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Post by politicidal on Oct 18, 2019 1:08:36 GMT
Not that we don't get middling superhero movies these days (*ahem* Dark Phoenix). But there was a solid three year period where movies like Constantine, Fantastic Four, Elektra, XMEN: The Last Stand, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was the norm. The first Iron Man movie, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, even the Dark Knight, those were rare to come by. I'd rather if we didn't go back to that.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 18, 2019 1:46:06 GMT
For a start, the film-maker’s attempts to label superhero films as corporate entities rather than examples of high art would appear to ignore almost every big-budget, special effects-laden film that has been made since Steven Spielberg’s Jaws and George Lucas’s Star Wars ushered in the blockbuster era in the mid 1970s. That is to wipe a lot of other people’s filmgoing experiences from the history books, purely on the basis of the director’s own view of film as “human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being”.
***yes but those films were closer to George Melies in achievement than a Marvel film. Star Wars, for all its story faults, still provided a visceral experience that had never been done before (the Death Star trench attack).
There is no cinematic envelope pushing with MCU movies. They are unambitious in story and visuals, devoid of a singular vision or even a small group of artists--because corporates make the final decision (although it is true that there was some of that with the 70s spfx films too-and there were many people unimpressed with the visuals of the blockbuster era and felt they were cinematic garbage--Scorsese DID defend Spielberg and Lucas in the late 80s in a Siskel and Ebery interview-saying he loved what they do but couldn't do it himself).
But this is why I say, the best judge of these films should be action directors like Paul Verhoeven or John McTiernan --they are in a better position of expertise to critique the superhero film.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 18, 2019 2:58:52 GMT
There is no backlash. its just the lapdog access Disney media and MCU fans trying to take scorsese down.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 18, 2019 3:00:49 GMT
There is no backlash. its just the lapgod access Disney media and MCU fans trying to take scorsese down. Agreed. There is literally no backlash. |
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Post by thenolan on Oct 18, 2019 3:05:05 GMT
Not that we don't get middling superhero movies these days (*ahem* Dark Phoenix). But there was a solid three year period where movies like Constantine, Fantastic Four, Elektra, XMEN: The Last Stand, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was the norm. The first Iron Man movie, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, even the Dark Knight, those were rare to come by. I'd rather if we didn't go back to that. If you are going to mention marvel movies that are rare and should be compared to batman begins, v for vendetta, the dark knight. its should be X-men 1, Spiderman 2, Logan, DOFP.
The first iron man film was average, generic basic plot. it does look like a theme park. not to mention that was the first mcu movie that has now brought this backlash.
Why are MCU fans so quick to ignore the more mature marvel films not made by Disney?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 3:13:09 GMT
Not that we don't get middling superhero movies these days (*ahem* Dark Phoenix). But there was a solid three year period where movies like Constantine, Fantastic Four, Elektra, XMEN: The Last Stand, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was the norm. The first Iron Man movie, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, even the Dark Knight, those were rare to come by. I'd rather if we didn't go back to that. If you are going to mention marvel movies that are rare and should be compared to batman begins, v for vendetta, the dark knight. its should be X-men 1, Spiderman 2, Logan, DOFP.
The first iron man film was average, generic basic plot. it does look like a theme park. not to mention that was the first mcu movie that has now brought this backlash.
Why are MCU fans so quick to ignore the more mature marvel films not made by Disney?
Who's ignoring them? A lot of us grew up on those films, now we're being told if we like the MCU we can't like both? It's horseshit, man.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 18, 2019 6:44:58 GMT
There is no backlash. its just the lapgod access Disney media and MCU fans trying to take scorsese down. Except there is backlash, and nobody is trying to take Scorsese down most people are just arguing that MCU movies can co-exist alongside other media and be regarded as cinema because at the end of the day it all is, in fact every time you make a make movie no matter how poor or how good, or how rough or pristine, or meaningful or meaningless the fact that it was staged, recorded, and edited together qualifies it as cinema, good or bad a different topic for another day.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 18, 2019 7:00:48 GMT
There is no backlash. its just the lapgod access Disney media and MCU fans trying to take scorsese down. Except there is backlash, and nobody is trying to take Scorsese down most people are just arguing that MCU movies can co-exist alongside other media and be regarded as cinema because at the end of the day it all is, in fact every time you make a make movie no matter how poor or how good, or how rough or pristine, or meaningful or meaningless the fact that it was staged, recorded, and edited together qualifies it as cinema, good or bad a different topic for another day. is that why he slammed marvel movies again?lol
backlash? he gives no rat ass
attacks mcu again
there is no backlash, the more you people try to create one, the more scorsese slams mcu.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 18, 2019 12:16:07 GMT
Not that we don't get middling superhero movies these days (*ahem* Dark Phoenix). But there was a solid three year period where movies like Constantine, Fantastic Four, Elektra, XMEN: The Last Stand, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was the norm. The first Iron Man movie, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, even the Dark Knight, those were rare to come by. I'd rather if we didn't go back to that. If you are going to mention marvel movies that are rare and should be compared to batman begins, v for vendetta, the dark knight. its should be X-men 1, Spiderman 2, Logan, DOFP.
The first iron man film was average, generic basic plot. it does look like a theme park. not to mention that was the first mcu movie that has now brought this backlash.
Why are MCU fans so quick to ignore the more mature marvel films not made by Disney?
reread my post. I said there was a 3 year gap. If you were intelligent and paying attention to the movies I specifically mentioned, you’d notice those movies came out between 2005 and 2008. That was the absolute nadir for the superhero genre, where It seemingly just gave up. Even worse than 1997’s triple crown of Spawn, Steel, and Batman&Robin. And your pseudointellectual posturing cannot change that. Which is why I made sure to mention the good movies that came out that period as well. Because they WERE rare in that period. Until 2008 happened and we got Iron Man and The Dark Knight to breathe new life. The options began to change and the mediocrity that was once commonplace began to subside. We still get shit here and there but it’s no longer the norm but rather the exception. Besides, I identified both DC and Marvel movies that were good or bad in my original post. But you’re too stupid or at least disingenuous to observe that. |
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Post by sostie on Oct 18, 2019 12:44:06 GMT
If you are going to mention marvel movies that are rare and should be compared to batman begins, v for vendetta, the dark knight. its should be X-men 1, Spiderman 2, Logan, DOFP.
The first iron man film was average, generic basic plot. it does look like a theme park. not to mention that was the first mcu movie that has now brought this backlash.
Why are MCU fans so quick to ignore the more mature marvel films not made by Disney?
reread my post. I said there was a 3 year gap. Have you noticed he gave up denying he was summers8 pretty quickly. Personally if I was believed to be someone with that sort of post history (it still makes for hilarious reading) I'd be spending more time denying I was that person, than repeating the same sort of crap with the same level of (mis)understanding
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Post by sostie on Oct 18, 2019 15:51:44 GMT
Except there is backlash, and nobody is trying to take Scorsese down most people are just arguing that MCU movies can co-exist alongside other media and be regarded as cinema because at the end of the day it all is, in fact every time you make a make movie no matter how poor or how good, or how rough or pristine, or meaningful or meaningless the fact that it was staged, recorded, and edited together qualifies it as cinema, good or bad a different topic for another day. is that why he slammed marvel movies again?lol
there is no backlash, the more you people try to create one, the more scorsese slams mcu.
Why do you repost these pointless videos...what does it prove? One video about the statement he made at the LFF (where if you bothered to read/listen to he says films "like Marvel for example" and where he says he admires them) And two videos, with not many views, basically not agreeing with Scorsese. The statement he made at the LFF has been covered in other threads so its not new news. Why bother???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 18:34:34 GMT
Not that we don't get middling superhero movies these days (*ahem* Dark Phoenix). But there was a solid three year period where movies like Constantine, Fantastic Four, Elektra, XMEN: The Last Stand, Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man 3, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was the norm. The first Iron Man movie, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, even the Dark Knight, those were rare to come by. I'd rather if we didn't go back to that. If you are going to mention marvel movies that are rare and should be compared to batman begins, v for vendetta, the dark knight. its should be X-men 1, Spiderman 2, Logan, DOFP.
The first iron man film was average, generic basic plot. it does look like a theme park. not to mention that was the first mcu movie that has now brought this backlash.
Why are MCU fans so quick to ignore the more mature marvel films not made by Disney?
All those films are no different from Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Endgame, Infinity War and Civil War. |
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Post by thenolan on Oct 18, 2019 21:59:01 GMT
If you are going to mention marvel movies that are rare and should be compared to batman begins, v for vendetta, the dark knight. its should be X-men 1, Spiderman 2, Logan, DOFP.
The first iron man film was average, generic basic plot. it does look like a theme park. not to mention that was the first mcu movie that has now brought this backlash.
Why are MCU fans so quick to ignore the more mature marvel films not made by Disney?
All those films are no different from Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Endgame, Infinity War and Civil War. They are different
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Post by thenolan on Oct 18, 2019 21:59:55 GMT
summers8 reread my post. I said there was a 3 year gap. Have you noticed he gave up denying he was summers8 pretty quickly. Personally if I was believed to be someone with that sort of post history (it still makes for hilarious reading) I'd be spending more time denying I was that person, than repeating the same sort of crap with the same level of (mis)understanding Am not summers 8. can we stay on topic. again what backlash? Scorsese is getting support.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 22:08:26 GMT
All those films are no different from Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Endgame, Infinity War and Civil War. They are different Nope they're comic book films pretty much the same. |
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Post by sostie on Oct 18, 2019 23:14:42 GMT
Have you noticed he gave up denying he was summers8 pretty quickly. Personally if I was believed to be someone with that sort of post history (it still makes for hilarious reading) I'd be spending more time denying I was that person, than repeating the same sort of crap with the same level of (mis)understanding Am not summers 8. can we stay on topic. again what backlash? Scorsese is getting support. That's exactly what a summers8 sock would say
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Post by thenolan on Oct 19, 2019 8:22:53 GMT
All those films are no different from Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Endgame, Infinity War and Civil War. The whole body of James Bond films are like the superhero genre. James bond takes CIA, MIA and the Spy genre seriously. most bond films don't look like theme parks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 9:12:40 GMT
The whole body of James Bond films are like the superhero genre. James bond takes CIA, MIA and the Spy genre seriously. most bond films don't look like theme parks. I love James Bond but they started getting silly in and around Thunderball, which is probably my second to third favorite after From Russia with Love. It really started showing in You Only Live Twice. It came out the franchise was suffocating under relying on gadgets for every situation, effectively culminating with Moonraker being raked over the coals for being silly.
They course-corrected the gadget dependency by getting back to Bond's human side in For Your Eyes Only. It did a decent job and the morale boost survived through Octopussy, but it started getting silly again in A View to Kill.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 19, 2019 14:39:41 GMT
The whole body of James Bond films are like the superhero genre. James bond takes CIA, MIA and the Spy genre seriously. most bond films don't look like theme parks. *MI6* dumbass. |
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Post by dazz on Oct 19, 2019 15:46:28 GMT
Except there is backlash, and nobody is trying to take Scorsese down most people are just arguing that MCU movies can co-exist alongside other media and be regarded as cinema because at the end of the day it all is, in fact every time you make a make movie no matter how poor or how good, or how rough or pristine, or meaningful or meaningless the fact that it was staged, recorded, and edited together qualifies it as cinema, good or bad a different topic for another day. is that why he slammed marvel movies again?lol
backlash? he gives no rat ass
attacks mcu again
there is no backlash, the more you people try to create one, the more scorsese slams mcu.
Actually he isn't "slamming" the MCU what he is doing is criticising an entire genre, something obvious by his other complaints that he made alongside the "not cinema" rubbish, such as saying that the "marvel" movies and movie theatres pushing those movies essentially boxed out his movie, now given that the mcu produces at most 3 movies a year, how does a 3 movie a year production box out smaller movies?
Scorsese is rallying against modern movie going and making, he simply says those Marvel movies, because Marvel is the largest brand name in terms of blockbusters, and especially in terms of comic book movies, it's like when someone orders a rum and coke, they don't mean coke, they mean cola, no one spits the drink out and goes wtf that's a rum and pepsi, they may if it's a rum and RC or Panda but that's another issue, they mean cola but say Coke because Coke is the most well known brand, same thing with the MArvel mentions, otherwise you are implying Scorsese is so well aware enough of the differences in these movies he doesn't care for he is what referring to the specific studio, but at the same time not distinguishing them from the former Fox-Marvel films or ongoing Sony-Spidey films? but he's also stupid enough to claim that the 3 movies Marvel produces each year are somehow swallowing up all the theatres all year round?
All of this is also just Marty making excuses as to why he had to go with Netflix for The Irishmen, it's not Marvel or big budget movies fault, it's Scorsese's, he got studio funding initially, $150m but he couldn't keep the film under budget and because despite his skill his movies have never grossed higher than an adjusted amount of $450m, when that budget kept increasing from the already blockbuster amount of $150 they pulled out, so he went to Netflix for $125m and still went $34m over budget, has nothing to do with Marvel and everything to do with him, he's just doing all of this to get free press and try and shift the "blame" for why he had to slum it on a streaming service onto someone else.
You would know this if you didn't already create your own narrative for every topic prior to reading or listening to it you ignorant troll.
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