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Post by yearspew on Apr 16, 2017 22:17:00 GMT
I remember when Robert Zemeckis announced that he wasn't going to let anyone do a sequel or a remake of Back to the Future, some website posted an article titled "Sorry BTTF Fans, the originals will have to do ... for now." So of course many fans replied angrily why they imply that it's a bad thing that no sequel or remake will be made. Fans DO NOT want any more movies added to the trilogy, it's perfect the way it is.
And the counter-argument is: "The new generations deserve their own updated version of the movie."
Are they saying that modern audiences are physically incapable of watching a movie from the 80s?
Another common statement is: "I love the characters, I want to see more of them." I personally don't care for this because it could backfire and we end up with another Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Dumb and Dumber To.
So, what do you think? Are you usually open to sequels/remakes? Do you agree that every generation should have an updated version of a beloved movie?
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 16, 2017 22:27:20 GMT
Sequels - because they love the charaters.
Remakes - I don't know.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Apr 16, 2017 22:38:00 GMT
i need Hellboy 3.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 16, 2017 23:24:30 GMT
I'd say if the potential is there, go for it.
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Post by Jerk on Apr 16, 2017 23:25:19 GMT
Sequels and series are not restricted to the movies. Books, music, TV shows. And remakes can work as reinterpretations if they are done right.
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Post by chalk2 on Apr 17, 2017 0:33:13 GMT
I don't mind sequels if they are good scripts. Remakes have become a pain. It's as if original thought has died.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Apr 17, 2017 5:18:15 GMT
Sometimes it's really the industry that expressed more interest in churning out more sequels and remakes, especially to successful beloved media, rather than the fans that demanded for one.
I think sequels can work half of the time if the potentials are there for one and are necessary enough to add onto the series. 'Delayed sequels', as I liked to call them, like the Dumb and Dumber to example you had brought up are a bit questionable. I mean, delayed sequels can also work half of the times for the same reasons that I stated in the first sentence. Especially if a series had a pending sequel stuck in development hell for a while. Case in point: look at movies like Tron: Legacy, Toy Story 3, MIB 3, and Mad Max: Fury Road. Ghostbusters 3 was almost going to be this until Harold Ramis' death and then got revamped into a 2016 reboot. While other kinds of delayed sequels (Dumb and Dumber to, Zoolander 2, Bad Santa 2, MBFGW 2, Blare Witch) felt like they're just kind of there to cash in on nothing more than being a nostalgic reunion flick, and aren't really that necessary.
Remakes are where they become a little issue for me. On one hand, remakes can work if the potentials are actually there for one and felt there's something in the old material that could get greatly improve on, rather than just introducing a modern/updated version of the source. Remakes like The Fly (1986) and Pete's Dragon (2016) falls into the former case while ones like Psycho (1998) and Robocop (2014) falls into the latter case. Unfortunately, it's mostly the latter scenario that became more excessive and that remake fatigue of beloved classics is no secret. You rarely hear of movies like 'Manos: The Hands of Fate' getting a legit horror remake it may deserved than how you often hear about another remake of a 80s classic on the way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 5:23:46 GMT
Last time I checked, we've been retelling King Arthur and Robin Hood for hundreds of years. Why do people still act like this is a name thing? Even William Shakespeare's works were either romanticized versions of real events or direct remakes of other works.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 5:32:17 GMT
I'm all about sequels as long as they're not just straight up rehashing of the previous movie in a different place. For example Hangover sequels. The first one was awesome and then 2 and 3 were just the same thing but in Bangkok and then back to Vegas. Comedies seem to be the biggest victims of that which is why I tend to cringe when a comedy film that I enjoyed gets a sequel. I still haven't seen Anchorman 2 for this very reason.
In terms of remakes, I'm for it as long as the remake can in some way improve on the original. The Psycho remake that was shot for shot remake of Hitchcocks I don't understand. That isn't giving this generations own version of it. It's just using the original with different actors and in color. That seems insulting to me. I don't support the idea of everything these days needs a remake for the sake of remaking it. But something like 'IT' I'm into the remake of it. I never saw the original and for me when I first got exposed to it as a teenager it looked really dumb to me. However that 'IT' trailer that came out, has me 100% excited to see it. Even to the extent that if I enjoy it I'll gladly go back and watch the original Tim Curry version.
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Post by itsthatguyme on Apr 21, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
I remember when Robert Zemeckis announced that he wasn't going to let anyone do a sequel or a remake of Back to the Future, some website posted an article titled "Sorry BTTF Fans, the originals will have to do ... for now." So of course many fans replied angrily why they imply that it's a bad thing that no sequel or remake will be made. Fans DO NOT want any more movies added to the trilogy, it's perfect the way it is. And the counter-argument is: "The new generations deserve their own updated version of the movie." Are they saying that modern audiences are physically incapable of watching a movie from the 80s? Another common statement is: "I love the characters, I want to see more of them." I personally don't care for this because it could backfire and we end up with another Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Dumb and Dumber To. So, what do you think? Are you usually open to sequels/remakes? Do you agree that every generation should have an updated version of a beloved movie? Most Kids don't usually watch movies that are "'old " it's just how it is. Given the current $ agenda of the world, Hollywood takes less risks and chances about making $ these days. Which is why there is very little originality these days and you see so many remakes and sequels.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 15:18:04 GMT
I want more of them when I do because:
(1) I love what I've gotten so far--the characters, tone, sorts of stories, etc.,
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(2) I typically like almost all sequels and remakes. The sequels and remakes that I don't like are very few and far between. So for my tastes, it's a very good gamble.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Apr 21, 2017 15:20:29 GMT
I'm all about sequels as long as they're not just straight up rehashing of the previous movie in a different place. For example Hangover sequels. The first one was awesome and then 2 and 3 were just the same thing but in Bangkok and then back to Vegas. Comedies seem to be the biggest victims of that which is why I tend to cringe when a comedy film that I enjoyed gets a sequel. I still haven't seen Anchorman 2 for this very reason. In terms of remakes, I'm for it as long as the remake can in some way improve on the original. The Psycho remake that was shot for shot remake of Hitchcocks I don't understand. That isn't giving this generations own version of it. It's just using the original with different actors and in color. That seems insulting to me. I don't support the idea of everything these days needs a remake for the sake of remaking it. But something like 'IT' I'm into the remake of it. I never saw the original and for me when I first got exposed to it as a teenager it looked really dumb to me. However that 'IT' trailer that came out, has me 100% excited to see it. Even to the extent that if I enjoy it I'll gladly go back and watch the original Tim Curry version. Yeah, the Psycho remake I didn't really care for because it seemed pretty pointless to me. With something like It, I haven't seen the remake yet, but I pretty much hate the original miniseries, yet I like the book, and I like Stephen King's writing and Stephen King films in general. So I'm definitely interested in it. It would have to be something very unusual for it to not be better than the original miniseries in my opinion.
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Post by brownstones on Apr 21, 2017 15:29:04 GMT
I can understand sequels, because you loved those characters and that world, so you want to see them again. Kind of like TV.
With remakes.......idk, I guess if the original doesn't necessarily fit in modern context, not that it doesn't hold up, but if it's too entrenched in its decade. Sort of like Dawn of the Dead.
Or if there's a film that either doesn't fully translate, or if you want to add your own twist for a different audience, like The Departed.
However it's difficult to actually see which films could benefit from being remade, for example Oldboy......the original I think transcends its origins, so the remake was probably unnecessary (I have it, but have yet to see the remake), or a film like Vertigo, it holds up as well as it did all those years ago.
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Post by ruiner420 on Apr 21, 2017 17:38:16 GMT
I don't have an issue with either one, and kinda see both of them the same. They're both just trying to capitalize on previous success.
Don't give up the fight for truly independent cinema!
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Post by Flynn on Apr 21, 2017 23:23:19 GMT
I remember when Robert Zemeckis announced that he wasn't going to let anyone do a sequel or a remake of Back to the Future, some website posted an article titled "Sorry BTTF Fans, the originals will have to do ... for now." So of course many fans replied angrily why they imply that it's a bad thing that no sequel or remake will be made. Fans DO NOT want any more movies added to the trilogy, it's perfect the way it is. And the counter-argument is: "The new generations deserve their own updated version of the movie." Are they saying that modern audiences are physically incapable of watching a movie from the 80s? Another common statement is: "I love the characters, I want to see more of them." I personally don't care for this because it could backfire and we end up with another Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Dumb and Dumber To. So, what do you think? Are you usually open to sequels/remakes? Do you agree that every generation should have an updated version of a beloved movie? I spent my formative years in the '80s (8-18), and one thing I feel is different about then and now is that teens (and people in general) were more likely to watch older movies and TV shows. Cable was new, and channels like TBS and USA showed predominantly older titles. It was the programming of older films on those channels that first made me aware of Errol Flynn. TBS, I think, would frequently play Prince and the Pauper and Adventures of Robin Hood, among others. I never really gave black and white movies a second thought. They were the same as modern movies. As another poster said, most kids today rarely watch older films. Some do, so I don't want to generalize, but the vast majority don't, and so I think releasing new versions of old familiar titles becomes appealing to studio heads. As for BTTF, I hope they never make a new installment. For one thing, it will never be good. Something magical happened in that first film that can't be replicated. They tried twice, and and the results were just okay. The ingredients just happened to come together in such a way as to create something great. For all it's flaws, they were the right flaws at that time. A remake could only be a cash grab, and I do t want to see that With that said, there are some franchises I would like to see more of, like Friday the 13th, Mad Max, and Police Academy, but those series are less about plot than about an environment. An that has a lot of bearing on whether I want a sequel/remake. Plot-heavy movies I don't want to see more of. Light, fun movies I do. It also depends on if the main draw in the originals was due to the charisma and rapport of the actors. If it was, then there's no reason to update it.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 21, 2017 23:36:56 GMT
It isn't the public demanding them, it is the media companies who want the remakes and sequels and will mock and condemn the old (because the media company owners have no attachment to art or culture or history). In the 70s we watched movies from the 1920s and 30s that showed on tv. There were less channels of course, no vcrs, but we weren't disrespectful of the old.
Nowadays we have a disposable culture which is supposed to be rebooted every 5 or 10 years. Culture in collapse mode, at least on the corporate level. I shudder to think the attitude of teachers in schools--they must shun anything written before the 1960s. One time I talked to a writing instructor--smart guy, but he felt nothing written before 1950 mattered. WTF? He was of Chinese heritage, maybe he felt Western literature meant nothing to him, but talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water and the entire maternity ward too.
This is why I say that Transformers 3 commercial "it isn't supposed to be Shakespeare" just shows the total retardation of Hollywood now. Western drama is derived from principles that date as far back as Ancient Greece but come through English theater. Why are movies so simplistic in character and theme? Partly because most filmmakers and writers and the studio heads have never read a real book from before the corporate era. Filmmakers in the 30s, 40s, 50s etc. were raised on literature and theater, not comics and cartoons.
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Post by Commander_Jim on Apr 21, 2017 23:39:03 GMT
Ghostbusters (2016) was WAY better than the original movies.
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Post by medjay on Apr 22, 2017 7:37:47 GMT
It isn't the public demanding them, it is the media companies who want the remakes and sequels and will mock and condemn the old (because the media company owners have no attachment to art or culture or history). In the 70s we watched movies from the 1920s and 30s that showed on tv. There were less channels of course, no vcrs, but we weren't disrespectful of the old. Nowadays we have a disposable culture which is supposed to be rebooted every 5 or 10 years. Culture in collapse mode, at least on the corporate level. I shudder to think the attitude of teachers in schools--they must shun anything written before the 1960s. One time I talked to a writing instructor--smart guy, but he felt nothing written before 1950 mattered. WTF? He was of Chinese heritage, maybe he felt Western literature meant nothing to him, but talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water and the entire maternity ward too. This is why I say that Transformers 3 commercial "it isn't supposed to be Shakespeare" just shows the total retardation of Hollywood now. Western drama is derived from principles that date as far back as Ancient Greece but come through English theater. Why are movies so simplistic in character and theme? Partly because most filmmakers and writers and the studio heads have never read a real book from before the corporate era. Filmmakers in the 30s, 40s, 50s etc. were raised on literature and theater, not comics and cartoons. Comics barely sell, you won't have to worry about that but filmmakers probably read more comics than genpop. Some comics are also excellent outside of the big 2.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 8:39:02 GMT
I don`t really have a problem with sequels or remakes. I mean nobody is forcing you to watch them i assume.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 22, 2017 14:06:45 GMT
They aren't forcing you, but they offer no choice, so your only option is old stuff. If they weren't selfish aholes maintaining a monopoly no one would care, but they have squeezed out competition since the 80s when they swallowed up small fry. The only operation allowed to run is Asylum, which is like a hyper retarded version of Cannon/Charles Band/AIP...
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