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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 20, 2019 20:35:48 GMT
Batman is the biggest-selling comic book superhero in the world. And not only... Total gross of the Batman Movie Franchise:$4,992,988,243 + The Lego Movie (2014)$469,160,692 (he was the only leading superhero of the movie) + $746.8 million Suicide Squad (2016)
No (other) superheroes; Batman appears (and has a cool action scene); featuring Harley Quinn and Deadshot as leads; featuring Joker and Killer Croc. + $657.9 million Justice League: Batman & Wonder Woman (2017)
Batman as main character, Wonder Woman as co-lead. Superman is secondary character. Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg at that point still not having solo movies. + Joker
1,71 billion dollars. www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/15/box-office-joker-tops-1-billion/No superheroes. Depicting the biggest archenemy of Batman as lead. Featuring the Waynes and both the origin stories of Joker and Batman. + Birds of Prey200 million dollars (budget: 80 million dollars). Again, a movie featuring Harley Quinn and other Batman-related characters, set in Gotham City. That's it, guys.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 20, 2019 20:58:40 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, had the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 20, 2019 21:05:46 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, has the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future. People should already make fun of this thread for implying Joker is a Batman movie.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 20, 2019 21:10:53 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, has the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future. People should already make fun of this thread for implying Joker is a Batman movie. I wonder if someone’s going to dig up this thread in 2021 (assuming these forums are still active by then) in honor of a Batman movie and a Spider-Man movie coming out within weeks of each other.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 20, 2019 21:33:42 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, had the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future. No, because the cumulative BATMAN MOVIE FRANCHISE GROSS has already surpassed Spider-Man's. VENOM is not even related to Spider-Man. Venom is an accomplished standalone comic book superhero, and they even stripped him of spider-powers and symbol. So his movie doesn't count. Goodbye, Eddie.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 20, 2019 21:37:43 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, has the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future. People should already make fun of this thread for implying Joker is a Batman movie. 'Joker' is a Batman Franchise movie, more precisely. Said that, the movie features Bruce Wayne, as well as the story of his brother, Arthur Fleck, doomed to be his future archenemy. The setting is Gotham City. I think nobody is making fun of the truth, kid.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 20, 2019 21:44:41 GMT
People should already make fun of this thread for implying Joker is a Batman movie. 'Joker' is a Batman Franchise movie, more precisely. Said that, the movie features Bruce Wayne, as well as the story of his brother, Arthur Fleck, doomed to be his future archenemy. The setting is Gotham City. I think nobody is making fun of the truth, kid. Lol I love how you edited your post to add "kid". What a twat lmao.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 21, 2019 3:45:27 GMT
People should already make fun of this thread for implying Joker is a Batman movie. 'Joker' is a Batman Franchise movie, more precisely. Said that, the movie features Bruce Wayne, as well as the story of his brother, Arthur Fleck, doomed to be his future archenemy. The setting is Gotham City. I think nobody is making fun of the truth, kid. summers8 this your cousin?
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Post by scabab on Oct 21, 2019 4:47:22 GMT
Batman
The seven solo live action Batman movies = $3.71 billion.
Add the animated movies = $4.03 billion.
Add Batman vs Superman = $4.90 billion.
Add Justice League the ensemble movie = $5.56 billion.
Add Suicide Squad where he cameos = $6.31 billion.
Add Joker aka Batman villain = $7.05 billion.
Spider-man
The seven solo live action Spider-Man movies = $5.97 billion.
Add the animated movie = $6.35 billion.
Add the three MCU ensemble movies = $12.35 billion.
Add Venom aka Spider-Man villain = $13.20 billion.
So really it isn't even close. Movies featuring Spider-Man have made far more money than those featuring Batman. Just live action Spider-man movies have made far more money than live action Batman movies.
Or just the most simple comparison is the last Spider-Man movie made far more money than Justice League or Batman vs Superman where Batman had the leader role.
If you were gonna put $200 million into a movie at the moment you'd bet on Spider-Man.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 21, 2019 10:33:52 GMT
BatmanThe seven solo live action Batman movies = $3.71 billion. Add the animated movies = $4.03 billion. Add Batman vs Superman = $4.90 billion. Add Justice League the ensemble movie = $5.56 billion. Add Suicide Squad where he cameos = $6.31 billion. Add Joker aka Batman villain = $7.05 billion. Spider-manThe seven solo live action Spider-Man movies = $5.97 billion. Add the animated movie = $6.35 billion. Add the three MCU ensemble movies = $12.35 billion. Add Venom aka Spider-Man villain = $13.20 billion. So really it isn't even close. Movies featuring Spider-Man have made far more money than those featuring Batman. Just live action Spider-man movies have made far more money than live action Batman movies. Or just the most simple comparison is the last Spider-Man movie made far more money than Justice League or Batman vs Superman where Batman had the leader role. If you were gonna put $200 million into a movie at the moment you'd bet on Spider-Man. Im not comfortable using ensemble movies like Justice League and Endgame/Infinity War. How can you accurately gauge how much influence the audience has towards 1 hero out of 5+ major characters? Endgame only has Spidey showing up for the last 15 minutes for instance. You cant attribute $2billion+ just because of Spidermans cameo.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 21, 2019 12:10:21 GMT
BatmanThe seven solo live action Batman movies = $3.71 billion. Add the animated movies = $4.03 billion. Add Batman vs Superman = $4.90 billion. Add Justice League the ensemble movie = $5.56 billion. Add Suicide Squad where he cameos = $6.31 billion. Add Joker aka Batman villain = $7.05 billion. Spider-manThe seven solo live action Spider-Man movies = $5.97 billion. Add the animated movie = $6.35 billion. Add the three MCU ensemble movies = $12.35 billion. Add Venom aka Spider-Man villain = $13.20 billion. So really it isn't even close. Movies featuring Spider-Man have made far more money than those featuring Batman. Just live action Spider-man movies have made far more money than live action Batman movies. Or just the most simple comparison is the last Spider-Man movie made far more money than Justice League or Batman vs Superman where Batman had the leader role. If you were gonna put $200 million into a movie at the moment you'd bet on Spider-Man. Im not comfortable using ensemble movies like Justice League and Endgame/Infinity War. How can you accurately gauge how much influence the audience has towards 1 hero out of 5+ major characters? Endgame only has Spidey showing up for the last 15 minutes for instance. You cant attribute $2billion+ just because of Spidermans cameo. INDEED. Either Infinity War and Endgame are literally PACKED with popular standalone superheroes who had solo movies before and after the MCU Spider-Man: Captain America Iron Man Hulk Thor Guardians of Galaxy Captain Marvel Ant-Man & Wasp Black Panther Dr. Strange I pretty much know that Spider-Man is a huge kid thing. Nothing wrong with it, even. But the Batman Movie Franchise has SURPASSED the Spider-Man Movie Franchise... by a large margin. Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame and Venom don't count at all, guys. Everyone knows that. You're in denial. Batman is more popular. Nobody's fault, people have chosen. Long time ago...
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Post by scabab on Oct 21, 2019 13:31:26 GMT
Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame and Venom don't count at all, guys. Then neither do Suicide Squad and Joker. So even allowing Justice League and Batman vs Superman where he's aided by other popular superheroes, bringing the total to 9 live action movies he's still made less money than just the 7 live action solo Spider-man movies. Far From Home just made a vast amount more than either of his last two movies. Even the Spider-man video game quickly surpassed Batman Arkham City. Endgame only has Spidey showing up for the last 15 minutes for instance. You cant attribute $2billion+ just because of Spidermans cameo. And Batman was in Suicide Squad for 2 minutes, that was a cameo.
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Post by Caesium137 on Oct 21, 2019 14:39:18 GMT
And Batman was in Suicide Squad for 2 minutes, that was a cameo. But SS at the time was an unknown entity and needed Batmans pull to draw popularity, even if hes in for 5 minutes (which wasnt known before the premiere). Spiderman is going into fully cemented heroes in Civil War and beyond.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 21, 2019 18:04:19 GMT
Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame and Venom don't count at all, guys. Then neither do Suicide Squad and Joker. So even allowing Justice League and Batman vs Superman where he's aided by other popular superheroes, bringing the total to 9 live action movies he's still made less money than just the 7 live action solo Spider-man movies. Far From Home just made a vast amount more than either of his last two movies. Even the Spider-man video game quickly surpassed Batman Arkham City. Endgame only has Spidey showing up for the last 15 minutes for instance. You cant attribute $2billion+ just because of Spidermans cameo. And Batman was in Suicide Squad for 2 minutes, that was a cameo. 'BATMAN v Superman' was centered on Batman and his fight against Superman. It was a Batman movie anyway. Featuring a new Batman. 'Justice League' featured Batman and Wonder Woman as leads. The other characters were supporters who never had a solo movie before JL. Superman appeared on the second half, as deus ex machina. 'Suicide Squad' was PART of the BATMAN MOVIE FRANCHISE. It focused on Batman's villains: Harley Quinn, Joker, Deadshot, Killer Croc. Batman cameo or not, it's a movie belonging to the Bat-Franchise. 'Joker' features Bruce Wayne and the origin story of his biggest archenemy. Joker is not a superhero, Joker is THE BIGGEST ARCHENEMY OF BATMAN (and his brother in this standalone universe). Batman wins over Spidey. That's it, guys. Interesting: Producers Michael Uslan and Benjamin Melniker filed a breach of contract lawsuit in Los Angeles County Superior Court on March 26, 1992. Uslan and Melniker claimed to be "the victims of a sinister campaign of fraud and coercion that has cheated them out of continuing involvement in the production of the 1989 film Batman and its sequels. We were denied proper credits, and deprived of any financial rewards for our indispensable creative contribution to the success of Batman."[9] A superior court judge rejected the lawsuit. Total revenues of Batman have topped $2 billion, with Uslan claiming to have "not seen a penny more than that since our net profit participation has proved worthless."[9] Warner Bros. offered the pair an out-of-court pay-off, a sum described by Uslan and Melniker's attorney as "two popcorns and two Cokes".[10] 2 BILLION DOLLARS.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 21, 2019 18:06:45 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, had the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future. GIVE JOKER THE VENOM SYMBIOTE !!!!12
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 21, 2019 18:17:54 GMT
If Joker doesn’t beat the worldwide gross of Venom (which, to be fair, had the advantage of having been released in China), I have a feeling that people are going to be making fun of this thread in the future. GIVE JOKER THE VENOM SYMBIOTE !!!!12 THE VENOM SYMBIOTE... without any Spider Logo stamped over it
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Post by scabab on Oct 21, 2019 23:35:05 GMT
'Suicide Squad' was PART of the BATMAN MOVIE FRANCHISE. It focused on Batman's villains: Harley Quinn, Joker, Deadshot, Killer Croc. Batman cameo or not, it's a movie belonging to the Bat-Franchise. No, it's part of the DCEU franchise of which Batman has a minor cameo. Civil War is part of the MCU franchise of which Spider-man has a much larger role. If that doesn't count as a Spider-man movie then Suicide Squad doesn't count as a Batman movie. You're taking movies away from one character and giving extra movies to another just so that it can edge it out. Which is telling. Take all the live action and animated Batman movies where he has a leading role. Then do the same thing for Spider-man. Spider-man has made significantly more with two fewer movies, not counting the two minor Batman animated movies that made next to nothing. Batman surpassed Spider-man in theatre from 2008-2012 and then Spider-man took over again since 2017.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 22, 2019 11:53:13 GMT
'Suicide Squad' was PART of the BATMAN MOVIE FRANCHISE. It focused on Batman's villains: Harley Quinn, Joker, Deadshot, Killer Croc. Batman cameo or not, it's a movie belonging to the Bat-Franchise. No, it's part of the DCEU franchise of which Batman has a minor cameo. Civil War is part of the MCU franchise of which Spider-man has a much larger role. If that doesn't count as a Spider-man movie then Suicide Squad doesn't count as a Batman movie. You're taking movies away from one character and giving extra movies to another just so that it can edge it out. Which is telling. Take all the live action and animated Batman movies where he has a leading role. Then do the same thing for Spider-man. Spider-man has made significantly more with two fewer movies, not counting the two minor Batman animated movies that made next to nothing. Batman surpassed Spider-man in theatre from 2008-2012 and then Spider-man took over again since 2017. No way, my friend. "SUICIDE SQUAD" has two leads: Harley Quinn and Deadshot. BOTH are very popular Batman's villains, especially HARLEY QUINN. The movie introduces Batman's biggest archenemy (JOKER) and also features Killer Croc. It's a "Batman Universe Movie", which equals to say that it belongs to the BATMAN FRANCHISE. Pure and simple. "CIVIL WAR" is a Captain America solo movie featuring the AVENGERS. Superheroes. Popular superheroes. Having solo movies. No way. BvS was as much popular as 'Homecoming'. The box office incomes are very similar. The cumulative BATMAN MOVIE FRANCHISE GROSS surpasses Spidey's. Numbers speak loud.
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Post by Martin Brundle - Martinfly on Oct 22, 2019 12:34:55 GMT
The Batman Movie Franchise (so far):
1- Batman (1966) 2- Batman (1989) 3- Batman Returns (1992) 4- Batman Forever (1995) 5- Batman & Robin (1997) 6- Catwoman (2004) 7- Batman Begins (2005) 8- The Dark Knight (2008) 9- The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 10- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) 11- Suicide Squad (2016) 12- Justice League: Batman & Wonder Woman (2017) 13- Joker (2019) 14- Birds of Prey (2020) 15- The Batman (2021) 15- The Suicide Squad (2021)
Live action TV series:
1- Batman (1943) 2- Batman and Robin (1949) 3- Batman (1966-1968) 4- Birds of Prey (2002-2003) 5- Gotham (2014-2019) 6- Titans (2018-2019) 7- Batwoman (2019)
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Post by sostie on Oct 22, 2019 12:47:51 GMT
Rather than a back and forth over whose films should and shouldn't count lets just include the films where Spidey/Bats are the main/title character.
The LEGO Batman Movie Batman: The Killing Joke Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Batman Begins Batman and Robin Batman Forever Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Batman Returns Batman
Worldwide gross $4,910m
Spider-Man: Far from Home Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse Spider-Man: Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 Spider-Man 2 Spider-Man
Worldwide gross $6,350.5
But you actually say in your title "Most Profitable"
Batman Budgets total = $1,164.5m Profit = $3,638.5m
Spider-Man Budgets total = $1,545m Profit = $4,805
So accumulatively Batman has not grossed more money, nor more profit
If you really want I could take into account inflation for all the figures..it'll take time. But do you really want me to? It won't help your argument at all. Trust me, I already checked a few
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