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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 16:00:44 GMT
I'm going to post this one more time. The Patriots win at the same clip against the rest of the NFL as they do against their own division, so your 'weak division' argument is completely invalid. I've never worried about who has the stronger conference because to be the best you have to play the best eventually. Back in the day the Pats shut down the high powered Manning Colts over and over again in the playoffs. They beat co-MVPs' Peyton Manning and Steve McNair twice each during the 2003 season. But I guess that was easy. They beat the 15-1 Steelers in Pittsburgh in the 04 AFC championship game, and the 13-3 Eagles in the Super Bowl, but I guess that was easy. In 2014 they beat the defending Super Bowl champion Seahawks and the league's #1 defense in the Super Bowl; easy. They came back from down 25 points in the second half of the Super Bowl and won, but anyone can do that. They've been to 9 Super Bowls and won 6 of them playing nothing but soft teams the whole time, including playoffs. Look man, I apologize for swearing at you earlier, that was uncalled for. But sooner or later you're going to have to accept the Patriots are a superior organization. You don't have to like them, you can mock their losses and bitch about their wins all you want; I'm a sports fan so I get being tired of a particular team winning. But you look like a schmuck when you constantly make excuses for your team's failures and other teams' success. And 2) They have a relatively easy schedule. B) I am only talking about this year. C) Apology accepted. Thank you for being a classy poster trying to remain civil. I wasn't offended. That happens a lot on these types of social media. And yes, the Patriots are the best NFL organization over the last 10-20 years. If not ever. Regardless. It makes the division argument irrelevant when you look at the numbers over the years and realize they have the same winning percentage against everyone. The numbers show they would do this in any division, because they do it every year against everyone.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 16:12:03 GMT
A) None of that changes these two facts 1) The Patriots reside in a traditionally weak division. And 2) They have a relatively easy schedule. B) I am only talking about this year. C) Apology accepted. Thank you for being a classy poster trying to remain civil. I wasn't offended. That happens a lot on these types of social media. And yes, the Patriots are the best NFL organization over the last 10-20 years. If not ever. Regardless. It makes the division argument irrelevant when you look at the numbers over the years and realize they have the same winning percentage against everyone. The numbers show they would do this in any division, because they do it every year against everyone. I don't agree. Hard schedules beat teams up. If you reside in a division with three playoff teams, it's hard to beat a team twice, much less there times in one year. Look at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati. Look at New Orleans, Carolina and Atlanta. They are not good this year. But they have been competitive more recently than the AFC East. The Saints have played 4 if not 5 playoff teams already. It's probable if the Saints make the playoffs, they will be playing one, or two of those teams again. It makes it harder. Not to mention being forced to play players who are injured because you are fighting for your lives. Instead having the luxury of being able to rest key players because you are all but assured of a division championionship. Last but not least, psychologically there is less pressure week to week. It makes it easier being in a weak division playing an easy schedule. It makes it harder being in a tough division playing a hard schedule. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 16:34:53 GMT
It makes the division argument irrelevant when you look at the numbers over the years and realize they have the same winning percentage against everyone. The numbers show they would do this in any division, because they do it every year against everyone. I don't agree. Hard schedules beat teams up. If you reside in a division with three playoff teams, it's hard to beat a team twice, much less there times in one year. Look at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati. Look at New Orleans, Carolina and Atlanta. They are not good this year. But they have been competitive more recently than the AFC East. The Saints have played 4 if not 5 playoff teams already. It's probable if the Saints make the playoffs, they will be playing one, or two of those teams again. It makes it harder. Not to mention being forced to play players who are injured because you are fighting for your lives. Instead having the luxury of being able to rest key players because you are all but assured of a division championionship. Last but not least, psychologically there is less pressure week to week. It makes it easier being in a weak division playing an easy schedule. It makes it harder being in a tough division playing a hard schedule. You're disagreeing with facts. With results. This isn't my opinion. The Patriots win at the same rate against every division in football. So that means they lose division games, too. The difference is they win more than they lose against every division in football, including their own. The Patriots are famous for not resting key players, they take heat for leaving starters out there in games that are out of hand and when they have the division wrapped up. Maybe you haven't noticed this, but division games are hard in any division because you play each other all the time and know each other's tendencies. And regardless, I have to circle back to their record across all of football. If their success is due to a weak division, why do they have the same winning percentage against all other divisions? Can you explain that? The Patriots are gunning for the #1 seed, not winning their division. Maybe that's what you don't understand; they have loftier goals than just scraping by and making the playoffs. Is there no pressure in trying to attain the #1 seed? I think that's the disconnect here. You clearly don't understand the effort it takes to win, week in and week out, year in and year out. If you did, you wouldn't think a team that's gone to 8 straight AFC championship games didn't have pressure to succeed. Should I be impressed with wins over the Bucs and Jags? Will the Saints be 'fighting for their lives' when they play Atlanta twice later this season?
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 16:57:25 GMT
I don't agree. Hard schedules beat teams up. If you reside in a division with three playoff teams, it's hard to beat a team twice, much less there times in one year. Look at Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati. Look at New Orleans, Carolina and Atlanta. They are not good this year. But they have been competitive more recently than the AFC East. The Saints have played 4 if not 5 playoff teams already. It's probable if the Saints make the playoffs, they will be playing one, or two of those teams again. It makes it harder. Not to mention being forced to play players who are injured because you are fighting for your lives. Instead having the luxury of being able to rest key players because you are all but assured of a division championionship. Last but not least, psychologically there is less pressure week to week. It makes it easier being in a weak division playing an easy schedule. It makes it harder being in a tough division playing a hard schedule. You're disagreeing with facts. With results. This isn't my opinion. The Patriots win at the same rate against every division in football. So that means they lose division games, too. The difference is they win more than they lose against every division in football, including their own. The Patriots are famous for not resting key players, they take heat for leaving starters out there in games that are out of hand and when they have the division wrapped up. Maybe you haven't noticed this, but division games are hard in any division because you play each other all the time and know each other's tendencies. And regardless, I have to circle back to their record across all of football. If their success is due to a weak division, why do they have the same winning percentage against all other divisions? Can you explain that? The Patriots are gunning for the #1 seed, not winning their division. Maybe that's what you don't understand; they have loftier goals than just scraping by and making the playoffs. Is there no pressure in trying to attain the #1 seed? I think that's the disconnect here. You clearly don't understand the effort it takes to win, week in and week out, year in and year out. If you did, you wouldn't think a team that's gone to 8 straight AFC championship games didn't have pressure to succeed. Should I be impressed with wins over the Bucs and Jags? Will the Saints be 'fighting for their lives' when they play Atlanta twice later this season? That prooves nothing. The Pats having the same win rate as teams in tough divisions and hard schedules, just means the Pats skate through an easy schedule and division each year with no pressure. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 17:01:07 GMT
You're disagreeing with facts. With results. This isn't my opinion. The Patriots win at the same rate against every division in football. So that means they lose division games, too. The difference is they win more than they lose against every division in football, including their own. The Patriots are famous for not resting key players, they take heat for leaving starters out there in games that are out of hand and when they have the division wrapped up. Maybe you haven't noticed this, but division games are hard in any division because you play each other all the time and know each other's tendencies. And regardless, I have to circle back to their record across all of football. If their success is due to a weak division, why do they have the same winning percentage against all other divisions? Can you explain that? The Patriots are gunning for the #1 seed, not winning their division. Maybe that's what you don't understand; they have loftier goals than just scraping by and making the playoffs. Is there no pressure in trying to attain the #1 seed? I think that's the disconnect here. You clearly don't understand the effort it takes to win, week in and week out, year in and year out. If you did, you wouldn't think a team that's gone to 8 straight AFC championship games didn't have pressure to succeed. Should I be impressed with wins over the Bucs and Jags? Will the Saints be 'fighting for their lives' when they play Atlanta twice later this season? That prooves nothing. The Pats having the same win rate as teams in tough divisions and hard schedules, just means the Pats skate through an easy schedule and division each year with no pressure. What? Either you're messing with me or you have no idea what that article explains. Well that was one way to kill time, I guess.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 17:15:52 GMT
That prooves nothing. The Pats having the same win rate as teams in tough divisions and hard schedules, just means the Pats skate through an easy schedule and division each year with no pressure. What? Either you're messing with me or you have no idea what that article explains. Well that was one way to kill time, I guess. You are in denial if you cannot admit playing in a tough division and/or a hard schedule is harder than playing in an easy decision and/or an easy schedule. It takes a toll. It makes the post season more difficult. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 17:18:09 GMT
What? Either you're messing with me or you have no idea what that article explains. Well that was one way to kill time, I guess. You are in denial if you cannot admit playing in a tough division and/or a hard schedule is harder than playing in an easy decision and/or an easy schedule. It takes a toll. It makes the post season more difficult. I already proved you're in denial about the irelevance of the Patriots division. You even pretended not to understand what the article says.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 17:26:15 GMT
You are in denial if you cannot admit playing in a tough division and/or a hard schedule is harder than playing in an easy decision and/or an easy schedule. It takes a toll. It makes the post season more difficult. I already proved you're in denial about the irelevance of the Patriots division. You even pretended not to understand what the article says. The articles you posted links to prove nothing. Playing in a tough division and/or a hard schedule is harder than playing in an easy decision and/or an easy schedule.
It takes a toll. It makes the post season more difficult. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 22, 2019 17:29:06 GMT
He has a point. Teams gain confidence with wins. They remain healthy because they get more rest in blowouts or games against bums. No one is denying the Patriots are good. They are easily the best team in the NFL the past 20 years. That is not even a debate. Bill and Brady are the greatest coach QB duo of all time. They are studs. This is obvious, but when the season starts they have already won their division. They have a minimum of 6 games a year where they do not need to really try. They know they are the better team and will win. This does affect the rest of the season, fair or not. The Patriots are 7-0 right now. Put it like this, my Eagles suck right now and have all kinds of problems. They are nowhere near as good as the Patriots on either side of the ball. However, I cannot help but think the Eagles would be, at worst, 5-2 with that schedule. That is at worst. I could easily see them being 6-1 or even 7-0 with that schedule. Think about the attitude in Philly right now and how different this team would be feeling and playing if they were winning.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 17:32:36 GMT
I already proved you're in denial about the irelevance of the Patriots division. You even pretended not to understand what the article says. The articles you posted links to prove nothing. Playing in a tough division and/or a hard schedule is harder than playing in an easy decision and/or an easy schedule.
It takes a toll. It makes the post season more difficult.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 17:36:29 GMT
The articles you posted links to prove nothing. Playing in a tough division and/or a hard schedule is harder than playing in an easy decision and/or an easy schedule.
It takes a toll. It makes the post season more difficult. That proves the Patriots skate through an easy schedule and division every year without even trying. They are fresher, healthier and more confident every post season as a result. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 17:38:05 GMT
He has a point. Teams gain confidence with wins. They remain healthy because they get more rest in blowouts or games against bums. No one is denying the Patriots are good. They are easily the best team in the NFL the past 20 years. That is not even a debate. Bill and Brady are the greatest coach QB duo of all time. They are studs. This is obvious, but when the season starts they have already won their division. They have a minimum of 6 games a year where they do not need to really try. They know they are the better team and will win. This does affect the rest of the season, fair or not. The Patriots are 7-0 right now. Put it like this, my Eagles suck right now and have all kinds of problems. They are nowhere near as good as the Patriots on either side of the ball. However, I cannot help but think the Eagles would be, at worst, 5-2 with that schedule. That is at worst. I could easily see them being 6-1 or even 7-0 with that schedule. Think about the attitude in Philly right now and how different this team would be feeling and playing if they were winning. This isn't about this year, I agree their schedule has been crap this year (though I'll ask you like I keep asking everyone-- who are the good teams they're supposed to be playing? Who have the Saints beaten? Who have the 49ers beaten?) Over the years, the Pats win at the same rate against every division in football. It's hilarious to me that you can acknowledge Belichick is the best coach, and in the same post assume there are six games a year where they think they don't have to try. I wonder why they lose division games if they can win without trying?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 17:39:13 GMT
The Patriots have the same winning percentage against every division in football. It doesn't matter who's on their schedule. This is an established fact. That proves the Patriots skate through an easy schedule and division every year without even trying. They are fresher, healthier and more confident every post season as a result. Ok, you're saying the entire NFL is an easy schedule for the Patriots. That's high praise, even I wouldn't go that far. 
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 17:45:46 GMT
That proves the Patriots skate through an easy schedule and division every year without even trying. They are fresher, healthier and more confident every post season as a result. Ok, you're saying the entire NFL is an easy schedule for the Patriots. That's high praise, even I wouldn't go that far. No. I'm saying the fact that the Patriots are in an easy division makes it easy for them to win a division championship. And the fact that the Patriots have an easy schedule this year means the Patriots will have no problem making the playoffs --- probably with a high seed --- probably with a healthy roster. Teams that have battled for survival against playoff teams are worn out by the post season. The Patriots will be fresh and untested by the time the post season starts. Giving them an advantage. |
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Oct 22, 2019 17:48:38 GMT
The nightmare season that I feared would befall the Bengals has materialized. Marvin Lewis's extended tenure was only a symptom, not the cause. I think I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 18:05:55 GMT
Ok, you're saying the entire NFL is an easy schedule for the Patriots. That's high praise, even I wouldn't go that far. No. I'm saying the fact that the Patriots are in an easy division makes it easy for them to win a division championship. And the fact that the Patriots have an easy schedule this year means the Patriots will have no problem making the playoffs --- probably with a high seed --- probably with a healthy roster. Teams that have battled for survival against playoff teams are worn out by the post season. The Patriots will be fresh and untested by the time the post season starts. Giving them an advantage. AFC East New England 7-0 Buffalo 5-1 (the one loss being to New England) NY Jets 1-5 Miami 0-6 NFC South New Orleans 6-1 Carolina 4-2 Tampa Bay 2-4 Atlanta 1-6 That's quite the impressive division the Saints are in.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 18:09:57 GMT
No. I'm saying the fact that the Patriots are in an easy division makes it easy for them to win a division championship. And the fact that the Patriots have an easy schedule this year means the Patriots will have no problem making the playoffs --- probably with a high seed --- probably with a healthy roster. Teams that have battled for survival against playoff teams are worn out by the post season. The Patriots will be fresh and untested by the time the post season starts. Giving them an advantage. AFC East New England 7-0 Buffalo 5-1 (the one loss being to New England) NY Jets 1-5 Miami 0-6 NFC South New Orleans 6-1 Carolina 4-2 Tampa Bay 2-4 Atlanta 1-6 That's quite the impressive division the Saints are in. I already said the NFC South is not good this year. But compare the Saints schedule to the Pats schedule . . . |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 18:14:29 GMT
AFC East New England 7-0 Buffalo 5-1 (the one loss being to New England) NY Jets 1-5 Miami 0-6 NFC South New Orleans 6-1 Carolina 4-2 Tampa Bay 2-4 Atlanta 1-6 That's quite the impressive division the Saints are in. I already said the NFC South is not good this year. But compare the Saints schedule to the Pats schedule . . . You were just using the Patriots weak division as an excuse. I can have the court reporter read it back to you.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 22, 2019 18:18:22 GMT
I already said the NFC South is not good this year. But compare the Saints schedule to the Pats schedule . . . You were just using the Patriots weak division as an excuse. I can have the court reporter read it back to you. Make sure he reads back the part where I repeatedly told you both weak division and easy schedule . . . |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 22, 2019 18:28:50 GMT
You were just using the Patriots weak division as an excuse. I can have the court reporter read it back to you. Make sure he reads back the part where I repeatedly told you both weak division and easy schedule . . . Love it man, keep going.
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