|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 22:38:11 GMT
Looks like Batman surpassed Spider-Man once again. Batman is the biggest-selling comic book superhero in the world. In terms of comic books sold. Said that, his movies surpass Spider-Man's again. Total gross of the Batman movies:$4,992,988,243 + The Lego Movie (2014)$469,160,692 (he was the only leading superhero of the movie) + $746.8 million Suicide Squad (no superheroes; Batman is featured; depicting Joker and Harley Quinn, as well as other popular Bat-villains like Deadshot) + $657.9 million Justice League (Batman as main character, Wonder Woman as co-lead; Superman as secondary character. Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg at that point still not having solo movies) + Joker 1,71 billion dollars. www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/15/box-office-joker-tops-1-billion/No superheroes. Depicting the biggest archenemy of Batman as lead. Featuring the Waynes and both the origin stories of Joker and Batman. + Birds of Prey200 million dollars (budget: 80 million dollars). Again, a movie featuring Harley Quinn and other Batman-related characters, set in Gotham City. When you think of Spider-Man, Avengers movies don't count at all for so many reasons.
|
|
|
Post by merh on Oct 13, 2019 22:50:23 GMT
Joker isn't a Batman movie. Bruce Wayne is not Batman in this one.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 22:52:05 GMT
Joker isn't a Batman movie. Bruce Wayne is not Batman in this one. Bruce Wayne is Batman. Joker is a Bat-villain and there are no (other) superheroes in this film. It's a 100% Bat-movie.
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 13, 2019 22:53:11 GMT
Lol if Joker counts as Batman then Avengers should count as Spider-Man.
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 13, 2019 22:54:59 GMT
Joker isn't a Batman movie. Bruce Wayne is not Batman in this one. Bruce Wayne is Batman. Joker is a Bat-villain and there are no (other) superheroes in this film. It's a 100% Bat-movie. Good luck finding anyone else who agrees with that.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 22:56:12 GMT
Birds of Prey and The Batman will do the rest.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 22:58:10 GMT
Lol if Joker counts as Batman then Avengers should count as Spider-Man. You can see the movie as an origin story of Batman. Bruce Wayne is featured, as well as his father. The Joker is the archenemy of Batman. He's not a standalone superhero. They never did a movie on Vulture, Electro or Green Goblin. That's a fact. They would be Spider-movies as well.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 23:01:35 GMT
Avengers movies feature other Superheroes which had solo movies long time before Spidey:
Before 'Civil War':
Iron Man Captain America Ant-Man
Spider-Man's role in Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 was glorified cameo. Maybe he had more relevance on #3, but not that much.
|
|
|
Post by James on Oct 13, 2019 23:06:00 GMT
I wouldn’t say Joker is part of the Batman franchise, despite being a DC property with characters from that brand.
Same with Suicide Squad, although that does feature him in a handful of scenes.
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 13, 2019 23:07:16 GMT
Avengers movies feature other Superheroes which had solo movies long time before Spidey: Before 'Civil War': Iron Man Captain America Ant-Man Spider-Man's role in Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 was glorified cameo. Maybe he had more relevance on #3, but not that much. Batman’s role in Joker was non-existent. Bruce Wayne’s role in Joker was glorified cameo.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 23:09:13 GMT
I wouldn’t say Joker is part of the Batman franchise, despite being a DC property with characters from that brand. Catwoman (The Catwoman from the Burton movies appear on a picture) Suicide Squad (Batman appears) Joker (there's Bruce Wayne and the movie is about THE archenemy of Batman) Birds of Prey They are all part of the Batman franchise. Even Justice League is part of it. Batman is the primary lead character, Superman is the secondary character - Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg had no solo movies at that point.
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 13, 2019 23:09:48 GMT
I wouldn’t say Joker is part of the Batman franchise, despite being a DC property with characters from that brand. Exactly. The movie Joker is another universe. They will never make a sequel with that Joker vs Batman. Batman is irrelevant in the universe of that Joker.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 23:10:47 GMT
Avengers movies feature other Superheroes which had solo movies long time before Spidey: Before 'Civil War': Iron Man Captain America Ant-Man Spider-Man's role in Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 was glorified cameo. Maybe he had more relevance on #3, but not that much. Batman’s role in Joker was non-existent. Bruce Wayne’s role in Joker was glorified cameo. It doesn't matter. The movie features NO superheroes. The movie focuses on the archenemy of Batman. It's a Bat-movie. Thomas Wayne is one of the characters. Bruce Wayne is on it, as well as his origin.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 23:11:45 GMT
I wouldn’t say Joker is part of the Batman franchise, despite being a DC property with characters from that brand. Exactly. The movie Joker is another universe. They will never make a sequel with that Joker vs Batman. Batman is irrelevant in the universe of that Joker. There are many Bat-universes, as well as Spider-universes. Raimi, Webb, MCU and so on...
|
|
|
Post by James on Oct 13, 2019 23:12:05 GMT
I wouldn’t say Joker is part of the Batman franchise, despite being a DC property with characters from that brand. Exactly. The movie Joker is another universe. They will never make a sequel with that Joker vs Batman. Batman is irrelevant in the universe of that Joker. I see it the same way as Venom (2018) is to Spider-Man. He’s an anti-hero so it would only be fair to let it be its own thing.
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 13, 2019 23:13:09 GMT
Exactly. The movie Joker is another universe. They will never make a sequel with that Joker vs Batman. Batman is irrelevant in the universe of that Joker. There are many Bat-universes, as well as Spider-universes. Raimi, Webb, MCU and so on... Batman is irrelevant in the universe of Joker (2019), therefore it’s a Joker-movie not a Bat-movie.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 23:13:15 GMT
Exactly. The movie Joker is another universe. They will never make a sequel with that Joker vs Batman. Batman is irrelevant in the universe of that Joker. I see it the same way as Venom (2018) is to Spider-Man. He’s an anti-hero so it would only be fair to let it be its own thing. Venom is a standalone superhero at this point. Spider-Man doesn't appear. Venom has no Spider-powers anymore.
|
|
|
Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 13, 2019 23:14:44 GMT
There are many Bat-universes, as well as Spider-universes. Raimi, Webb, MCU and so on... Batman is irrelevant in the universe of Joker (2019), therefore it’s a Joker-movie not a Bat-movie. Batman is not irrelevant. Thomas and Bruce matter. Joker is Bruce's brother in this universe. A sequel is a possibility.
|
|
|
Post by James on Oct 13, 2019 23:15:25 GMT
I wouldn’t say Joker is part of the Batman franchise, despite being a DC property with characters from that brand. Catwoman (The Catwoman from the Burton movies appear on a picture) Suicide Squad (Batman appears) Joker (there's Bruce Wayne and the movie is about THE archenemy of Batman) Birds of Prey They are all part of the Batman franchise. Even Justice League is part of it. Batman is the primary lead character, Superman is the secondary character - Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg had no solo movies at that point. I mean that’s your opinion. If you want to include all of them, more power to you. I might agree with JL to some extent since he plays a far more centric role in that than in Joker or SS, but that’d be like saying that Avengers is an Iron Man movie.
|
|
|
Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 13, 2019 23:16:08 GMT
Batman is irrelevant in the universe of Joker (2019), therefore it’s a Joker-movie not a Bat-movie. Batman is not irrelevant. Thomas and Bruce matter. Joker is Bruce's brother in this universe. A sequel is a possibility. Yeah Batman vs 70 year old Joker, that seems like a possibility.
|
|