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Post by FilmFlaneur on Oct 10, 2019 17:27:46 GMT
If the content that the OP has posted is correct then it doesn't seem like much of a discussion to me. Saying that Allah is the one true God is part of the Shahada: how a person becomes a Muslim. To say that Muslims have more faith than Christians, if not in a discussion, is wrong. If that was reversed and they said that Christians have more faith than Muslims, you can bet there would be a huge outcry in the press. Saying that Allah is the one true God violates Christianity. Never the less it is true that Muslims say that they worship the same God as Christians and the Jews - something Cody has been told before. And some Jews and Christians accept this.
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Post by maya55555 on Oct 10, 2019 17:48:29 GMT
Tell me why are they pushing an Islamic agenda? Tell me why you are such a gullible moron first.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 10, 2019 18:07:35 GMT
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your answer. Could you put it in plain unambiguous terms for simple folk like me? We go to post secondary school to train for careers, do we not. At post secondary schools (both college & university levels), there are a wide, wide variety of career choices. If satanism should be a religious choice in the public spectrum, then so should criminal activities be in the public spectrum, in the education industry. Your own negative opinion of a religion (whether it's the Church Of Satan or some other) couldn't keep it out of a prayer rotation when the state is not allowed to favor one religion over another. Better for the public schools to just dispense with the organized prayers altogether, and leave praying a private matter.
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Post by clusium on Oct 10, 2019 18:41:20 GMT
We go to post secondary school to train for careers, do we not. At post secondary schools (both college & university levels), there are a wide, wide variety of career choices. If satanism should be a religious choice in the public spectrum, then so should criminal activities be in the public spectrum, in the education industry. Your own negative opinion of a religion (whether it's the Church Of Satan or some other) couldn't keep it out of a prayer rotation when the state is not allowed to favor one religion over another. Better for the public schools to just dispense with the organized prayers altogether, and leave praying a private matter. That's what they do today (at least here in the GTA).
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Post by general313 on Oct 10, 2019 18:49:35 GMT
So you don’t see it as a problem for a Christian to be obligated to recite the Islamic declaration of faith which endorses a distinct false pagan god and an antichrist false prophet who denied the death, burial and resurrection of Christ? Granted it was odd to suggest that Muslims had more faith if that version is accurate, but the error was not life altering in any way. If fervency is an indicator of strength of faith, it's not unreasonable to assume that Muslims have more of it, at least these days. It's pretty hard to find a Christian willing to blow themselves up for their cause.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 10, 2019 20:33:22 GMT
Tell me why you are such a gullible moron first. I guess after about the sixth shot of whiskey, one blacks out that one already replied to a comment, eh?
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Post by maya55555 on Oct 10, 2019 20:55:07 GMT
After you tell me why you are a talking turd. I guess after about the sixth shot of whiskey, one blacks out that one already replied to a comment, eh?
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Post by gadreel on Oct 10, 2019 20:58:20 GMT
After you tell me why you are a talking turd. I guess after about the sixth shot of whiskey, one blacks out that one already replied to a comment, eh? Sadly she is naturally like this.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 10, 2019 23:15:10 GMT
And a Muslim is not Christian. The belief that is held onto by either religion is of course going to claim that their belief is the only true and valid one. It is just belief and non-existent, except in the deluded mind of the beholder. False equivalence, dummy. A Muslim professing that Jesus is God and saviour and died for his sins and rose again is more comparable. Stop being so obtuse, it is your narrow-sighted and biased pov that is being debated with you. This is not a false equivalency, when you claim belief in your religion is the only true one, when the other side also makes the same claim. Neither has any solid, logical or reasonable evidence to back it up. Both sides of this confounded religious conflicted coin are dummies.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 10, 2019 23:19:24 GMT
How does being a Satanist, make one comparable to criminal behavior though? Satanism is an ideal, like any belief of religion, criminality is born out of attitude and behavior. That said, religious beliefs can have criminality attached to the belief. Satanism is about rejecting what traditional religion deems as good. Criminality is about disobeying --even rejecting--anything or perhaps even everything that is legal. That doesn't make those that are Satanists criminal. That is what you have been implying.
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Post by clusium on Oct 10, 2019 23:49:46 GMT
Satanism is about rejecting what traditional religion deems as good. Criminality is about disobeying --even rejecting--anything or perhaps even everything that is legal. That doesn't make those that are Satanists criminal. That is what you have been implying. Not in terms of general secular society. More along the terms spirituality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 23:53:14 GMT
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews worshipped the same God.
So I don't see what this kid's problem is.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 11, 2019 0:00:04 GMT
That doesn't make those that are Satanists criminal. That is what you have been implying. Not in terms of general secular society. More along the terms spirituality. Criminality is also a term to describe something that has also gone corrupted, legality or not. Light and Dark merge and become one and the same. Too much extremity from either end of the spectrum will ultimately fail. A Satanist does not necessarily have to be bad just by choice of belief, anymore than being a Christian makes one necessarily good or spiritual in the holistic sense.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 11, 2019 0:03:03 GMT
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews worshipped the same God.
So I don't see what this kid's problem is. I think this is where the problem does stem from, because it becomes about a conflict for practice and superiority of belief over the other, when it all boils down to the same core belief. The rest is all just a conundrum of confounded stuff and nonsense.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 11, 2019 0:58:06 GMT
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews worshipped the same God. So I don't see what this kid's problem is. They don’t worship the same god or else the god would be the same. This is irrelevant to the lesson though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 1:48:19 GMT
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews worshipped the same God. So I don't see what this kid's problem is. They don’t worship the same god or else the god would be the same. This is irrelevant to the lesson though. They are the same God. Jews have the Old Testament. Christians have the Old and New Testament. Muslims have both Testaments and the Koran. The lesson was probably about respect. Something lacking in a lot of places.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 11, 2019 2:04:32 GMT
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews worshipped the same God. So I don't see what this kid's problem is. This is irrelevant to the lesson though. At the end of the day, it all still boils down to a belief in God. It doesn't matter if differences are seen, because they don't really exist anyway, can't be proven and neither does this supreme God thing that is worshiped, regardless of religion.
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 11, 2019 5:37:37 GMT
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews worshipped the same God. So I don't see what this kid's problem is. They don’t. |
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 11, 2019 5:40:32 GMT
They don’t worship the same god or else the god would be the same. This is irrelevant to the lesson though. They are the same God. Jews have the Old Testament. Christians have the Old and New Testament. Muslims have both Testaments and the Koran. The lesson was probably about respect. Something lacking in a lot of places. No Yahweh and Allah are clearly distinct entities. For example the God of the bible is a spirit whereas the Islamic Allah isn’t. |
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Post by basmaticathury on Oct 11, 2019 5:51:07 GMT
I'm perplexed as to why the teacher did not discuss Prophet Mohammad's bloody campaigns of slicing off heads and genitals in order to spread his deity. Hell, Mohammad's enslavement of Sub-Saharan Africans and war prizes of sex slaves would have been a sufficient lesson about such a prophet admired by Muslims today.
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