My personal opinion is this is a nothingburger on both sides as a greedy banker, if someone wanted me to call them Big Baby Jesus, then I will call them that since it has no impact on my beliefs. If, however, I am mandated to believe as society believes, then I would probably routinely be out of a job despite being good at my job. Of course I would never take a job that would contradict my beliefs in the first place. That said I would say there are some very easy workarounds to this unless the transgender in question is being an insistent douche. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 7, 2019 19:58:50 GMT
I'm assuming you're refering to my post? I never said anything about turning them down over gender pronouns, I said you could make better Biblical arguments for turning people down over religious beliefes/lifestyle choices than using proper gender pronouns. I did but I didn’t want to get into a thing. I think you could make a case for either if that’s your beliefs. However I don’t think there’s a case for anyone to accept the belief beyond you. My personal opinion is this is a nothingburger on both sides as a greedy banker, if someone wanted me to call them Big Baby Jesus, then I will call them that since it has no impact on my beliefs. If, however, I am mandated to believe as society believes, then I would probably routinely be out of a job despite being good at my job. Of course I would never take a job that would contradict my beliefs in the first place. That said I would say there are some very easy workarounds to this unless the transgender in question is being an insistent douche. "I think you could make a case for either if that’s your beliefs." I suppose you could make a Biblical argument against using proper gender pronouns if you really extrapolated certain passages I suppose ("So God created man in his own image"), but that wasn't my argument. My point was you could much better Biblical arguments for certain discrimination if he's seriously gonna use the "But muh religious beliefs!" excuse, so that's just really not a good argument to begin with.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 7, 2019 20:03:10 GMT
I did but I didn’t want to get into a thing. I think you could make a case for either if that’s your beliefs. However I don’t think there’s a case for anyone to accept the belief beyond you. My personal opinion is this is a nothingburger on both sides as a greedy banker, if someone wanted me to call them Big Baby Jesus, then I will call them that since it has no impact on my beliefs. If, however, I am mandated to believe as society believes, then I would probably routinely be out of a job despite being good at my job. Of course I would never take a job that would contradict my beliefs in the first place. That said I would say there are some very easy workarounds to this unless the transgender in question is being an insistent douche. "I think you could make a case for either if that’s your beliefs." I suppose you could make a Biblical argument against using proper gender pronouns if you really extrapolated certain passages I suppose ("So God created man in his own image"), but that wasn't my argument. My point was you could much better Biblical arguments for certain discrimination if he's seriously gonna use the "But muh religious beliefs!" excuse, so that's just really not a good argument to begin with. religious beliefs in and of themselves is never a good reason unless there’s an institution behind it. In the States, if I refuse something on the basis of my beliefs I have to provide proof of that. That is why I would be going to prison if I ever got drafted. Otherwise you’re just a religion of one and free speech and religious freedom are complex enough without making opinion a protected right. I’m not sure if any particular church is forbidding the use of pronouns as the transgender sees fit. |
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 7, 2019 21:48:02 GMT
Be aware that PC or political correctness is a right-wing created term used only when conservative politics and/or beliefs are called out in order to either change the subject or to claim to be victimized by this non-existent PC.
If the doctor insists on applying outdated and insulting terms to his patients, then that doctor is a right-extremist and should not be in a position to work with the public. What must he be thinking about other patients from African ancestry or of the Muslim religion. He probably thinks of them in insulting terms as well. That is what conservatives do.
As for using religion as an excuse, well, that's just the latest dodge that wingers are using to try to justify their bigotry. I believe in the U.K. as well as in the U.S., the right of a citizen NOT to be discriminated against overrides a bigot's "right" to discriminate.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 7, 2019 23:10:19 GMT
That said I would say there are some very easy workarounds to this unless the transgender in question is being an insistent douche. Are there? OK, you've got a transgendered man who wants the doctor to use "Mr." when referring to him, just the same as that doctor uses "Mr." to refer his other male patients. The doctor refuses. What easy workaround must that patient have to accept so that he is not an insistent douche?
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