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Post by scabab on Oct 20, 2019 19:57:26 GMT
It isn't so. James Cameron is the dude who is a master of CGI fest films. For him to hate Infinity War is saying something that this MCU movies are utter trash if the dude behind Avatar and Titanic hates them. He doesn't hate them, the article I posted has the opposite said. "Not that I don’t love the movies." He criticised them but he doesn't hate them.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 20, 2019 20:13:53 GMT
It isn't so. James Cameron is the dude who is a master of CGI fest films. For him to hate Infinity War is saying something that this MCU movies are utter trash if the dude behind Avatar and Titanic hates them. He doesn't hate them, the article I posted has the opposite said. "Not that I don’t love the movies." He criticised them but he doesn't hate them. Summers8/the nolan calls that a "back handed complement" or he has before. Even though that's not what a back handed complement is...
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Post by thenolan on Oct 20, 2019 20:23:23 GMT
He doesn't hate them, the article I posted has the opposite said. "Not that I don’t love the movies." He criticised them but he doesn't hate them. Summers8/the nolan calls that a "back handed complement" or he has before. Even though that's not what a back handed complement is... Wished I had met summers8. Cameron's comments is even a shock to me. What are we learning from CGI game fest kiddie movies like Endgame? Francis is right. We are suppose to learn from cinema. Nolan used his comic movies to make people learn about crime, Many directors used their xmen films to make people learn about prejudice. MCU uses their movies to make us want to spend more on Disney land Orlando. I will pass. I prefer Universal studios anyway. 
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Post by Mutant 77 on Oct 20, 2019 20:25:34 GMT
Summers8/the nolan calls that a "back handed complement" or he has before. Even though that's not what a back handed complement is... Wished I had met summers8. Cameron's comments is even a shock to me. What are we learning from CGI game fest kiddie movies like Endgame? Francis is right. We are suppose to learn from cinema. Nolan used his comic movies to make people learn about crime, Many directors used their xmen films to make people learn about prejudice. MCU uses their movies to make us want to spend more on Disney land Orlando. I will pass. I prefer Universal studios anyway.
Incorrect. Nolan used his Batman films to talk about existence, destiny, dicothomy and the inner struggle of the human nature. All rolled into a three-part epic opus.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 20, 2019 20:28:29 GMT
You see this in all areas of human society, not just movies. Where (some) older people bitch about how younger people do things and claim that their old ways were much better. In the end, it's just some old folks sour-graping that society has moved on from what they (older people) liked and found something they (society) like better.
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Post by dazz on Oct 20, 2019 20:30:43 GMT
So a guy whose most famous movies are about glorifying a man who turns away from his morals and becomes a murderous piece of shit that goes so far to have even his own brother killed, that guy thinks movies where characters start out flawed and work towards being better people and eventually risk their own lives to save the lives of people they don't even know from harm, he thinks they are the ones deserving hatred and contempt? Guys a fucking idiot, the movies the likes of Godfather, Goodfella's, Scarface and so on encouraged so much violence by glorifying the actions of sociopathic pieces of shit, that's something worth hate and contempt, not fucking blockbusters that make people happy ffs, I mean I get if they aren't his type of films but come on, do not go full shit yourself senile Frankie ah bollocks too late he already has.
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Post by hobowar on Oct 20, 2019 20:45:28 GMT
So a guy whose most famous movies are about glorifying a man who turns away from his morals and becomes a murderous piece of shit that goes so far to have even his own brother killed, that guy thinks movies where characters start out flawed and work towards being better people and eventually risk their own lives to save the lives of people they don't even know from harm, he thinks they are the ones deserving hatred and contempt? Guys a fucking idiot, the movies the likes of Godfather, Goodfella's, Scarface and so on encouraged so much violence by glorifying the actions of sociopathic pieces of shit, that's something worth hate and contempt, not fucking blockbusters that make people happy ffs, I mean I get if they aren't his type of films but come on, do not go full shit yourself senile Frankie ah bollocks too late he already has. 
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 20, 2019 20:54:52 GMT
So a guy whose most famous movies are about glorifying a man who turns away from his morals and becomes a murderous piece of shit that goes so far to have even his own brother killed, that guy thinks movies where characters start out flawed and work towards being better people and eventually risk their own lives to save the lives of people they don't even know from harm, he thinks they are the ones deserving hatred and contempt? Guys a fucking idiot, the movies the likes of Godfather, Goodfella's, Scarface and so on encouraged so much violence by glorifying the actions of sociopathic pieces of shit, that's something worth hate and contempt, not fucking blockbusters that make people happy ffs, I mean I get if they aren't his type of films but come on, do not go full shit yourself senile Frankie ah bollocks too late he already has. Ummm we're not talking about a couple hacks here. Those violent movies are universally considered masterpieces by master filmmakers. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 20, 2019 21:13:03 GMT
Fincher would take issue with the company's almost assembly line-like method of making films, with more emphasis often placed on the needs of the brand than on the wants of a particular filmmaker. Cameron: “It’s just, come on, guys, there are other stories to tell besides, you know, hypogonadal males without families doing death-defying things for two hours and wrecking cities in the process,” These criticisms are more constructive and specific---that Disney has an assembly line approach--true---and that the mass marketing of these films is crowding out alternative adventure-action stories. I don't think those are the only problems, but two of the major problems. The lack of interesting action and stale SPFX choreography are also serious lapses. They lack suspense. But obviously Cameron is on shaky ground critiquing franchise films for a lack of variety when he is doing something similar. Hypogonadal... He saying that the men in the Marvel movies aren't manly enough for him? And his movies are all basically remakes or sequels. I wonder, though, if that statement is more about who the movies are about rather than what is in the movies. Maybe he's talking about the leading characters all being men until Captain Marvel. But, at the same time, this is the guy that cried about Wonder Woman in favor of upping Sarah Connor.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 20, 2019 21:13:32 GMT
So a guy whose most famous movies are about glorifying a man who turns away from his morals and becomes a murderous piece of shit that goes so far to have even his own brother killed, that guy thinks movies where characters start out flawed and work towards being better people and eventually risk their own lives to save the lives of people they don't even know from harm, he thinks they are the ones deserving hatred and contempt? Guys a fucking idiot, the movies the likes of Godfather, Goodfella's, Scarface and so on encouraged so much violence by glorifying the actions of sociopathic pieces of shit, that's something worth hate and contempt, not fucking blockbusters that make people happy ffs, I mean I get if they aren't his type of films but come on, do not go full shit yourself senile Frankie ah bollocks too late he already has. Ummm we're not talking about a couple hacks here. Those violent movies are universally considered masterpieces by master filmmakers. Even The Godfather 3?
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Post by dazz on Oct 20, 2019 21:16:13 GMT
So a guy whose most famous movies are about glorifying a man who turns away from his morals and becomes a murderous piece of shit that goes so far to have even his own brother killed, that guy thinks movies where characters start out flawed and work towards being better people and eventually risk their own lives to save the lives of people they don't even know from harm, he thinks they are the ones deserving hatred and contempt? Guys a fucking idiot, the movies the likes of Godfather, Goodfella's, Scarface and so on encouraged so much violence by glorifying the actions of sociopathic pieces of shit, that's something worth hate and contempt, not fucking blockbusters that make people happy ffs, I mean I get if they aren't his type of films but come on, do not go full shit yourself senile Frankie ah bollocks too late he already has. Ummm we're not talking about a couple hacks here. Those violent movies are universally considered masterpieces by master filmmakers. Yes which is why I did not criticise the quality of the films, each of those films I greatly enjoy and wouldn't disregard their quality just because I disagree with the directors current attitudes, the point was he called superhero movies, or maybe just mcu I dunno which, but he said they ad despicable, despicable means worthy of hatred and contempt, why are at worst generic popcorn movies deserving of hatred and contempt? clearly the old fart's lost his mind.
But also as has already been pointed out Scorsese has said he doesn't watch these movies, so he's criticising films he doesn't watch and therefor cannot adequately judge, I haven't watched Joker so I cannot judge it's quality, I have voiced my opinion on what the movie seems to be based of various opinions and reports, but I personally cannot and will not say whether a film is good or bad until I watch it, to do so means my opinion one way or another is worthless because I am not judging the movie I am judging the version I am making in my own head based on the recollection of someone else, and again as said before does anyone believe Coppola has bothered to sit down and watch even a handful of these movies?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 20, 2019 21:16:31 GMT
Hypogonadal... He saying that the men in the Marvel movies aren't manly enough for him? And his movies are all basically remakes or sequels. I wonder, though, if that statement is more about who the movies are about rather than what is in the movies. Maybe he's talking about the leading characters all being men until Captain Marvel. But, at the same time, this is the guy that cried about Wonder Woman in favor of upping Sarah Connor. Right--that also seemed to be McTiernan's problem--and in both cases their films tend to de-emphasize or deconstruct macho-ness. But marvel movies are not macho in any way. The scene in Thor 2 where he smashes that monster was played for laughs.
Fat Thor is not a celebration of masculinity.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 20, 2019 21:31:19 GMT
Hypogonadal... He saying that the men in the Marvel movies aren't manly enough for him? And his movies are all basically remakes or sequels. I wonder, though, if that statement is more about who the movies are about rather than what is in the movies. Maybe he's talking about the leading characters all being men until Captain Marvel. But, at the same time, this is the guy that cried about Wonder Woman in favor of upping Sarah Connor. Right--that also seemed to be McTiernan's problem--and in both cases their films tend to de-emphasize or deconstruct macho-ness. But marvel movies are not macho in any way. The scene in Thor 2 where he smashes that monster was played for laughs.
Fat Thor is not a celebration of masculinity.
The most macho character is probably Drax. And, like you said, it's played for laughs.
I find it funny that he says that they are without families, but their ultimate goals are to stop being heroes and settle down with a family.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 20, 2019 21:31:20 GMT
Wished I had met summers8. Cameron's comments is even a shock to me. What are we learning from CGI game fest kiddie movies like Endgame? Francis is right. We are suppose to learn from cinema. Nolan used his comic movies to make people learn about crime, Many directors used their xmen films to make people learn about prejudice. MCU uses their movies to make us want to spend more on Disney land Orlando. I will pass. I prefer Universal studios anyway.
Incorrect. Nolan used his Batman films to talk about existence, destiny, dicothomy and the inner struggle of the human nature. All rolled into a three-part epic opus. Nolan did a lot more for sure, I will be discussing that soon enough on the right thread. Nolan movies don't look like theme parks though. that a plus.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 20, 2019 21:31:55 GMT
we need a comment from Clint Eastwood
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Post by Mutant 77 on Oct 20, 2019 21:40:18 GMT
Incorrect. Nolan used his Batman films to talk about existence, destiny, dicothomy and the inner struggle of the human nature. All rolled into a three-part epic opus. Nolan did a lot more for sure, I will be discussing that soon enough on the right thread. Nolan movies don't look like theme parks though. that a plus. Yeah. Proper and legit.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 20, 2019 21:47:29 GMT
we need a comment from Clint Eastwood I see it coming. I knew this massive backlash was coming ever since Endgame cheated its way to the number 1 film ever. not only was it embarrassing to comic movies everywhere because it was not one of our intellectual comic films but I saw the signs more when no one said congrats to endgame.
What Scorsese and Francis are troubled about is how brain-ducked this mcu movies are. its almost fascinating to them.
Where's the movie critics though? its not good Francis and Scorsese are doing their jobs.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 20, 2019 21:49:23 GMT
we need a comment from Clint Eastwood our intellectual comic films Lmao what a fucking clown.
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Post by thenolan on Oct 20, 2019 21:54:31 GMT
our intellectual comic films Lmao what a fucking clown. Who is laughing? 
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Oct 20, 2019 22:01:33 GMT
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